Overseas tourists finally roam free on Thai island of Phuket

[oldcpu]

2 hours ago, FarFlungFalang said:

312,187 x 2 = 624374 +392008 = 1,016,382 Phuket took 1 million jabs away from elderly and vulnerable people outside of Phuket

No its not 1-million.  

 

First, let me say my reference for Phuket jabs is here:  https://www.facebook.com/83ssj/?__tn__=-UC*F

 

I think you need to recalculate.  Serious.  Think about it - Clearly 1-million jabs were not given in Phuket, as that would mean Phuket has a population of 500,000 (which it has not) and for the 1-million jabs that you calculate (without considering Phuket's population and without considering how Thai authorities present statistics),  that would mean 100% of Phuket were vaccinated.  For certain 100% of Phuket's population was not vaccinated.  Do you really believe Phuket, at present, has > 500,000 people? Serious?

 

Let me help you with the math:  So 312,187 received 2 jabs (and this is a subset of the 392,008 who received at least 1-jab).  

 

ie 312,187 x2 = 624,374.

 

But the remainder ?  392,008 - 312,187 = 79,821.  So the actually total is 624,374 + 79,821 = 704,195 jabs given.   Not 1-million. I don't know about you, but I think 300,000 additional vaccine jabs is a big number.

 

So thats 300,000 more for the elderly in another province as opposed to your estimates.

 

Hopefully those administering the jabs don't use your math.

Edited July 4, 2021 by oldcpu

[FarFlungFalang]

20 minutes ago, oldcpu said:

No its not 1-million.  

 

First, let me say my reference for Phuket jabs is here:  https://www.facebook.com/83ssj/?__tn__=-UC*F

 

I think you need to recalculate.  Serious.  Think about it - Clearly 1-million jabs were not given in Phuket, as that would mean Phuket has a population of 500,000 (which it has not) and for the 1-million jabs that you magically produce (without considering Phuket's population and without considering how Thai authorities present statistics),  that would mean 100% of Phuket were vaccinated.  For certain 100% of Phuket's population was not vaccinated.  Do you really believe Phuket, at present, has > 500,000 people? Serious?

 

Let me help you with the math:  So 312,187 received 2 jabs (and this is a subset of the 392,008 who received at least 1-jab).  

 

ie 312,187 x2 = 624,374.

 

But the remainder ?  392,008 - 312,187 = 79,821.  So the actually total is 624,374 + 79,821 = 704,195 jabs given.   Not 1-million. I don't know about you, but I think 300,000 additional vaccine jabs is a big number.

 

So thats 300,000 more for the elderly in another province as opposed to your estimates.

 

Hopefully those administering the jabs don't use your math.

Don't you understand that I was using the calculator I borrowed from the TAT?So I will take your 704,195 jabs and give it to those who need it more before I give it to those in Phuket.What ever the number I totally disagree with the concept of the Phuket Suspit.It's just another Phuket scam from the hub of scams from those whose only interest is to make as much money as they can whilst treading on those whom they believe are inferior.If you're ok with the concept that's your choice, but I believe it's indefensible.

Edited July 4, 2021 by FarFlungFalang

[oldcpu]

13 minutes ago, FarFlungFalang said:

Don't you understand that I was using the calculator I borrowed from the TAT?So I will take your 704,195 jabs and give it to those who need it more before I give it to those in Phuket

So the majority of the people in Phuket who can't make ends meet, many of whom have been in food lines every day for months - don't need to have tourism returned?  Is that your view?  Or let tourism return and have them catch the virus?  Is that your view?   Or have them stay in food lines for more months, where this is NOT happening in the rest of Thailand like its happening in Phuket.

 

So Thailand (10.23 million cases of 1-jab ( reference:  https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations ) ...  likely much much higher than 10.23 million (maybe 15 million jabs if one considers many are 2 jabs), but let say only 10.5 million if one considers the 2-jabs cases ... a bad underestimation on my part as likely many more jabs - but lets be conservative.  So minus 700k for Phuket is 9.8 million jabs given elsewhere in Thailand.  Approximately 9.8 million. Probably a LOT more.

