FarFlungFalang Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 5 minutes ago, rabas said: Lol, you can't be partially related, you either are or you aren't. So, nobody must be a different genetic line of humans. That's why, nobody has so many asymptomatic cases. If I was wholly related to Someone I wouldn't be related to Anybody including one of my parents. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarFlungFalang Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 1 hour ago, SunsetT said: OK, but if it was/is Covid, why hasnt it spread rampantly from these cases? Who is saying it hasn't spread rampantly and how would they know if they don't do genomic testing on every positive result? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Morrison Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 "A Thai gem trader has been found to be infected with the South African strain of COVID-19, the first such case in Thailand, " So as covid-19 ( meaning "Certificate Of Vaccine id -19" ) has decimated Thailand. As new strains may be coming ( covid 20, 21 ,22 etc ) do we start all over again and keep getting vaccines and shutting down countries? Or announce " take vitamin-C, vitamin-D, use common sense and stay home if you have a flu or not feeling well" Announce "We can not control the uncontrollable and shut down our societies"..."Take care of your health as Thailand has lost 80 people to covid19. So out of 70 million Thais. 1 in a million gives you pretty good odds."....try not to be 1 of the 50 or more killed on the roads today. Chok dee. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoshowJones Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 5 hours ago, Jeffr2 said: Congrats to Thailand for catching this case. They're doing a great job here. Sad some like to bash what they are doing. And sad some post misinformation. That doesn't help anything. "They're doing a great job here." Is that the unelected "PM" and his soldiers you are referring to? Are you not aware of who is partly responsible for this wave of the Chinese virus by letting the illegal Burmese workers in to Thailand without quarantine? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesofa Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 4 hours ago, Aussie999 said: Hate to disappoint you, but up Khon Kaen, and Maha Sarakham, way, the locals are saying covid is rampant, they are terrified. Wasn't there one case reported in Maha Sarakham a week or so back? Why do the locals think covid is rampant? Do they have any reliable source that has told them, or is it is perhaps Chinese whispers? (no pun intended) 4 hours ago, Aussie999 said: Maybe, just maybe, we need to see to stats on pneumonia, it seems to be an epidemic, is some provinces. That does sound like a good idea. Wasn't there some info published suggesting this a while back, only for someone to say there was a conspiracy theory that the government were listing these deaths as pneumonia in order to keep the covid figures low? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Madeline Thompson Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 Once the vaccines are available throughout Thailand it means the end of the emergency decree and the absolute power of the current governing body. Announcing a new strain of the Covid-19 virus only creates something new for us to be frightened about. We need to fight that fear otherwise there will endless threats of shutdowns and lockdowns, worldwide. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orton Rd Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 2 hours ago, Jeffr2 said: We need to know the origin in order to perhaps stop these viruses. Not sure about the reference to agent orange, which was a manufactured chemical. Not a virus. Hmmm... we do know, same as the 1918 and 1968 pandemics- China 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ThailandRyan Posted February 15, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted February 15, 2021 2 minutes ago, bluesofa said: Wasn't there one case reported in Maha Sarakham a week or so back? Why do the locals think covid is rampant? Do they have any reliable source that has told them, or is it is perhaps Chinese whispers? (no pun intended) That does sound like a good idea. Wasn't there some info published suggesting this a while back, only for someone to say there was a conspiracy theory that the government were listing these deaths as pneumonia in order to keep the covid figures low? The BBC and New York Times did stories on the excess deaths, the stories then were buried by this Government. Thats all I can say. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SunsetT Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 (edited) 39 minutes ago, FarFlungFalang said: Who is saying it hasn't spread rampantly and how would they know if they don't do genomic testing on every positive result? Because Covid would spread exponentially as in other countries and hospitals would soon be be overflowing and elderly death rates would be soaring. Also Thai and social media would be reporting it widely. It would be impossible to hide. Edited February 15, 2021 by SunsetT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad boy 561 Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 4 hours ago, SwampyThai said: Nope not correct, HIV crossed from chimps to humans in the 1920s in what is now the Democratic Republic of Congo He just wanted to get an anti American dig in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medelline Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 4 hours ago, SwampyThai said: Nope not correct, HIV crossed from chimps to humans in the 1920s in what is now the Democratic Republic of Congo First case and death of hiv /aids was recorded in America, America being America quickly to puss to clean themselves and blame everything to the defenceless one at the end of the day its all spread all over the world because nowobe wanted to be blamed instead of containing it it all spread to the third world and its still spreading right now if Americans wanted to fight and find the cure quickly they could have only wanted to prove its power 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suua Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 48 minutes ago, rabas said: The complete viral pneumonia program in Thailand on a daily basis. Also testing for covid. https://ddc.moph.go.th/viralpneumonia/situation.php In English? