U.S. Border Patrol arrests 4,500 migrants in a day, a major increase amid fears of surge

[Blue Muton]

5 hours ago, kingdong said:

Don,t know,none of my buisness,the us will pay for it not being built though.

 

Whether or not you make it your business is, of course, up to you, however don't try to kid anybody by pretending that you don't know that Mexico will not pay for any wall.

[kingdong]

5 hours ago, Blue Muton said:

 

Whether or not you make it your business is, of course, up to you, however don't try to kid anybody by pretending that you don't know that Mexico will not pay for any wall.

Merely voicing my opinion,don,t see how i can " make it my business "and to be brutally frank couldn,t personally give a tinkers cuss. If the " wall "( looked more like a fence from what i saw of it on tv ) gets built or not,nor who pays for it.

Edited March 6, 2021 by kingdong

[kingdong]

6 hours ago, Sujo said:

Then blame trump. He promised it and didnt do it. Now biden has to deal with another broken promise by trump.

And who prevented trump from buiding it?

[Blue Muton]

53 minutes ago, kingdong said:

And who prevented trump from buiding it?

Who do you think, after all he had control of both houses for a couple of years and he wasn't shy about circumventing them when it suited him in any case?

[BangkokReady]

On 3/5/2021 at 6:52 AM, webfact said:

U.S. Border Patrol agents caught more than 4,500 migrants crossing the U.S.-Mexico border on Wednesday

 

They'd better be putting them in flipping 5 star hotels after the fuss they made over Trump following the procedures set up by the previous Democrat government then changing them in response to public backlash.  Sorry, I mean "putting kids in cages".

[ExpatOK]

Hello, joe_i.  You're paid to solve problems, not create them.

[Sujo]

5 minutes ago, BangkokReady said:

 

They'd better be putting them in flipping 5 star hotels after the fuss they made over Trump following the procedures set up by the previous Democrat government then changing them in response to public backlash.  Sorry, I mean "putting kids in cages".

Can you link to the dem policy of putting them in cages? Thought not, it wasnt policy. But trump did have that policy, then lost the parents.

[ExpatOK]

6 minutes ago, BangkokReady said:

 

They'd better be putting them in flipping 5 star hotels after the fuss they made over Trump following the procedures set up by the previous Democrat government then changing them in response to public backlash.  Sorry, I mean "putting kids in cages".

Exactly.

 

"Who built the cages, Joe?"

[Sujo]

1 minute ago, ExpatOK said:

Hello, joe_i.  You're paid to solve problems, not create them.

Yep, the problems from trump.

 

what problems did he create?

[BangkokReady]

1 hour ago, kingdong said:

I asked a simple question which you replied to with two questions????????

 

Interesting points of view above.

 

So the Dems didn't want it, but apparently had nothing to do with it not being built, and now if migrants swarm the country it will be Trumps fault for not building the wall that the Dems didn't want, and Biden will have to pay for Trumps mistake, even though Biden never wanted the wall anyway.

[Sujo]

Just now, BangkokReady said:

 

Interesting points of view above.

 

So the Dems didn't want it, but apparently had nothing to do with it not being built, and now if migrants swarm the country it will be Trumps fault for not building the wall that the Dems didn't want, and Biden will have to pay for Trumps mistake, even though Biden never wanted the wall anyway.

Whats so difficult.

 

Trump promised the wall, didnt build it.

 

The wall doesnt stop anything, never has. But trump supporters seem to think it does, so blame trump for not building it.

[Sujo]

3 minutes ago, ExpatOK said:

Exactly.

 

"Who built the cages, Joe?"

No

[BangkokReady]

6 minutes ago, Sujo said:

Can you link to the dem policy of putting them in cages? Thought not, it wasnt policy.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/immigration/kids-in-cages-debate-trump-obama/2020/10/23/8ff96f3c-1532-11eb-82af-864652063d61_story.html

[Sujo]

52 minutes ago, BangkokReady said:

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/immigration/kids-in-cages-debate-trump-obama/2020/10/23/8ff96f3c-1532-11eb-82af-864652063d61_story.html

thats behind a paywall.

