Story Of My Thai Citizenship Application

[Big Guns]

Lets please get back to providing useful advice for citizenship applicants based on our experience & knowledge.

[greenchair]

4 hours ago, NewlyMintedThai said:

 

Honey, you are the one who clearly stated that fooling around with prostitutes was grounds for revocation of citizenship. Remember? Or do I have to quote it? I’m not worried — never have been — and no one else should be, either. Time to move on from this ridiculous line of conversation, which is absolutely of no use to anyone.


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I did not. 

Quote away. 

[NewlyMintedThai]

Immoral behaviour can mean downloading porn. 
Fraud, bonking prostitits and posting dirty pics  on fb.

I hope this ends the conversation, because frankly this thread is about helping people who wish to become Thai citizens...and you’re not helping with your non-factual scare-mongering.


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[qualtrough]

If anyone wants a break from the sadly typical Thaivisa dustup I will report on my experience today applying for a yellow household registration book.

 

We got the list of requirements from the Amphur, but the application is made at the Tesabal.

 

1"  x 1" photos, copy of wife's household registration and her ID card, certification of that from the Amphur, passport/birthcert  with translation and cert by FM/Marriage certificate. I don't have the reqs in front of me so there could be something I missed. It's not an extremely long list in any case.

 

They did want the full names of my parents. It is possible that a real stickler might want documentation of that. Fortunately my Birth cert from the hospital had that.

 

No line at the Tesabal, very friendly service. Only thing different from the printout from the Amphur is that they wanted 5  x 1" x 1" photos, not 3. Fortunately I always try to bring extras of everything.

 

What I didn't count on is that we could have had the two witnesses come in with us. I had thought that they would review everything, let us know, and then the witnesses could come in.

 

So this Wednesday we will come back with the witnesses to complete the application.

 

When I asked how long it would take until I have my book he said Monday. That's one I will believe when I see it!

 

EDIT: Question. Has anyone had success in using their Thai ID card (pink) and/or Yellow registration book in avoiding dual pricing situations, like in parks? That would be nice.

 

 

 

Edited November 20, 2017 by qualtrough

[greenchair]

23 minutes ago, qualtrough said:

If anyone wants a break from the sadly typical Thaivisa dustup I will report on my experience today applying for a yellow household registration book.

 

We got the list of requirements from the Amphur, but the application is made at the Tesabal.

 

1"  x 1" photos, copy of wife's household registration and her ID card, certification of that from the Amphur, passport/birthcert  with translation and cert by FM/Marriage certificate. I don't have the reqs in front of me so there could be something I missed. It's not an extremely long list in any case.

 

They did want the full names of my parents. It is possible that a real stickler might want documentation of that. Fortunately my Birth cert from the hospital had that.

 

No line at the Tesabal, very friendly service. Only thing different from the printout from the Amphur is that they wanted 5  x 1" x 1" photos, not 3. Fortunately I always try to bring extras of everything.

 

What I didn't count on is that we could have had the two witnesses come in with us. I had thought that they would review everything, let us know, and then the witnesses could come in.

 

So this Wednesday we will come back with the witnesses to complete the application.

 

When I asked how long it would take until I have my book he said Monday. That's one I will believe when I see it!

 

EDIT: Question. Has anyone had success in using their Thai ID card (pink) and/or Yellow registration book in avoiding dual pricing situations, like in parks? That would be nice.

 

 

 

Yes, I've used it to get thai price many times. Some places don't allow so don't get upset if one does and one doesn't. 

It's up to them really. 

[NewlyMintedThai]

I thought you were a Thai citizen?


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[skippybangkok]

I hope this ends the conversation, because frankly this thread is about helping people who wish to become Thai citizens...and you’re not helping with your non-factual scare-mongering.


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Agree - seems very academic

There is a possibility that I might be on a flight to the ISS space next year, but not a probability






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[samran]

1 hour ago, qualtrough said:

If anyone wants a break from the sadly typical Thaivisa dustup I will report on my experience today applying for a yellow household registration book.

 

We got the list of requirements from the Amphur, but the application is made at the Tesabal.

 

1"  x 1" photos, copy of wife's household registration and her ID card, certification of that from the Amphur, passport/birthcert  with translation and cert by FM/Marriage certificate. I don't have the reqs in front of me so there could be something I missed. It's not an extremely long list in any case.

 

They did want the full names of my parents. It is possible that a real stickler might want documentation of that. Fortunately my Birth cert from the hospital had that.

 

No line at the Tesabal, very friendly service. Only thing different from the printout from the Amphur is that they wanted 5  x 1" x 1" photos, not 3. Fortunately I always try to bring extras of everything.

 

What I didn't count on is that we could have had the two witnesses come in with us. I had thought that they would review everything, let us know, and then the witnesses could come in.

 

So this Wednesday we will come back with the witnesses to complete the application.

 

When I asked how long it would take until I have my book he said Monday. That's one I will believe when I see it!

 

EDIT: Question. Has anyone had success in using their Thai ID card (pink) and/or Yellow registration book in avoiding dual pricing situations, like in parks? That would be nice.

