Don't feel much like being a lab rat . Will wait for all the scared as hell people take it first. After it is tested and really proven to might be safe and work, than maybe I'll give it a try. 

On 4/21/2021 at 5:33 PM, friendofthai said:

Almost any vaccine have 100% efficacy against severe forms of Covid. So I will buy any of them as soon as possible.

I think Darwin would call it natural selection. When those who cannot throw away all the political <deleted> in the field of vaccines will not survive.

Not entirely true.  None of the current vaccines is 100% effective, and sinovac is only about 50% effective according to a Chilean study. There have been over 5800 "breakthrough" cases in the US, and at least 74 people have died although fully vaccinated, about 1 in a million. This is directly from the CDC.

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/health-departments/breakthrough-cases.html

 

Two videos definitely worth watching.  It'll clarify some of the comments made above:

 

 

 

11 hours ago, BTB1977 said:

Don't feel much like being a lab rat . Will wait for all the scared as hell people take it first. After it is tested and really proven to might be safe and work, than maybe I'll give it a try. 

 

The only reason vaccines usually take so long is red tape and bureaucratic delays. They cut through that this time with emergency orders.

5 minutes ago, DerbyDan said:

 

The only reason vaccines usually take so long is red tape and bureaucratic delays. They cut through that this time with emergency orders.

Ummm....you mean red tape and bureaucratic delays to make sure the vaccines are safe and effective? 

I have already taken 2 doses of Astra Zenica and still keeping my distance and wear mask properly. I had no issue with the vaccine and no side effect at all.

I had covid19 on january,but it was mild..after I was back in work and tested antibodies my IgG was about 6.8...

Middle in march I take Sputnik-first shot,and April 1 was second shot.One week ago I tested antibodies again and that IgG value was 400!  What great vaccine,Sputnik! Now I just arrive to Thailand and stay in ASq

On 4/22/2021 at 9:53 AM, rodknock said:

every thing is great, as long as you are not the one in a million that gets an embolism and dies!

Or the 500 in a million that get CV19 and die.  Or the thousands that get covid and end up in a hospital with lasting long term consequences.

For fearless people, I would suggest first shot to be a mix of russian Sputnik V and chinese Sinovac...Second dose, if they survived, of course, would be QazVac, Kazahstan's home made vaccine.

 

That will give a protection of at least 500 %...

14 hours ago, Jari72 said:

I had covid19 on january,but it was mild..after I was back in work and tested antibodies my IgG was about 6.8...

Middle in march I take Sputnik-first shot,and April 1 was second shot.One week ago I tested antibodies again and that IgG value was 400!  What great vaccine,Sputnik! Now I just arrive to Thailand and stay in ASq

 Out of curiosity, did you start riding polar bears as comrad Putin?

If your fit, healthy with no underlaying conditions  99.5% you would be fine even if catching cv19...

 

Not interested in being a lab rat, already gained natural immunity through catching it, quarantined and now getting on with life.

1 minute ago, englishoak said:

If your fit, healthy with no underlaying conditions  99.5% you would be fine even if catching cv19...

 

Not interested in being a lab rat, already gained natural immunity through catching it, quarantined and now getting on with life.

That number is wrong.  I don't understand why some are so fixated on that fake number? 

 

If you've had CV19.  You have LIMITED immunity.  Some studies say only for 6 months, and only for that variant.  There are now over 2,000 variants of this virus.  Some are much more dangerous than the original strains.

 

Best of luck.  In the end, herd immunity won't get us back to "normal".  And people like you don't help.  We're all in this together.

Just now, Jeffr2 said:

That number is wrong.  I don't understand why some are so fixated on that fake number? 

 

If you've had CV19.  You have LIMITED immunity.  Some studies say only for 6 months, and only for that variant.  There are now over 2,000 variants of this virus.  Some are much more dangerous than the original strains.

 

Best of luck.  In the end, herd immunity won't get us back to "normal".  And people like you don't help.  We're all in this together.