Do you need the question repeated?

A link showing it was an actual dem policy.

[Scott]

Posts with false or misleading information, troll posts and replies removed.   

 

 

[simple1]

7 hours ago, BangkokReady said:

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/immigration/kids-in-cages-debate-trump-obama/2020/10/23/8ff96f3c-1532-11eb-82af-864652063d61_story.html

 

You're attempting to misrepresent the situation at that time. The truth of the matter from your link...

 

The new “Central Processing Center,” or CPC, was clean, spacious, air-conditioned and a major improvement over the cramped detention cells and sweltering garages. To keep different demographic groups safely apart — a standard practice in detention settings — the U.S. Border Patrol used chain-link fencing to create partitions in the cavernous warehouse. One area was designated for teenage boys, another for mothers with small children, another for entire family groups, and so on.

[Scott]

The plan is to make sure migrants are not held any longer than 72 hours.  Under the Flores Agreement, children can't be detained more than 72 hours.  

 

Migrants have to be pre-screened for physical conditions, including Covid, as well as security issues and the setting up of a court date for the immigration hearing.   Those with family connections may be released to their care.  If not, there are shelters where NGO's will assist migrants.  

 

The group that requires special attention is unaccompanied minor children.   As I understand it, they are moved to special facilities awaiting group home, foster or family placements. 

 

[Masterton]

On 3/6/2021 at 9:26 PM, Sujo said:

Trump promised the wall, didnt build it.

 

The wall doesnt stop anything, never has. But trump supporters seem to think it does, so blame trump for not building it.

 

The wall may not have been finished yet, but hundreds of miles were built. And despite what you may have heard on CNN, areas where the new wall was built resulted in a 95% drop in illegal crossings according to the US Border patrols. 

 

Biden and his party only care about future Democrat voters. If the overwhelming majority of people illegally crossing the border were future Republican voters, the wall would have 100% Democrat support, be double the height and twice as long, with turrets containing automated machine guns, and an alligator filled moat running below it. 

 

Edited March 22, 2021 by onthedarkside
flame comment removed

[Sujo]

On 3/7/2021 at 9:17 PM, Masterton said:

 

The wall may not have been finished yet, but hundreds of miles were built. And despite what you may have heard on CNN, areas where the new wall was built resulted in a 95% drop in illegal crossings according to the US Border patrols. 

 

Biden and his party only care about future Democrat voters. If the overwhelming majority of people illegally crossing the border were future Republican voters, the wall would have 100% Democrat support, be double the height and twice as long, with turrets containing automated machine guns, and an alligator filled moat running below it. 

 

 

Thats so wrong its funny.

 

40 miles of new wall. I suggest you review your news. No mexico didnt pay for it, you did.

 

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/12/trumps-border-wall-where-does-it-stand/

 

 

[Scott]

Troll post removed.

 

[Masterton]

On 3/7/2021 at 9:30 PM, Sujo said:

Thats so wrong its funny.

 

40 miles of new wall. I suggest you review your news. No mexico didnt pay for it, you did.

 

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/12/trumps-border-wall-where-does-it-stand/

 

You are deliberately cherry picking and trying to move the goalposts as you bob and weave.

 

Several hundred miles of new border wall / fence / barrier were constructed during the Trump presidency. It is not relevant whether they were built in new areas of the border or not, the existing barriers the new wall replaced were porous and ineffective.

 

You also said in a previous post that "the wall doesn't stop anything", which is completely false, bordering on absurd. So a 95% drop in illegal crossings constitutes nothing?  And no, "I" did not pay for anything. I am not American, nor do I live there, nor have I ever paid any tax there.

 

Furthermore, if Trump had won another term, the wall construction would have continued, another fact seemingly lost on you. And perhaps he will, and it will.

