Restrictions increased in Bangkok, Chonburi, Chiang Mai and 3 other provinces

[ChipButty]

20 minutes ago, edwarda909 said:

I just spoke to a restaurant this morning- Friday,  Dining restrictions start May 1

Midnight tonight 

[fleccer]

Cases are dropping but the restrictions increasing, talking about logic 

Edited April 30, 2021 by fleccer

[howbri]

If lockdowns really worked before along with masks, why do we still have the virus. Lockdowns create much more pain than the virus ever could. But at least the government isn't getting any protests. Sheep are sheep.

[Danderman123]

4 minutes ago, howbri said:

If lockdowns really worked before along with masks, why do we still have the virus. Lockdowns create much more pain than the virus ever could. But at least the government isn't getting any protests. Sheep are sheep.

Just because you don’t understand control of infectious diseases doesn’t mean you have to inflict your ignorance on others.

 

For the millionth time, lockdowns serve to reduce the level of new infections so that hospitals are not overwhelmed with the sick, like in Brazil and India today. And, to hold things together until enough people are vaccinated to stop the spread.

 

Your internet friends have misinformed you about lockdowns, don’t listen to the,.

[Danderman123]

7 minutes ago, fleccer said:

Cases are dropping but the restrictions increasing, talking about logic 

If only there were a connection between restrictions and the number of new cases, then it might make sense.

[Danderman123]

1 hour ago, Brunolem said:

 

 

Hospitalizing asymptomatic people for 14 days was possible when there were only a couple dozen cases per day, but it is a sure recipe for healthcare disaster with the actual numbers...

If only Thailand had some field hospitals to house the asymptomatics, then hospitals would be freed up to care for those with symptoms.

 

Perhaps You and I could start a petition drive for the government to erect some field hospitals.

[Crossy]

An anti-vax / conspiracy post along with a sensible response and a baiting troll reply have been removed.

[connda]

18 hours ago, Jonathan Fairfield said:

Face masks must be worn at all times when in public places and all schools and tutoring centres must close.

 

Shopping malls must close by 9pm. 

This mad world's new priorities:
School and tutoring centers must close!  (The little commoner will only need enough education to push a broom or pick rice)
Malls may stay open till 9pm  (The upper-crust of Thailand must be allowed to go out a shop, shop, shop.)

Schools - not necessary.
Malls - very necessary.  ????

[Brunolem]

31 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

 

 

For the millionth time, lockdowns serve to reduce the level of new infections so that hospitals are not overwhelmed with the sick, like in Brazil and India today. 

Sure thing.

Just look at France, one of the champions of lockdown...the country still has 30,000 cases et 300 deaths per day, which is more than India (adjusted for population size) and about 20 times more than Thailand.

 

Other European countries are not faring much better with their own lockdowns...

[Danderman123]

4 minutes ago, Brunolem said:

Sure thing.

Just look at France, one of the champions of lockdown...the country still has 30,000 cases et 300 deaths per day, which is more than India (adjusted for population size) and about 20 times more than Thailand.

 

Other European countries are not faring much better with their own lockdowns...

You don’t get it. The lockdowns exist so the hospitals are not overwhelmed with patients. They are a holding action until people are vaccinated.

 

Places like India and Brazil did not have national lockdowns during this wave, and so their hospitals are swamped.

 

Which outcome do you prefer?

[Dene16]

2 hours ago, johnarth said:

it would seem 90% of people have the wrong idea about vaccines, the only thing the vaccines do if they work is to stop you from getting as sick as you would if not have it, other than that nothing has changed

 

You will need to take that up with the publisher of the oxford dictionary and Wikipedia as they seem to think different

Note the word immunity

A vaccine is a biological preparation that provides active acquired immunity to a particular disease

If you were correct the virus cases would still be rising as everyone would still be getting infected

Unless you are claiming to be one of the 90%

 

 

Edited April 30, 2021 by Dene16
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[orchidfan]

54 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

If only there were a connection between restrictions and the number of new cases, then it might make sense.

Yes, it could  be worse!

My wife flies  back to Hong Kong on Tuesday,  and even though she has Permanent Residence status, vaccinated or not, she still has to do 21 days quarantine in an approved hotel, at our expense. (B41000)

Hk is only getting 10 or less new cases per day !

Most other semi~lockdown rules also apply, similar to here.

BUT if you arrive from mainland China, Taiwan or Macao....you can isolate at home !!

[orang37]

1 hour ago, Danderman123 said:

If only Thailand had some field hospitals to house the asymptomatics, then hospitals would be freed up to care for those with symptoms.

