11 minutes ago, Surelynot said:

A version of Johnson's ever so successful "whack-a-mole" strategy that led to 156,000 deaths.

Nope.

 

Thailand uses hospital walk-ins to find hotspots, and uses contact tracing (which failed in the UK) and targeted random sampling to eliminate the virus in those hotspots.

 

 

1 minute ago, Danderman123 said:

Based on current data,

...and there's the rub.

1 minute ago, Danderman123 said:

Nope.

 

Thailand uses hospital walk-ins to find hotspots, and uses contact tracing (which failed in the UK) and targeted random sampling to eliminate the virus in those hotspots.

 

 

???? hence the term "a version of"...??

17 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

But, you should recognize that they are effectively eliminating the virus in hotspots using their approach.

Correct, but what they are failing to do is get ahead of any potential issues in the outer lying areas and just waiting for them to pop up and become new clusters.  AKA, a dog chasing it's tail.  No proactive random testing, but instead using a set of testing procedures to respond to a known cluster or such.  Why not try and stay ahead of the issue, of course a lack of money or testing equipment might be the answer.  But if they can get ahead of the issue and pinpoint areas of concern then money can be saved.  It is not rocket science.  They are testing the same way the RTP enforce traffic laws by having checkpoints instead of getting to the heart of the matter.

12 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

You are having a sad because I am not defining their approach of targeting a hotspot and then performing random samples in that hotspot, the way that you would like. Okay, call it what you want.

 

But, you should recognize that they are effectively eliminating the virus in hotspots using their approach.

 

Based on current data, Thailand is reducing the current wave.  That is far more important than what to call their sampling approach.

You obviously need a lesson on what random testing is and what it achieves, rather that wait for an outbreak to occur or cases to be found, random sampling avoids this as its ahead of the curve. If you're going to use the term take a look at its definition with regards to covid measures.

 

https://bmcmedresmethodol.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12874-020-01081-0

2 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

Correct, but what they are failing to do is get ahead of any potential issues in the outer lying areas and just waiting for them to pop up and become new clusters.  AKA, a dog chasing it's tail.  No proactive testing but instead a set of testing procedures as they respond to a known cluster or such.  Why not try and stay ahead of the issue, of course a lack of money or testing equipment might be the answer.  But if they can get ahead of the issue and pinpoint areas of concern then money can be saved.  It is not rocket science.  They are testing the same way the RTP enforce traffic laws by having checkpoints instead of getting to the heart of the matter.

Here is a blurb from today's Pattaya News:

 

"In the last day, a total of 138 close contacts were tested from contact tracing, and 847 people were tested in proactive testing when medical staff goes out into the community.  Additionally, another 802 people were tested from Royal mobile testing vans and are also waiting for results as officials step up aggressive community testing."

 

Please tell us what they are doing wrong in Chonburi.

1 hour ago, Susco said:

 

So you think 18 is less than 15?

From the recent highs...I know good virus news is anathema to some members.

Just now, Bkk Brian said:

You obviously need a lesson on what random testing is and what it achieves, rather that wait for an outbreak to occur or cases to be found, random sampling avoids this as its ahead of the curve. If you're going to use the term take a look at its definition with regards to covid measures.

 

https://bmcmedresmethodol.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12874-020-01081-0

Yep. It would be optimum if the authorities tested randomly in every district in the country, at least enough samples to generate a normal curve.

 

Perhaps you would like to start a fundraising effort to that end.

 

Meanwhile, the authorities are using an approach which has worked in the past, and seems to be working now. Unfortunately, you think they can do better.

1 minute ago, Danderman123 said:

Here is a blurb from today's Pattaya News:

 

"In the last day, a total of 138 close contacts were tested from contact tracing, and 847 people were tested in proactive testing when medical staff goes out into the community.  Additionally, another 802 people were tested from Royal mobile testing vans and are also waiting for results as officials step up aggressive community testing."

 

Please tell us what they are doing wrong in Chonburi.