Edited March 22, 2021 by onthedarkside
flame comment removed

[Credo]

On 3/8/2021 at 3:57 AM, Masterton said:

 

You are deliberately cherry picking and trying to move the goalposts as you bob and weave.

 

Several hundred miles of new border wall / fence / barrier were constructed during the Trump presidency. It is not relevant whether they were built in new areas of the border or not, the existing barriers the new wall replaced were porous and ineffective.

 

You also said in a previous post that "the wall doesn't stop anything", which is completely false, bordering on absurd. So a 95% drop in illegal crossings constitutes nothing? And no, "I" did not pay for anything. I am not American, nor do I live there, nor have I ever paid any tax there.

 

Furthermore, if Trump had won another term, the wall construction would have continued, another fact seemingly lost on you. And perhaps he will, and it will.

 

Well, well, well.   It appears you are telling porkies.  Do you have a link to your 95% figure?   I have one and it's way less than 50% and it has nothing to do with the Wall.  It has to do with the Coronavirus.

 

But if the Wall did work, why is there now a supposed surge?  Surely a wall that worked a few months ago should work now.   

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/immigration/immigration-border-arrests-drop/2020/05/07/ee8547c6-908d-11ea-8df0-ee33c3f5b0d6_story.html

[herfiehandbag]

On 3/5/2021 at 3:31 PM, vandeventer said:

All future Democrats and not a penny in their pocket. And Joe is not even having them checked for covid 19. It's done in the city's in Mexico . Yesterday they released 108 positive covid 19 people into the USA. Good job Joe, you are really looking after Americans.

Could I ask, is your primary concern whether they have Covid 19, whether they have no money, or whether they are likely to one day vote Democrat?

 

I take it as granted that their ethnicity is absolutely not a concern!

Edited March 8, 2021 by herfiehandbag

[Masterton]

On 3/8/2021 at 4:37 AM, Credo said:

Well, well, well.   It appears you are telling porkies.  Do you have a link to your 95% figure?   I have one and it's way less than 50% and it has nothing to do with the Wall.  It has to do with the Coronavirus.

 

But if the Wall did work, why is there now a supposed surge?  Surely a wall that worked a few months ago should work now.   

https://www.washingtonpost.com/immigration/immigration-border-arrests-drop/2020/05/07/ee8547c6-908d-11ea-8df0-ee33c3f5b0d6_story.html

 

Typical response, if you hear something you disagree with or did not know then it must mean the person is telling "porkies". I have watched several interviews with US Border Patrol and ICE officials discussing this. Or perhaps you know better than they do ? Somehow you seem to think that thousands of people can just magically walk through a giant steel barrier.

 

Start here: https://www.dhs.gov/news/2020/10/29/border-wall-system-deployed-effective-and-disrupting-criminals-and-smugglers to get an overview of the figures. They are not "way less than 50%". 

 

Regarding your second "question", the reason there is a surge now is not because of the wall or lack thereof, it is because of the inept Biden administration changing policies to let everyone in. But I suspect you already knew that...

[Credo]

On 3/8/2021 at 1:41 AM, Masterton said:

 

Typical response, if you hear something you disagree with or did not know then it must mean the person is telling "porkies". I have watched several interviews with US Border Patrol and ICE officials discussing this. Or perhaps you know better than they do ? Somehow you seem to think that thousands of people can just magically walk through a giant steel barrier. And stop being intellectually lazy, the information is out there if you choose to seek it out.

 

Start here: https://www.dhs.gov/news/2020/10/29/border-wall-system-deployed-effective-and-disrupting-criminals-and-smugglers to get an overview of the figures. They are not "way less than 50%". 

 

Regarding your second "question", the reason there is a surge now is not because of the wall or lack thereof, it is because of the inept Biden administration changing policies to let everyone in. But I suspect you already knew that and are just being facetious. 

It's interesting that you use, as a source, an archived notice.  You might want to check the date.   

 

[Scott]

There are basically three groups of people crossing the border and each of them needs to be dealt with differently.  

