Thousands flee to Thailand after Myanmar army's air strikes on villages - activist group, media

[Cake Monster]

9 hours ago, bartender100 said:

This is all so tragic, I hope the General hangs for his crimes against his own people that have suffered so much in the past

The UN should not waste any time at all in getting in to Myanmar and hunting down this coup leader to stand trial in the Haige.

[Nojohndoe]

3 hours ago, internationalism said:

what has happen?

Perhaps co-incidental but several flights out of Korat area of fighter craft in  direct heading rather than the occasional hither and thither training flights. Am reminded of similar activity back when the situation was a bit aggravated on the Thai/Cambodian border.

[RobU]

8 hours ago, sharecropper said:

The US and Trump and his gullible morons have probably given succor to the fascist junta here for being able to egregiously dispute elections then violently seize power, when previously the idea of protesting democratic elections might have been considered too internationally far-fetched, even for these fascists.

US foreign policy remains the same no matter which party is in power Kennedy was a democrat his government installed and supported a minority government in Vietnam and caused one of the worst conflicts seen in the far east. I repeat that no matter what party is in power, the USA will support any military Junta or rebellion that overthrows a  government that is deemed to be 'too socialist' perhaps because they institute universal free or cheap healthcare as happened in Thailand. China and Russia are merely jumping in before the USA does to stop the USA extending it's influence. All 3 superpowers behave in exactly the same way

Edited March 29, 2021 by RobU

[anchadian]

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-myanmar-politics-karen/thai-authorities-force-back-refugees-fleeing-myanmar-air-strikes-activists-say-idUSKBN2BL1JY

 

(Reuters) -Thai authorities forced thousands of refugees fleeing air attacks by the army in neighbouring Myanmar to return to southeastern Karen state, two activist groups said on Monday.

[anchadian]

Matthew Tostevin

 

@TostevinM

 

 

“There’s still fighter jets over the area,”

@MarkFarmaner

head of Burma Campaign UK, told Reuters.

[kickstart]

11 hours ago, internationalism said:

Non of asean countries condemned the coup

That is part of the problem,it is written in the ASEAN ,rule book ?. That another country shall not interfere with anther country ,re political situations .

ASEAN is an organization more to do with trade than anything else

As for the UN doing something ,with one of the founding members Russia setted at the top table and China not far behind ,nothing will be done .look at Syria .

Reading some BBC reports the Burmese people have had enough,  but shooting 13-14 year old children  in their  homes, the people have become resilient ,but I think it will not end well for them ,hope I am wrong. 

[greeneking]

18 minutes ago, kickstart said:

That is part of the problem,it is written in the ASEAN ,rule book ?. That another country shall not interfere with anther country ,re political situations .

ASEAN is an organization more to do with trade than anything else

As for the UN doing something ,with one of the founding members Russia setted at the top table and China not far behind ,nothing will be done .look at Syria .

Reading some BBC reports the Burmese people have had enough,  but shooting 13-14 year old children  in their  homes, the people have become resilient ,but I think it will not end well for them ,hope I am wrong. 

Malaysia is considered relatively democratic but still 'A Myanmar footballer playing for a Malaysian club was suspended for displaying the three-finger salute associated with anti-government protests.'

Thai Enquirer 29 Mar 2021.

At least public opinion is against this verdict.

Today Thailand is blocking refugees and rumours of arms crossing the border at Mae Sai.

Several ASEAN countries would probably behave in the same way as Burma  if their populations demanded to live as though the country belonged to them, not those who appointed themselves to power.

[DerbyDan]

‘Heartless and illegal’: Thailand forces refugees fleeing junta air attacks back into Karen state

They were among around 13,000 villagers who have fled their homes in the last two days amid airstrikes in the state.

[Albert Zweistein]

14 hours ago, internationalism said:

at the same time thailand is forbidding myanmar citisens to protest against the coup - under threat of withdrawing visas and deportation.

 

Thai army is supplying rice to burmese army at Mae Sot. Some 700 sacks by 50kg, so some 45 tonns, were delivered over the border the previous weekend. Burmese army supply routes from the mainland are cut.

 

On saturday thai military attache, together with some other 7 foreign military, attended parade in myanmar army day. There were representatives from Russia, China, India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Vietnam, Laos. Most likely India and Thailand are also selling armaments. Thailand also might be giving logistics and agreeing to near border bombings. 

Non of asean countries condemned the coup.

 

What's more, thailand is torpedoing indonesian affords to backlash against the coup.

Myanmar junta appointed foreign minister flow secretly to thailand on 24.2 for talks about stopping street protests and crushing burmese opposition organisations in thailand. Burmese opposition is trying to form a government in exile and thailand hosts up to 4mln burmese citisens (the largest diaspora).

https://www.khaosodenglish.com/politics/2021/02/24/govt-wont-confirm-burmese-junta-reps-talks-with-prayut/ 

 

thailand was always meddling militarily in the border areas, sending training officers, and with it military equipment. That was for controlling border areas, as well as protecting drug routes, from which thai army profiteered. 

To support myanmar military, they might try to push back those civilians over the border. That's why karen don't disclose own locations

In my time at school 700 sacks by 50 kilo was 35 tons.

[Patong2021]

21 hours ago, RichardColeman said:

About time the UN evicted both Russia and China from the UN, or started afresh without them. Nothing ever gets done when they can veto atrocities 

Then there would be no UN. Russia and China control much of the UN membership.