They are doing nothing wrong as they are not using the term random testing, understand?

Just now, Danderman123 said:

 

 

Perhaps you would like to start a fundraising effort to that end.

 

Meanwhile, the authorities are using an approach which has worked in the past, and seems to be working now. Unfortunately, you think they can do better.

So you finally find out what random testing is and come back with this............amazing

3 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

Correct, but what they are failing to do is get ahead of any potential issues in the outer lying areas and just waiting for them to pop up and become new clusters.  AKA, a dog chasing it's tail.  No proactive testing but instead a set of testing procedures as they respond to a known cluster or such.  Why not try and stay ahead of the issue, of course a lack of money or testing equipment might be the answer.  But if they can get ahead of the issue and pinpoint areas of concern then money can be saved.  It is not rocket science.  They are testing the same way the RTP enforce traffic laws by having checkpoints instead of getting to the heart of the matter.

What you say is true of course but then what people are forgetting is that this government and others who control this country do not give a rat's ar$e about the general population and most definitely don't give two hoots to the entire Isan region. Given their distaste of the majority of Thais then there is no way in hell that they will ever do random testing in other areas as they fundamentally do not want to know. 

3 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

Here is a blurb from today's Pattaya News:

 

"In the last day, a total of 138 close contacts were tested from contact tracing, and 847 people were tested in proactive testing when medical staff goes out into the community.  Additionally, another 802 people were tested from Royal mobile testing vans and are also waiting for results as officials step up aggressive community testing."

 

Please tell us what they are doing wrong in Chonburi.

Nothing they are doing in Chonburi is wrong, in fact if they would do that in the rest of Thailand they might stay ahead of the problems.  Can you at least agree to that.  Other provinces such as Bangkok should be taking a lesson from Chonburi and not doing what they are doing, and so should the other provinces. However it will cost them money in Bangkok to do what Chonburi is doing because of the difference in population density.

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As of Thursday, 1,073 (+31) patients are in critical condition, with 356 (+13) of them relying on ventilator. Only 0.65 percent of the population is fully vaccinated, with 1,167,719 (+17,155) people received the first dose, while 434,114 (+11,603) received the second dose.

9 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

Yep. It would be optimum if the authorities tested randomly in every district in the country, at least enough samples to generate a normal curve.

 

Perhaps you would like to start a fundraising effort to that end.

 

Meanwhile, the authorities are using an approach which has worked in the past, and seems to be working now. Unfortunately, you think they can do better.

Foreign countries have already given millions upon millions in funds which is assistance to Thailand.  What is that money being used for. They can obviously do better by getting ahead of the issue is all we are saying.

Just now, Bkk Brian said:

So you finally find out what random testing is and come back with this............amazing

Nobody cares what I call their testing approach.

 

What people care about is the future of the epidemic. The current data indicates the Thai authorities are handling it well. IF you have different data, please share.

 

At the start of the year Singapore was doing awful, with huge numbers amongst their migrant workers. The turn around has been remarkable. 

1 minute ago, Excel said:

What you say is true of course but then what people are forgetting is that this government and others who control this country do not give a rat's ar$e about the general population and most definitely don't give two hoots to the entire Isan region. Given their distaste of the majority of Thais then there is no way in hell that they will ever do random testing in other areas as they fundamentally do not want to know. 

Since The Powers That Be lose money when the economy flattens, it would seem that fighting the epidemic would be in their best interest, and that watching for spread of the virus would be of great concern to them.

 

If you want to see governments that don't care, check out India and Brazil, or the US under Trump.

 

But this government seems to be effectively fighting the virus.

 

3 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

Nothing they are doing in Chonburi is wrong, in fact if they would do that in the rest of Thailand they might stay ahead of the problems.  Can you at least agree to that.  Other provinces such as Bangkok should be taking a lesson from Chonburi and not doing what they are doing, and so should the other provinces. However it will cost them money in Bangkok to do what Chonburi is doing because of the difference in population density.