First, there are the predominantly Mexican illegals seeking work.  The group includes drug smugglers and those involved in criminal activity.   Most of them have no intention to ask for asylum and generally they should be deported quickly unless they have legal issues to face in the US.  

The 2nd and 3rd group are both people who are crossing to claim asylum.  These groups intend to turn themselves into CBP for processing. 

The 3rd group is unaccompanied minors, who need special consideration because of their age.   They may not be able to articulate their claim to refugee status easily or well.  They also need to be placed somewhere such as a group home, foster care or with relatives who have been screened and approved to care for them.  Like all children, they have to have a legal guardian and in these cases, that guardian is the US gov't (or its designee).

The biggest problem with the asylum process is how slow it is.   It gets hard to deport people who have established themselves, such as when they marry a US citizen, have a child, who is a US citizen, etc.  

Once a claim has been denied the person should be removed from the country as soon as possible.  

Resources also need to given to the countries of origin to stem the flow. 

[Damrongsak]

On 3/4/2021 at 7:31 PM, PatOngo said:

But, the wall, the big, beautiful wall, the wall that Mexico will pay for, what happened??? 

Politics.  We have millions of illegals already and bound to have more as the political winds change.  It's nice to have new voters and people who will mow your lawn and stuff like that.  It's kind of like Thailand welcomed Lao and Vietnamese refugees back in the 60's - NOT.  They paid for it.

[Jeffr2]

On 3/11/2021 at 4:46 AM, Damrongsak said:

Politics.  We have millions of illegals already and bound to have more as the political winds change.  It's nice to have new voters and people who will mow your lawn and stuff like that.  It's kind of like Thailand welcomed Lao and Vietnamese refugees back in the 60's - NOT.  They paid for it.

America is a country of immigrants.  With the exception of a few.  Funny how those from immigrant families are now against immigration.

Immigration is a real mess.  Made worse by politics....  I watched a video of Ronald Regan during a presidential debate.  This was decades ago.  The topic?  How to fix illegal immigration. 

They've been kicking the can down the road for years.  Change is desperately needed in the US.  The political system is broken. 

Edited March 22, 2021 by onthedarkside
trolling reference removed

[Jeffr2]

On 3/8/2021 at 3:57 AM, Masterton said:

 

You are deliberately cherry picking and trying to move the goalposts as you bob and weave.

Several hundred miles of new border wall / fence / barrier were constructed during the Trump presidency. It is not relevant whether they were built in new areas of the border or not, the existing barriers the new wall replaced were porous and ineffective.

 

You also said in a previous post that "the wall doesn't stop anything", which is completely false, bordering on absurd. So a 95% drop in illegal crossings constitutes nothing ? And no, "I" did not pay for anything. I am not American, nor do I live there, nor have I ever paid any tax there.

 

Furthermore, if Trump had won another term, the wall construction would have continued, another fact seemingly lost on you. And perhaps he will, and it will.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_wall

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The U.S. built new barriers along 455 miles,^[6][7][8] 49 miles of which previously had no barrier.

 

You need to differentiate between "NEW" and "UPGRADE".  Only 49 miles of NEW wall were built. 

Trump campaigned on building a wall across the entire border.  And make Mexico pay for it.   Stunning so many fell for it.

 

In the end, walls don't work.  The problem needs to be fixed at the source.  Central America and our lousy immigration laws.

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-51304861

 

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US-Mexico border: 'Longest ever' smuggling tunnel discovered

 

[Isaan sailor]

55 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_wall

You need to differentiate between "NEW" and "UPGRADE".  Only 49 miles of NEW wall were built. 

Trump campaigned on building a wall across the entire border.  And make Mexico pay for it.   Stunning so many fell for it.

In the end, walls don't work.  The problem needs to be fixed at the source.  Central America and our lousy immigration laws.

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-51304861

 

 

Sure, walls don’t work completely—but they help.  Stop illegal immigration outside the USA—not inside the border—that’s the failed “catch and release” policy that lets thousands of unvetted illegals into USA.