 

Why do you not ask where these 9.8 million jabs went?  Its probably a lot more than  9.8 million jabs. Where did they go?

 

They sure didn't all go to the prisons as prisons are less than 400k and I seriously doubt 100% of prisoners vaccinated.

 

So I ask you again, where did they all go? Did they go to districts where instead of being in food lines, the locals partied and went to restaurants, and places where the vast majority Phuket local residents could not afford? Where many of the local Phuket residents were in food lines?

 

We won't agree on this - that is for sure. You are all focused on the 700K of Phuket, you ignore their suffering, and you also ignore the remaining 9.8 million doses (probably a lot more) given elsewhere in Thailand that could have been allocated to the elderly.

Edited July 4, 2021 by oldcpu

[FarFlungFalang]

Just now, oldcpu said:

So the majority of the people in Phuket who can't make ends meet, many of whom have been in food lines every day for months - don't need to have tourism returned?  Is that your view?  Or let tourism return and have them catch the virus?  Is that your view?   Or have them stay in food lines for more months, where this is NOT happening in the rest of Thailand like its happening in Phuket.

 

So Thailand (10.23 million cases of 1-jab ( reference:  https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations ) ...  likely closer to 10.5 million of one considers the 2-jabs cases ... minus 700k for Phuket is 9.8 million jabs given elsewhere in Thailand.  Approximately 9.8 million.

 

Why do you not ask where these 9.8 million jabs went?  

 

They sure didn't all go to the prisons as prisons are less than 400k and I seriously doubt 100% of prisoners vaccinated.

 

So I ask you again, where did they all go? Did they go to districts where instead of being in food lines, the locals partied and went to restaurants, and places where the vast majority Phuket local residents could not afford? Where many of the local Phuket residents were in food lines?

 

We won't agree on this - that is for sure. You are all focused on the 700K of Phuket, you ignore their suffering, and you also ignore the remaining 9.8 million doses given elsewhere in Thailand that could have been allocated to the elderly.

4.5 million children died of hunger or hunger related diseases in the world in the past 18 months based on the yearly average out of 13.5 million people and some have predicted this could have doubled during the pandemic,I'm actually against these lockdowns which cause the problems you've mentioned and appreciate the problems people are facing in Phuket and I'm not ignoring the 9.8 million doses that could have been allocated to the elderly, in fact that is my whole point.Can you give me a percentage of elderly who have been vaccinated in Thailand with a breakdown of their ages?What about the number of vulnerable people who have been vaccinated?I believe the elderly and vulnerable should be vaccinated first before others no matter where they are because they are not going hungry they are dying.Can you tell me how many of those who are dying have been vaccinated?

[oldcpu]

12 minutes ago, oldcpu said:

So Thailand (10.23 million cases of 1-jab ( reference:  https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations ) ...  likely much much higher than 10.23 million (maybe 15 million jabs if one considers many are 2 jabs),

Lets be more accurate here  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_vaccination_in_Thailand

 

Thailand has received (or in case of AstraZeneca produced locally):

* 5.12 million AstraZeneca (I don't think this includes the ~1-million AstraZeneca being donated by Japan)
* 7.5 million Sinovac
* 1 million Sinopharm

Total is either 13.62 million or 14.62 million (possibly if Japan AstraZenec included).

 

so where did all of these doses go?

[Mavideol]

wonder if the newly arrived people from the middle east read the news or were informed off the daily reporting....

today on another post

Thailand reports 5,916 new COVID-19 cases, 44 more deaths

[oldcpu]

11 minutes ago, FarFlungFalang said:

and I'm not ignoring the 9.8 million doses that could have been allocated to the elderly,

Given the emphasis of your posts it does appear to me in reading your posts that your are ignoring such. You started talking of prisons and in areas where the 4th wave started, in some (not all) due to wealthy people partying in districts not suffering as much as Phuket (and do now you want them to get priority ? priority instead of the elderly?   I suspect not but I do not understand your logic in a previous post )

 

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Can you give me a percentage of elderly who have been vaccinated in Thailand with a breakdown of their ages?What about the number of vulnerable people who have been vaccinated?