I do not disagree with you as UN is a farce. The concept of permanent security council membership is  outdated. China and Russia are again  supporting genocide and military repression. While Myanmar  military was murdering civilians  Russian defense minister was attending Myanmar military day parade celebrating military dictatorship.   Put up an oil export embargo and  the Myanmar military will   collapse. 

 

China is the world's enemy and the westerners realize this and stop buying ChHina products the sooner we can start taking back our independence.

[ctxa]

1 hour ago, Patong2021 said:

Put up an oil export embargo and  the Myanmar military will   collapse.

 

Seeing the actions of the Myanmar military against their own people. What do you think they will do against  Chinese people in Myanmar if they start struggling because of embargos taken/allowed by China? 

 

Or any other country for that matter, if the US does something, do you seriously believe they are not gonna murder any American they come across? 

 

Embargos, sanctions don't work. They only make the people in those countries live a miserable life, same as in Cuba, same as in Iran. In an effort to punish the government, embargos condemn the innocent population to live in poverty. 

 

What Myanmar needs is military action, not by one particular country but by the UN itself. To oust the tatmadaw from the government, heavily reform it (to ensure this doesn't happen again), and then let Burmese decide what they want...

 

... Of course I am just dreaming here, because such a thing would never happen. At the end of the day nobody will do anything useful to stop this, and the tatmadaw will continue their killing spree....

[impulse]

16 hours ago, sharecropper said:

The US and Trump and his gullible morons have probably given succor to the fascist junta here for being able to egregiously dispute elections then violently seize power, when previously the idea of protesting democratic elections might have been considered too internationally far-fetched, even for these fascists.

 

But it's kind of strange how they waited until someone else was in charge before they did anything. 

 

What's that tell ya?

 

Trump's gone as of Jan 20.  You have to find someone else to blame...

[aussienam]

19 hours ago, nobodysfriend said:

The most difficult thing for me to understand is why the soldiers  , ( most from poor families ) , who just execute the orders to shoot and kill , ( sometimes shooting at friends or relatives ? ) , not just shoot in the air ? But they really kill their fellow citizens .

The only hope that I can see for the burmese in the moment is a ' revolution ' within the armed forces ... may be some soldiers could save a bullet for their own generals ...? But they are threatened with death penalty only for deserting the army already . So , it is the old story of fear and greed that is brought to the extremes here ... human nature .

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-56547381

 

Myanmar coup: Generals celebrated amid global fury over massacre

 

Coup leader Min Aung Hlaing and his generals still threw a lavish party that night for Armed Forces Day.

On Sunday, funerals were held, with some reports the military had tried to intervene in the mourning.

 

Images from state TV shared on social media showed military officials, including Min Aung Hlaing, wearing white uniforms and bow ties, walking along a red carpet smiling, and seated at large tables for dinner.

 

 

Why the soldiers kill their own citizens?  Khmer Rouge and Pol Pot come to mind. The army was basically brain washed into demonizing certain demographics as well as fear of certain death for not following orders. The same could  be said for current authoritarian and dictatorial regimes elsewhere, particularly in the East and South East Asian regions. 

Mutinies are rare as to get traction, someone had to initially put their life on the line to state their intentions and hopefully get the support from others to carry it through. 

[simon43]

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The military has the main responsibility in managing the situation on the ground and we must not allow officials from UNHCR (United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees), NGOs or other international organizations to have direct contact and communication. This is absolutely forbidden."

[/quote]

 

This quote is from the locked thread, made by the local authorities in Mae Sot, referring to the Thai military.  Seems like the Thai authorities don't want the world to see their dirty work....

[metisdead]

An off topic trolling post has been removed. 

[ExpatOilWorker]

5 hours ago, Albert Zweistein said:

In my time at school 700 sacks by 50 kilo was 35 tons.

If you had also attended the spelling class at said school it might even have been 35 tonnes.

 

The plural of ton is tons. Tons are ambiguous and come in “flavors,” long, short and metric. In most countries, the metric ton, 1000 kg, is called a tonne; it's plural is tonnes.

The term metric tonne is only used in the Dept. Of Redundancy as the tonne is always metric, and means only 1000 kg.

[sharecropper]

3 hours ago, impulse said:

 

But it's kind of strange how they waited until someone else was in charge before they did anything. 

 

What's that tell ya?

 

Trump's gone as of Jan 20.  You have to find someone else to blame...

But that scum's shameful legacy lives on, still making the US a laughing-stock around the world.

[Albert Zweistein]

11 hours ago, ExpatOilWorker said:

If you had also attended the spelling class at said school it might even have been 35 tonnes.

 

The plural of ton is tons. Tons are ambiguous and come in “flavors,” long, short and metric. In most countries, the metric ton, 1000 kg, is called a tonne; it's plural is tonnes.

The term metric tonne is only used in the Dept. Of Redundancy as the tonne is always metric, and means only 1000 kg.

In shipping  ( my profession before retirement ) mostly the plural tons is used  e.g so many tons deadweight or water displacement.

[pedro01]

On 3/29/2021 at 2:30 AM, RichardColeman said:

About time the UN evicted both Russia and China from the UN, or started afresh without them. Nothing ever gets done when they can veto atrocities 

 

The US kills way more civilians than Russia and China combined.

 

Both sides sell war weapons too, yet people rarely blame the US when weapons they sold are used against civilians.

[Fex Bluse]

There is a very real risk that this is a proxy war warm up being fought by China to test out some of their capabilities before the real big one - their potential invasion of Taiwan and subsequent WW3