 

 

 

When my wife had the yellow book we had some luck at some of the more reasonable places (siam ocean world) and it was still of the era where a Thai DL or claims of residency via the yellow book mainly got you through with the occasional 'can not'.

 

These days, I'm not so sure, but I've been to Samet national park twice recently over the past few months with my family and two sets of really good friends working in Thailand (all non-Thai's). I just said to the park people all my friends are living and working in Bangkok (after showing my and my wife's ID card) and our friends got in for the 40 baht Thai rate or whatever it was. Kids didn't have to pay anything.

 

I'm guessing that mileage will vary on how much they like you.

 

Good news on the yellow book by the way. It was one of our biggest hurdles.

[greenchair]

34 minutes ago, skippybangkok said:

 

 

Agree - seems very academic

There is a possibility that I might be on a flight to the ISS space next year, but not a probability






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Oh great! !!

[GabbaGabbaHey]

1 hour ago, VIBE said:

I submitted my application for Thai citizenship last week, and this week was told by the RTP that I need to go to the local Amphur office and "reserve" my new Thai name.  I don't understand this, as how can I just get a new Thai name?  What would happen to all the documents I have for Thailand in my English name?  I thought, one would only need their English name translated to Thai.

This has been part of the requirement for very long time, as Arkady explained many pages ago -if you want to get all details you should read earlier posts-, in early ages naturalized people had to switch to use a Thai name. Nowadays it's a formality but it remains in the process (you need to choose one Thai name, but no obligation to use it, although if you wished to switch to a completely new identity you could decide to use it). BTW there's a website that let you check the name availability (it must be a new family name never used).

http://www.khonthai.com/online/WCHECKLNAME/

And I can truly say that when I got the letters with my Thai firstname and lastname, after just few months in the process, I already felt half naturalized :-)

Edited November 21, 2017 by GabbaGabbaHey

[greenchair]

2 hours ago, VIBE said:

Hi,

 

I submitted my application for Thai citizenship last week, and this week was told by the RTP that I need to go to the local Amphur office and "reserve" my new Thai name.  I don't understand this, as how can I just get a new Thai name?  What would happen to all the documents I have for Thailand in my English name?  I thought, one would only need their English name translated to Thai.

 

This is in Chiang Mai by the way.

 

Thanks

Well, I didn't choose a Thai name and nobody told me to either. 

When you get your thai id your birth name will be in English and in thai. If you have submitted a copy of your yellow book obviously you will see your name corresponds with your birth certificate and passport. It's not a good idea to choose a Thai name because most likely you will use 2 passports for travel. You will leave thailand on your thai passport and enter your country on your country of origin passport and visa versa. In order to do that all the names must match to the ticket that you bought. If you insist on choosing a Thai name by all means do that. But it's a ludicrous idea, I didn't and most people I know with citizenship didn't either. If you do, then you will need to change your name by deed poll in your country, get a new birth certificate in that name, then apply for a new passport in that name. So by all means go and choose a Thai name so that you can "feel thai ".

[GabbaGabbaHey]

25 minutes ago, greenchair said:

Well, I didn't choose a Thai name and nobody told me to either. 

Greenchair, as I understand, this is because women who adopt their husband's Thai nationality -which must be your case- have less requirements than male applicants (No Thai name to chose, no renunciation of former nationality, no singing, no oath perhaps...). Vibe is likely to be a male applicant, then he has this mandatory step to choose a Thai name, without any need to use it. End of story, I think.

[GarryP]

46 minutes ago, greenchair said:

Well, I didn't choose a Thai name and nobody told me to either. 

When you get your thai id your birth name will be in English and in thai. If you have submitted a copy of your yellow book obviously you will see your name corresponds with your birth certificate and passport. It's not a good idea to choose a Thai name because most likely you will use 2 passports for travel. You will leave thailand on your thai passport and enter your country on your country of origin passport and visa versa. In order to do that all the names must match to the ticket that you bought. If you insist on choosing a Thai name by all means do that. But it's a ludicrous idea, I didn't and most people I know with citizenship didn't either. If you do, then you will need to change your name by deed poll in your country, get a new birth certificate in that name, then apply for a new passport in that name. So by all means go and choose a Thai name so that you can "feel thai ".

Men have to reserve both a first name and family name in Thai. "Reserve" is the operative word. The papers showing you have reserved the names form part of your application packet. However, you are not forced to use those names once you gain citizenship. It is optional. It is a quirk of the system that they never removed the reservation requirement from the application process, despite the fact that you are no longer compelled to take on Thai first and family names.  I reserved Suppachoke  Buapailin , but my ID card and Thai passport and all other official documents bear my English name.

[NewlyMintedThai]

Well, I didn't choose a Thai name and nobody told me to either. 
When you get your thai id your birth name will be in English and in thai. If you have submitted a copy of your yellow book obviously you will see your name corresponds with your birth certificate and passport. It's not a good idea to choose a Thai name because most likely you will use 2 passports for travel. You will leave thailand on your thai passport and enter your country on your country of origin passport and visa versa. In order to do that all the names must match to the ticket that you bought. If you insist on choosing a Thai name by all means do that. But it's a ludicrous idea, I didn't and most people I know with citizenship didn't either. If you do, then you will need to change your name by deed poll in your country, get a new birth certificate in that name, then apply for a new passport in that name. So by all means go and choose a Thai name so that you can "feel thai ".