This is your point that you think it very bad.   So why don't you provide such statistics ?  Its not my point.

 

My point is there is over 13-million (likely over 14-million) doses in Thailand, where that could have been allocated to Phuket and to the elderly.  

 

And in the mean time, while waiting in Phuket for what I think will be a VERY SLOW buildup of tourism in Phuket,  ... that despite the hard efforts of Thai government to open up Phuket as a test 'sandbox' (using what I think an appropriate software term that many who are not suffering like to make fun of ), the Phuket locals will continue to suffer financially - go to food lines .. . Hopefully thou, with the vaccinations, they won't catch COVID (or die from COVID) from the gradual build up of foreign tourists who come into Phuket.

Edited July 4, 2021 by oldcpu

[oldcpu]

27 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

wonder if the newly arrived people from the middle east read the news or were informed off the daily reporting....

today on another post

Thailand reports 5,916 new COVID-19 cases, 44 more deaths

I think they read the news.  I think they are fully aware of it.  

 

Unfortunately - I suspect given they are all vaccinated, that they feel a degree, a false sense, of personal safety wrt the virus?   Their being vaccinated makes them feel safe ....  

 

Now I wouldn't feel that way if I was fully vaccinated, but I believe they think that way. .... (Its also possible they researched Phuket # of new daily cases, where since mid-May-2020 Phuket has less than 10 new daily cases each day - but I doubt they researched that).

Edited July 4, 2021 by oldcpu

[FarFlungFalang]

26 minutes ago, oldcpu said:

Given the emphasis of your posts it does appear to me in reading your posts that your are ignoring such. You started talking of prisons and in areas where the 4th wave started, in some (not all) due to wealthy people partying in districts not suffering as much as Phuket (and do now you want them to get priority ? priority instead of the elderly?   I suspect not but I do not understand your logic in a previous post )

Dude I haven't mentioned prisons or prisoners or 4th waves or wealthy people partying once in any of my posts you are making stuff up again and attributing comments I've not made to me to continue you're facile argument to justify giving vaccines to people before the elderly and vulnerable.

I can't provide the information because I can't find it as it's either well hidden or not published. People are dying that haven't been vaccinate yet there are people in Phuket and probably in other places that are not considered elderly or vulnerable.Like many rich people who can afford to appropriate a vaccination in the corrupt system that is Thailand.

Another fact for you is that Thailand ranks 104th in the world for transparency and corruption.

 

https://www.transparency.org/en/countries/thailand

[ThailandRyan]

1 hour ago, oldcpu said:

Lets be more accurate here  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_vaccination_in_Thailand

 

Thailand has received (or in case of AstraZeneca produced locally):

* 5.12 million AstraZeneca (I don't think this includes the ~1-million AstraZeneca being donated by Japan)
* 7.5 million Sinovac
* 1 million Sinopharm

Total is either 13.62 million or 14.62 million (possibly if Japan AstraZenec included).

 

so where did all of these doses go?

Not all used.  Still on the shelf, but a majority of the initial 2 million Sinovac and AZ was used by the government to vaccinate themselves and then Frontline workers of which many still have not been vaccinated. Taxi drivers, moto taxi riders, Thai Airways personnel, and don't forget the ever important athletes headed to the Olympics.  Let's try again with how many vaccines have been given to the actual people needing it.  Tourism could have been opened up in phuket without vaccinating the young and still vaccinating the elderly and in need on the island.

Edited July 4, 2021 by ThailandRyan

[stevenl]

18 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

Not all used.  Still on the shelf, but a majority of the initial 2 million Sinovac and AZ was used by the government to vaccinate themselves and then Frontline workers of which many still have not been vaccinated. Taxi drivers, moto taxi riders, Thai Airways personnel, and don't forget the ever important athletes headed to the Olympics.  Let's try again with how many vaccines have been given to the actual people needing it.  Tourism could have been opened up in phuket without vaccinating the young and still vaccinating the elderly and in need on the island.

As you say, vaccines still on the shelf, so there is no relation at all between vaccinating the elderly and the Phuket sandbox.