I have not seen much news about testing in other provinces, but that doesn't mean it isn't happening. I would assume a province with zero cases isn't getting tested, but places like Phuket, Chiang Mai, Udon Thani, Khon Kaen are getting some random tests, the news just doesn't get to us here.

 

Just because it's not written about in English doesn't mean it's not happening.

 

 

Just now, Danderman123 said:

Nobody cares what I call their testing approach.

 

What people care about is the future of the epidemic. The current data indicates the Thai authorities are handling it well. IF you have different data, please share.

 

Correct terms as used world wide and by the CCSA are indicative of ones knowledge with measures on how to deal with a pandemic.

 

Why are you asking if I have different data? What lead you to believe that I have? 

6 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

So you finally find out what random testing is and come back with this............amazing

Instead of worrying about me, what does your data tell you about the near term future of the epidemic?

 

1 minute ago, Bkk Brian said:

Correct terms as used world wide and by the CCSA are indicative of ones knowledge with measures on how to deal with a pandemic.

 

Why are you asking if I have different data? What lead you to believe that I have? 

The virus doesn't care about how I define testing.

 

The bars that are waiting to open don't care about this discussion. They want to know when the epidemic will fade away so they can open again.

 

Please focus on the data and what it tells you, not my definitions of testing, that's pointless.

 

Whatever you call the testing that is being done, the results point to a near term lessening of the epidemic, that's what matters.

2 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

I have not seen much news about testing in other provinces, but that doesn't mean it isn't happening. I would assume a province with zero cases isn't getting tested, but places like Phuket, Chiang Mai, Udon Thani, Khon Kaen are getting some random tests, the news just doesn't get to us here.

 

Just because it's not written about in English doesn't mean it's not happening.

 

 

I think you need to read what other posters have advised you of what random testing entails.  They are not doing random tests, it is selective testing only.

2 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

 

Why are you asking if I have different data? What lead you to believe that I have? 

What does your read of whatever data you have tell you about the near term prognosis for the epidemic?

Figures  provided  by the minsitry of  foreign convictions for parliamentary representatives?

Everybody who has been in army know what is biggest problem when army is in charge!

Higher officer never admit they are wrong! Also "brown stuff" flow down! What kind education or experience army have to haddle any things in Thailand!? Citizens suffer when leaders watch down from they ivory tower and not do nothing!

Just now, Excel said:

I think you need to read what other posters have advised you of what random testing entails.  They are not doing random tests, it is selective testing only.

Nobody cares what I call it, they care about what the data means. Since you are an expert on Thai testing techniques, what do the results tell you?

 

4 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

Instead of worrying about me, what does your data tell you about the near term future of the epidemic?

 

Perhaps you shouldn't use flippant remarks such as:  "Perhaps you would like to start a fundraising effort to that end."

 

You've got a short memory I already replied to you in depth yesterday on what I think of the situation, would you like a link to recap or can you find it yourself if you're so interested?

1 hour ago, smedly said:

how many people were tested 

 

a critical number they seem reluctant to put out there which makes this data incomplete

Such as it has been from the start because only testing numbers give us a true indication of the situation.

9 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

Since The Powers That Be lose money when the economy flattens, it would seem that fighting the epidemic would be in their best interest, and that watching for spread of the virus would be of great concern to them.

 

If you want to see governments that don't care, check out India and Brazil, or the US under Trump.

 

But this government seems to be effectively fighting the virus.

 

Stop trying to drag in other countries into this conversation.  We already know where they flummoxed it, and that is why we are making the statements we are here and now.  If one can learn from a messed up approach then learn from it and not take a half baked approach. 

4 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Perhaps you shouldn't use flippant remarks such as:  "Perhaps you would like to start a fundraising effort to that end."

 

You've got a short memory I already replied to you in depth yesterday on what I think of the situation, would you like a link to recap or can you find it yourself if you're so interested?

How does today's data impact your assessment?

 

Does the recent data in any way contradict my assessment of a low positivity rate and flat growth of infections (with continued double digit number of deaths)?