 

You claim the Kingdom does not currently have field hospitals for asymptomatic patients ?

 

see: field hospitals

 

What is very likely is that a surge in cases may result in the necessity to send symptomatic patients to field hospitals previously used for mild/asymptomatic patients.

 

Perhaps you can cite an official source for, or an actual personal experience of, your claim ?

 

~o:37;

[DjSilver]

This is just ridiculous. The only thing that Thailand needs to do ia to close the nightclubs, bars ans so.

 

2200 new cases is not even that much, when rhey have 70 milion people living in Thailand. Come back if it is 20000 who gets corona every day.

 

I am so glad I am not in Thailand now, and still in Sweden where it is much better and only recommendations and nothing can be punished if one doesn't follow the recommendations.

[Danderman123]

18 minutes ago, orang37 said:

 

You claim the Kingdom does not currently have field hospitals for asymptomatic patients ?

 

see: field hospitals

 

What is very likely is that a surge in cases may result in the necessity to send symptomatic patients to field hospitals previously used for mild/asymptomatic patients.

 

Perhaps you can cite an official source for, or an actual personal experience of, your claim ?

 

~o:37;

 

3 hours ago, Brunolem said:

To quarantine vaccinated people for 14 days shows how much confidence in the vaccines the government has...

 

Hospitalizing asymptomatic people for 14 days was possible when there were only a couple dozen cases per day, but it is a sure recipe for healthcare disaster with the actual numbers...

 

[mlmcleod]

I see that Chon Buri is in the highest restriction category.  I have yet to see any information on how many Covid-19 cases are occurring in Chon Buri.  I have long suspected that Pattaya has many more cases than the government tells us.

[Brunolem]

1 hour ago, Dene16 said:

 

 

A vaccine is a biological preparation that provides active acquired immunity to a particular disease

If you were correct the virus cases would still be rising as everyone would still be getting infected

Unless you are claiming to be one of the 90%

 

 

The virus cases are not really decreasing...see the US for example...despite massive vaccination.

 

One can get infected after being vaccinated, since the vaccine operates from inside the body, and not outside.

 

The vaccine is supposed to protect one from being sick, not from being infected.

 

Yet, there are more and more cases of people getting sick from Covid 19 after having been vaccinated, some of them even dying.

 

Time will tell more... 

[Brunolem]

8 minutes ago, mlmcleod said:

I see that Chon Buri is in the highest restriction category.  I have yet to see any information on how many Covid-19 cases are occurring in Chon Buri.  I have long suspected that Pattaya has many more cases than the government tells us.

For your information, Chonburi had 131 new cases today.

 

Yet cases don't mean much, since most are asymptomatic.

 

Much more interesting, and reassuring, is the fact that are only 871 severely Ill from Covid 19, for the whole country...

[Bkk Brian]

17 minutes ago, Brunolem said:

For your information, Chonburi had 131 new cases today.

 

Yet cases don't mean much, since most are asymptomatic.

 

Much more interesting, and reassuring, is the fact that are only 871 severely Ill from Covid 19, for the whole country...

Amazed by your reassurance.

[Danderman123]

39 minutes ago, Brunolem said:

The virus cases are not really decreasing...see the US for example...despite massive vaccination.

 

One can get infected after being vaccinated, since the vaccine operates from inside the body, and not outside.

 

The vaccine is supposed to protect one from being sick, not from being infected.

 

Yet, there are more and more cases of people getting sick from Covid 19 after having been vaccinated, some of them even dying.

 

Time will tell more... 

you in the prize for most misinformation in a short post (that’s a new category in our Awards department).

 

Below shows the decrease in new infections in the US this year when mass vaccination began. New infections are decreasing.

 

The vaccine can be prophylactic as well as mitigate symptoms.

 

The death rate of the vaccinated from Covid19 is about 1 in a million.

 

 

Edited April 30, 2021 by Danderman123

[ZimSong]

WHO study: "A large randomized community-based trial in which 4862 healthy participants were divided into a group wearing medical/surgical masks and a control group found no difference in infection with SARS-CoV-2. A recent systematic review found nine trials (of which eight were cluster-randomized controlled trials in which clusters of people, versus individuals, were randomized) comparing medical/surgical masks versus no masks to prevent the spread of viral respiratory illness. Two trials were with healthcare workers and seven in the community. The review concluded that wearing a mask may make little or no difference to the prevention of influenza-like illness.”

Mask karenists are like "I am helping" Simpson TV-series meme. 

 

[Danderman123]

37 minutes ago, Brunolem said:

For your information, Chonburi had 131 new cases today.