I have different names on my two passports and have not had a problem even once over the past seven years of traveling all over the place.


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[MrPatrickThai]

14 hours ago, qualtrough said:

Thai ID card (pink)

It's not a Thai ID card and has limited uses. 

[MrPatrickThai]

20 minutes ago, NewlyMintedThai said:

 

 

I have different names on my two passports and have not had a problem even once over the past seven years of traveling all over the place.


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I can't see that coming into Thailand as a Thai citizen should be a problem. In fact, I believe they can't refuse you entry even if your passport is out of date or you lost it.

[greenchair]

1 hour ago, NewlyMintedThai said:

 

 

I have different names on my two passports and have not had a problem even once over the past seven years of traveling all over the place.


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I thought that when you checked in at the airport your ticket or eticket would need to match your passport and the boarding pass would then match your passport. 

I am slightly confused, could you enlighten me with your extensive knowledge. 

[NewlyMintedThai]

If I travel to Europe, for example, I book with my original name and give my original passport when checking in. I then go through immigration with my Thai passport. When boarding the plane, I show my original passport again. Same as you would if the names on the passports matched. No issues.


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[skippybangkok]

Men have to reserve both a first name and family name in Thai. "Reserve" is the operative word. The papers showing you have reserved the names form part of your application packet. However, you are not forced to use those names once you gain citizenship. It is optional. It is a quirk of the system that they never removed the reservation requirement from the application process, despite the fact that you are no longer compelled to take on Thai first and family names.  I reserved Suppachoke  Buapailin , but my ID card and Thai passport and all other official documents bear my English name.

Can’t even remember mine. When getting all ID’s, you just stick to your current name ( unless you hate it )

The hassle you would have to go through to change banks, bills etc etc to a new name would be hell




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[greenchair]

1 hour ago, NewlyMintedThai said:

If I travel to Europe, for example, I book with my original name and give my original passport when checking in. I then go through immigration with my Thai passport. When boarding the plane, I show my original passport again. Same as you would if the names on the passports matched. No issues.


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Wouldn't it be easier not to change you name? ?

[NewlyMintedThai]

No hassle at all, and there are advantages both to having a Thai name and to having two identities.


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[greenchair]

3 hours ago, GabbaGabbaHey said:

Greenchair, as I understand, this is because women who adopt their husband's Thai nationality -which must be your case- have less requirements than male applicants (No Thai name to chose, no renunciation of former nationality, no singing, no oath perhaps...). Vibe is likely to be a male applicant, then he has this mandatory step to choose a Thai name, without any need to use it. End of story, I think.

Which law says you must choose a Thai name? 

[greenchair]

1 hour ago, NewlyMintedThai said:

If I travel to Europe, for example, I book with my original name and give my original passport when checking in. I then go through immigration with my Thai passport. When boarding the plane, I show my original passport again. Same as you would if the names on the passports matched. No issues.


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I'm not the brightest spark in the box I suppose. 

But when you go to immigration, don't you need to present your bording pass along with your passport, and that bording pass should match the name on your passport? ?

[NewlyMintedThai]

Since the introduction of the automatic gates, there is no longer anyone to look at your boarding pass.


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[Big Guns]

If you are a man and you want to become a naturalised Thai citizen you must choose and register a Thai name. This was how it was explained to me. I had to register a Thai name but there was no obligation to use it. My Thai passport and ID card are both in my English name. The rules are very different for women adopting the citizenship of their husband and someone more knowledgeable than me will explain.

[greenchair]

1 hour ago, Big Guns said:

If you are a man and you want to become a naturalised Thai citizen you must choose and register a Thai name. This was how it was explained to me. I had to register a Thai name but there was no obligation to use it. My Thai passport and ID card are both in my English name. The rules are very different for women adopting the citizenship of their husband and someone more knowledgeable than me will explain.

Where is the law that says that? 

[NewlyMintedThai]

It’s not a “law”, per se, not everything is a statute. It is part of the process, and it must be done.


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[greenchair]

27 minutes ago, NewlyMintedThai said:

It’s not a “law”, per se, not everything is a statute. It is part of the process, and it must be done.


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Who says? 

Where does it say? 

[NewlyMintedThai]

Oh, Jesus. The process at SB says. What do you care, anyway?


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[greenchair]

4 minutes ago, NewlyMintedThai said:

Oh, Jesus. The process at SB says. What do you care, anyway?


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They do not. 

Choosing a Thai name is an option everyone has, including myself. 

It is not a prerequisite to citizenship. He has filed the application already and as you say, after receiving citizenship he doesn't have to use that thai name. 

So how is anyone going to know if he's done it or not. 

Why do I care? 

Why do you care if he does it or not? 

He asked for people's opinions. I gave mine. He doesn't have to choose a name if he doesn't want to. It is an option. All these negative normans telling people they have to do all manner of silly things for no reason. Why make people work so hard.