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 10 hours ago, webfact said: travelled to an African country before returning to Thailand, more tests were conducted and it was determined that he was infected with the South African variant of the virus. Elementary my dear Watson. Tests positive and comes from Africa, lets do a test on which strain. The more worrying aspect however is that the South African variant is now present in 40 different countries and the UK strain is in 82 countries and rising. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post NoshowJones Posted February 15, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted February 15, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, overherebc said: I go for Wuhuflu. Who says no one is able to call this virus the China or Chinese virus? As long as the forum rules allow it. As far as I 'm concerned, it's the Chinese virus. That is where it came from. Edited February 15, 2021 by possum1931 2 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Suua Posted February 15, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted February 15, 2021 (edited) Take note of the date. A post on TVF last year..... On 3/7/2020 at 11:29 AM, humbug said: these are the tip of the Iceberg, numbers from 'viral pneumonia ' which they hoped could be covered up and not called covid- 19, clearly they are seeing higher levels of infections and cannot hide it any more, last official figure I saw was 3000 and that was nearly two weeks ago My interpretation of Viral Pneumonia infection is people that are very sick that cannot afford the fee for the covid 19 test and are just sent to the village to deal with their situation - in other words abandoned The fact it went from O to 3000 since January should tell us something Edited March 7 by smedLy Edited February 15, 2021 by Suua 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rabas Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 5 minutes ago, Suua said: 53 minutes ago, rabas said: The complete viral pneumonia program in Thailand on a daily basis. Also testing for covid. https://ddc.moph.go.th/viralpneumonia/situation.php In English? Press the English button. Then select 'situation' in the menu bar. Thai version is always up to date, the English version can be 1 to a few days late. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suua Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 22 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said: The BBC and New York Times did stories on the excess deaths, the stories then were buried by this Government. Thats all I can say. Correct, I have the post by 'Dr.turner' a former regular on this forum.....I'll try and dig it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Percy P Posted February 15, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted February 15, 2021 7 hours ago, Fex Bluse said: I just love how nobody is able to call the virus the China virus but everyone is so eager to attribute the strains to specific countries. I'm calling the China Virus. But did it actually start in China.Who not sure. 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThailandRyan Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 5 minutes ago, Suua said: Correct, I have the post by 'Dr.turner' a former regular on this forum.....I'll try and dig it out. If you try and search the web most stories and the numbers they had have disappeared. Even trying to get into the MOPH data base to find those viral pneumonia stats an deaths has been blocked from view. They do not want anyone snooping through their business anymore. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoshowJones Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 1 hour ago, FarFlungFalang said: What say you on their habit of sitting around together for a communal meal where hands a mostly used utensils shared alcohol consumed from a single glass and much loud conversation and merriment?To me this would negate all other contributing factors for the low infection rate and low testing numbers would be a much more plausible reason especially when the Government has said they will not test in large numbers as it's too expensive. Yes, they need the money for submarines and moon rockets, and not to mention their own personal expenses. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rabas Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 25 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said: The BBC and New York Times did stories on the excess deaths, the stories then were buried by this Government. Thats all I can say. IRC, both showed no excess deaths in Thailand. How does the Thai government bury NYT stories? THAILAND --normal-- excess deaths <0 (less than normal) https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/04/21/world/coronavirus-missing-deaths.html 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Stargeezr Posted February 15, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted February 15, 2021 I still call the covid 19, the Wuhan virus, which I also heard in the early days of the virus. If it came from somewhere else, why was there no news of this virus earlier, Huh? Geezer 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Percy P Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 6 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said: If you try and search the web most stories and the numbers they had have disappeared. Even trying to get into the MOPH data base to find those viral pneumonia stats an deaths has been blocked from view. They do not want anyone snooping through their business anymore. Freedom of information, what happened to that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ThailandRyan Posted February 15, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted February 15, 2021 6 minutes ago, rabas said: IRC, both showed no excess deaths in Thailand. How does the Thai government bury NYT stories? THAILAND --normal-- excess deaths <0 (less than normal) https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/04/21/world/coronavirus-missing-deaths.html You see only what you can see Rabas. The stats were there, they have been removed, and the MOPH website for that portion is locked off. We had extensive discussions with this last April, and @DrTuner was one of the people discussing this as well as myself and a few others. Believe what you want, but there is more to the story then you are seeing unfortunately. I lost 3 family member here in Thailand last year during this time period and they died at home and not in the hospitals, no testing was done, they were sent home with meds and after a few weeks passed. Police officer came to the house took some notes and three days later each was cremated in the village. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TKDfella Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 2 hours ago, SunsetT said: Why? All such cases entering legally should and would be detected and prevented from spreading during quarantine which seems to be working very efficiently. Well for a start, the man himself could have infected someone before testing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metisdead Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 A post with content that was copy and pasted from some site without a supporting link has been removed. Some off topic posts, troll posts and the replies have been removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThailandRyan Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 (edited) 27 minutes ago, rabas said: IRC, both showed no excess deaths in Thailand. How does the Thai government bury NYT stories? THAILAND --normal-- excess deaths <0 (less than normal) https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/04/21/world/coronavirus-missing-deaths.html http://deathreport.dcs.moph.go.th/index.htm The entire site now needs a login and password. They locked it off so no one can snoop now. Unless you have access well then please share. กระทรวงสาธารณสุข (moph.go.th) I just tried to open the top link and it can not be found now. To get there you need to navigate the main pages. ระบบรายงานข้อมูลการตาย (moph.go.th) Edited February 15, 2021 by ThailandRyan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarFlungFalang Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 36 minutes ago, SunsetT said: Because Covid would spread exponentially as in other countries and hospitals would soon be be overflowing and elderly death rates would be soaring. Also Thai and social media would be reporting it widely. It would be impossible to hide. Actually since the UK and SA strains have been detected in the US the numbers have been falling and continue to do so.Can you name any country these variants have been introduced that have seen a soaring of infection numbers?The numbers globally have been falling since January 7 this year. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Suua Posted February 15, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted February 15, 2021 (edited) 32 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said: If you try and search the web most stories and the numbers they had have disappeared. Even trying to get into the MOPH data base to find those viral pneumonia stats an deaths has been blocked from view. They do not want anyone snooping through their business anymore. Here is the post.... Sorry for a few missing characters....I used an extract text function on my phone. (I took a snapshot to make sure it stayed with me and couldn't be deleted). The post was 8th September 2020. 6 hours ago, DT'l'uner said: Yes, and excess deaths started around November 2019. All in all something like 6-7.5k excess. It stopped in April when the lockdown was put in place and went under average, as one would guess when mobility is drastically reduced. I did my own analysis of the NYT numbers, which start from 2015: https://github.com/nytimes/covid-19-data/blob/master/excess-deaths/deaths.csv The indicators point to the virus having spread here in late 2019, which makes sense as Thailand was one of the main tourist destinations from China. Nobody noticed until media made it look like ebola on steroids. Interesting! So my evaluation based on BBC is around 5000 from mid of March till mid of May, and yours based on NYT is 6-7.5 totally, starting in November already. Sounds consistent and logic. Both sources at this time still relied on Thai official numbers, as these still were not censored then. Another hint is the high number of pneumonia deaths in Thailand during that time, while they hardly tested anyone, especially not the people who had passed away already. Also I remember around February there was an official order that all information had to be channeled through one governmental office in Bangkok. This is when the censoring finally started, I think. And this was the time when negligence in reporting and low testing eventually was replaced by intenionality. Edited February 15, 2021 by Suua 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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