 

Yet cases don't mean much, since most are asymptomatic.

 

Much more interesting, and reassuring, is the fact that are only 871 severely Ill from Covid 19, for the whole country...

 

[Danderman123]

17 minutes ago, ZimSong said:

WHO study: "A large randomized community-based trial in which 4862 healthy participants were divided into a group wearing medical/surgical masks and a control group found no difference in infection with SARS-CoV-2. A recent systematic review found nine trials (of which eight were cluster-randomized controlled trials in which clusters of people, versus individuals, were randomized) comparing medical/surgical masks versus no masks to prevent the spread of viral respiratory illness. Two trials were with healthcare workers and seven in the community. The review concluded that wearing a mask may make little or no difference to the prevention of influenza-like illness.”

Mask karenists are like "I am helping" Simpson TV-series meme. 

 

A complete misrepresentation of science.

 

Mistake #1: Quoting a single study. You can always find a single study that will support your agenda. What does the scientific consensus say?

 

Mistake #2: Face masks are primarily to stop the wearer from spreading the virus.

 

Mistake #3: the quoted study actually determined a 10% benefit in protection for the wearer.

 

Have a nice day.

[Brunolem]

44 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

you in the prize for most misinformation in a short post (that’s a new category in our Awards department).

 

Below shows the decrease in new infections in the US this year when mass vaccination began. New infections are decreasing.

 

The vaccine can be prophylactic as well as mitigate symptoms.

 

The death rate of the vaccinated from Covid19 is about 1 in a million.

 

 

Well, from your chart, the situation now looks very much like what is was last summer.

 

The fact (not misinformation, but published numbers) remains that today the US has about 60,000 new cases, and 800 deaths, against 1,500 and 15 respectively for Thailand.

 

Adjusted for population size, the US has 8 times more cases and more than 10 times more deaths than Thailand...despite having fully vaccinated 25% of its population, while Thailand has barely started vaccinating...

[ZimSong]

31 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

A complete misrepresentation of science.

 

Mistake #1: Quoting a single study. You can always find a single study that will support your agenda. What does the scientific consensus say?

 

Mistake #2: Face masks are primarily to stop the wearer from spreading the virus.

 

Mistake #3: the quoted study actually determined a 10% benefit in protection for the wearer.

 

Have a nice day.

 

Read again, nine separate trials. Not just one study. Little to no benefit. 

 

[Danderman123]

35 minutes ago, Brunolem said:

Well, from your chart, the situation now looks very much like what is was last summer.

 

The fact (not misinformation, but published numbers) remains that today the US has about 60,000 new cases, and 800 deaths, against 1,500 and 15 respectively for Thailand.

 

Adjusted for population size, the US has 8 times more cases and more than 10 times more deaths than Thailand...despite having fully vaccinated 25% of its population, while Thailand has barely started vaccinating...

I get it, you are saying that vaccination in the US has not dropped infection levels below the levels of last year's low point of 60,000 cases a day. I cannot argue that point. 

 

The comparison with Thailand, of course, is pointless. As bad as the Thai government is, the US had worse until recently, in terms of managing Covid. 

 

 

[ZimSong]

With this rate it would take years and years with this on-off red zone bulls--t madness. One month business open, one month business close. You can't run any businesses like that, you will run out of cash eventually. The economy will collapse worse than in the Great Depression. 

[holy cow cm]

6 hours ago, trainman34014 said:

There is never any reason to fret about Beer supplies; the Mom and Pop shops will sell it to you anytime, Ban or no Ban

Nope, not in my area of CM. They were 100% not selling as dreadfully worried of being caught and fined which was a lot of money lost. .

[Brunolem]

49 minutes ago, ZimSong said:

With this rate it would take years and years with this on-off red zone bulls--t madness. One month business open, one month business close. You can't run any businesses like that, you will run out of cash eventually. The economy will collapse worse than in the Great Depression. 

This is the most important which seems to totally escape the panicked masses: a massive economic depression is coming!

 

Until now the governments have kept the house of cards from collapsing with huge amounts of borrowed money, sending the national debts into the stratosphere.

 

Sooner or later the piper will have to be paid...and it's gonna be painful...

 

Edited April 30, 2021 by Brunolem

[the green light]

On 4/25/2021 at 6:50 PM, Danderman123 said:

The rumor du jour is that the government is going to extend quarantine for all incoming Farangs to 14 days again. There is a Reuters report that claims its a done deal. No fun.

 

why bother coming to thailand now

only stupid farang with money will dare venture in the country