[oldcpu]

22 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

... used by the government to vaccinate themselves and then Frontline workers of which many still have not been vaccinated. Taxi drivers, moto taxi riders, Thai Airways personnel, and don't forget the ever important athletes headed to the Olympics. ....

Assume 2-million doses not yet used and ready to use (and IMHO the # of unused vaccine in Thailand, today, is likely MUCH MUCH less, as I have very recently been told of social media stories of vaccination centers running out) ... Likely over 11-million jabs given in Thailand ... subtract the relatively small (to 11-million) 700k for Phuket and there is still well over 10 million jabs given in Thailand. .... 10-million ... And you say the jabs went to "  government to vaccinate themselves and then Frontline workers of which many still have not been vaccinated. Taxi drivers, moto taxi riders, Thai Airways personnel, and don't forget the ever important athletes headed to the Olympics. ...." ..

 

I don't think that uses up very much in terms of jabs , even if it was fully justified..    Lots of jabs left for the elderly.

 

Further, there are ZERO statistics provided by anyone on this thread of the % elderly not being vaccinated in Thailand.  Just a bunch of grumbling with stories.  I too have stories, where the elderly I know outside of Phuket have been vaccinated. 

 

Frankly, I think this is just complaining about Phuket for complaining sake.

 

As for this thread, in one case someone doesn't know how many people in Phuket (they think 1-million doses was the # of jabs  given in Phuket) and in another case someone (you ? )  talk of prisoners receiving  jabs instead of the elderly (... and what, use that to blame Phuket ?)

 

And further, I note the vast majority of Thailand, outside of Phuket, did not see the economic crisis that Phuket has seen and is still experiencing.  They have not seen people in food line.  They have not talked to the locals and heard their stories.  I have had friends come from Bangkok and Pattaya, who are shocked what they have seen in Phuket.  They noted they would not have believed it had they not seen it.

 

I am full agreement to vaccinate the elderly, but your lack of statistics fail to convince me that such jabbing of the elderly is not being done in Thailand (with Phuket jabs to blame), and further your lack of statistics fail to convince me that the 700k Phuket jabs has anything to do with a hypothetical view that the elderly in Thailand are suffering from jabs going to Phuket (if that is indeed your view ??? ).

 

What I have seen, with my own eyes, is Phuket economically suffering.  Badly. It needs the tourism (more than most (all ?) places in Thailand (on a relative basis)). And if tourists come, Phuket needs the jabs.

 

[ThailandRyan]

19 minutes ago, stevenl said:

As you say, vaccines still on the shelf, so there is no relation at all between vaccinating the elderly and the Phuket sandbox.

Think you have lost the plot.  The vaccines on the shelf are the newly delivered ones including the Sinopharm, the AZ from Japan, the 6 million doses of AZ just delivered and then the newest batch of Sinovac.  The ones used in Phuket could have been used for the elderly and the medically necessary individuals and Phuket still could have opened up.  How many of the elderly on the Island were vaccinated if they were not part of the Sandbox scheme, and how many are still waiting in the rest of Thailand where the newest variant is spreading to.  You guys crack me up with your belief that Phuket's tourism industry would have continued to suffer had they not been vaccinated.  They could still have opened up with the vaccinated tourists.

[gk10012001]

3 hours ago, daveAustin said:

Generation of network availability is irrelevant so don’t let that stop you. Latest phones are 5G ready and will switch up and down without you knowing. Don’t be a phone-phobic dinosaur. ????

watch your language and name calling.  I am not phone phobic dinosaur.  I am a millionaire because I buy what he needs and doesn't cater to what  companies tell me I need.

[ThailandRyan]

7 minutes ago, oldcpu said:

And further, I note the vast majority of Thailand, outside of Phuket, did not see the economic crisis that Phuket has seen and is still experiencing.  They have not seen people in food line.  They have not talked to the locals and heard their stories.  I have had friends come from Bangkok and Pattaya, who are shocked what they have seen in Phuket.  They noted they would not have believed it had they not seen it.