 

The number is based on that 50% wont ever know they ever had it, its that dangerous ???? not my estimate but the WHO and its asymptomatic spreading  clap trap modelling so i use it happily. Global population wise based on 7 billion its going to end up being a lot closer 99.9% non lethal rate and that would still be with a massive death toll figure of  7 million 

 

Actually there are currently at least 10,000 estimated variants which will continue to increase exponentially as thats what viruses MUST do, mutate and spread... pretty soon the entire globe will become infected and it'll come back over and over and yknow what ?  the jabs will always be behind the curve because of that. Youll have to get best guess jabs as mutations spread like the flue jab every year or less for the rest of your life and still not be safe, maybe a version in the future will mutate than is viral resistant and kills 99%.  enjoy that worry.  Or maybe itll go the way of every other pandemic and simply  fade out with herd immunity like all other cov/rhino viruses in the past. 

 

People like me ? ohhh you mean someone who dosnt think the way you do... gotcha ????

 

No we arnt all in it together, there are those who want to be scared and pretend this is something worth freaking out about thx to the media hype and those that dont...for me it wasnt before and hasnt been since,  ive had far worse colds and is not a concern when compared to other conditions or disease risks... I also mountain climb, ride bikes, Dive and do all manner of dangerous things, eat what i want and even drink and enjoy the odd cigar...

 

We could also get hit by a global disaster tomorrow, develop cancer,drop dead or be killed in some manner or catch some other deadly disease, WW3 etc ... so naaa im not wasting my life worrying about  something ive actually had that for healthy people is no big deal at all..  

 

Stay worried and safe. ill get on with my day. ????

 

 

 

 

2 hours ago, Jeffr2 said:

 

If you've had CV19.  You have LIMITED immunity.  Some studies say only for 6 months, and only for that variant.  

Which is also what Pfizer's CEO recently said about his gene therapy/ vaccine (another shot will be required after 6 months...and then another one, and so on).

 

So, you get "vaccinated", but you still have to wear a mask and social distance, and after 6 months you start all over again.

 

And because it is not possible to vaccinate 70% of the population (the alleged threshold for heard immunity) in only 6 months, you never get out of this "groundhog day" nightmare...

yes, pfizer earlier expected to give protection around one year. Now they are saying between 6 to 12 months.

 

yes, it's possible to vax the majority of population in short time, if vials are available. Thailand will be doing 10mln per month, so 70% of population in 5 months. With ready supplies and better organisation probably they can to 20mln per month. On top over 1000 governmental hopsitals, there are also private clinics - if there only were allowed to import, there would be a choice, so better immunity from mixing different vax.

At some stage even every pharmacy might offer this service, just walk in

5 hours ago, internationalism said:

yes, pfizer earlier expected to give protection around one year. Now they are saying between 6 to 12 months.

 

yes, it's possible to vax the majority of population in short time, if vials are available. Thailand will be doing 10mln per month, so 70% of population in 5 months. 

It doesn't work in a linear fashion, as other countries have discovered.

 

The higher the percentage of vaccinated people, the more difficult it becomes to gain an extra percentage point, because many people are reluctant or simply don't want the shots.

 

I don't believe for one second that Thailand will be able to vaccinate 300,000 persons per day, every day, for 6 months.

 

In villages, many people refuse to visit a doctor, even when they are very sick...I can't imagine them waiting in line for a shot...or two...

yes, but the consensus is on 70%, it's good enough. 

Sometimes this year vax will be available to youngsters, several companies are already research, so if villagers don't want free vax, it might go to the other groups now excluded from vax program. 

It's the cities, highly populated places, which suffer with high infection, not villages 

I am on a blood thinner (warfarin) for life since I had 2 DVT and a test revealed I had a blood disorder that can cause clotting. I would like to think that since I am on a blood thinner due to my condition that I would be safe from any possible blood clots, however remote they are, when eventually getting a covid-19 vaccine since the warfarin prevents blood clots from forming.  I asked a Dr about this and she said there is currently not enough data in Thailand to make an educated assessment of the risks.