Wow, you are truly out of Touch.  Chiang Mai has been decimated as well as many of the other Areas such as Hua Hin, and Pattaya to name just a few more.  I lived on Phuket in Rawai and Chalong for many years.  Many of the friends I have there lost their businesses and many are unemployed.  The Muay Thai fraternity to which I am acquainted with I assisted the best I could, and tried to keep one of my friends studios open which he had to shutter because he could not afford to keep it open as far as not being able to have students.  The gym that they owned also closed, and I was also helping a few other families down there with monthly donations during the past year to keep them afloat.  I have also helped a few families that live on the side Soi's here in Sathon whose businesses have gone under. You need to look outside of the box.  I have also lost family here in Thailand this past year and currently have 5 family members of the GF, who could not get vaccinated here in Bangkok, in the hospital 1 on a ventilator, and 1 who just had the ventilator removed after 10 days and is making a recovery.  You try to paint a grim picture of just Phuket, but it is all of Thailand that is suffering. Enjoy your view because I agree to disagree with you. 

[Bkk Brian]

17 minutes ago, oldcpu said:

Assume 2-million doses not yet used and ready to use (and IMHO the # of unused vaccine in Thailand, today, is likely MUCH MUCH less, as I have very recently been told of social media stories of vaccination centers running out) ... Likely over 11-million jabs given in Thailand ... subtract the relatively small (to 11-million) 700k for Phuket and there is still well over 10 million jabs given in Thailand. .... 10-million ... And you say the jabs went to "  government to vaccinate themselves and then Frontline workers of which many still have not been vaccinated. Taxi drivers, moto taxi riders, Thai Airways personnel, and don't forget the ever important athletes headed to the Olympics. ...." ..

 

I don't think that uses up very much in terms of jabs , even if it was fully justified..    Lots of jabs left for the elderly.

 

Further, there are ZERO statistics provided by anyone on this thread of the % elderly not being vaccinated in Thailand.  Just a bunch of grumbling with stories.  I too have stories, where the elderly I know outside of Phuket have been vaccinated. 

 

Frankly, I think this is just complaining about Phuket for complaining sake.

 

As for this thread, in one case someone doesn't know how many people in Phuket (they think 1-million doses was the # of jabs  given in Phuket) and in another case someone (you ? )  talk of prisoners receiving  jabs instead of the elderly (... and what, use that to blame Phuket ?)

 

And further, I note the vast majority of Thailand, outside of Phuket, did not see the economic crisis that Phuket has seen and is still experiencing.  They have not seen people in food line.  They have not talked to the locals and heard their stories.  I have had friends come from Bangkok and Pattaya, who are shocked what they have seen in Phuket.  They noted they would not have believed it had they not seen it.

 

I am full agreement to vaccinate the elderly, but your lack of statistics fail to convince me that such jabbing of the elderly is not being done in Thailand (with Phuket jabs to blame), and further your lack of statistics fail to convince me that the 700k Phuket jabs has anything to do with a hypothetical view that the elderly in Thailand are suffering from jabs going to Phuket (if that is indeed your view ??? ).

 

What I have seen, with my own eyes, is Phuket economically suffering.  Badly. It needs the tourism (more than most (all ?) places in Thailand (on a relative basis)). And if tourists come, Phuket needs the jabs.

 

Here's some stats for you:

 

"Elderly people 60 years and over 12.5 million received the first dose of vaccine 11.2% and the second dose 0.7%." 

 

So only 0.7% of 60+ have been fully vaxxed.

 

https://www.bbc.com/thai/thailand-57704369

[stevenl]

34 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

Think you have lost the plot.  The vaccines on the shelf are the newly delivered ones including the Sinopharm, the AZ from Japan, the 6 million doses of AZ just delivered and then the newest batch of Sinovac.  The ones used in Phuket could have been used for the elderly and the medically necessary individuals and Phuket still could have opened up.  How many of the elderly on the Island were vaccinated if they were not part of the Sandbox scheme, and how many are still waiting in the rest of Thailand where the newest variant is spreading to.  You guys crack me up with your belief that Phuket's tourism industry would have continued to suffer had they not been vaccinated.  They could still have opened up with the vaccinated tourists.

All the elderly on the island could have been vaccinated if they wanted to.

Your belief that Phuket could have opened to vaccinated tourists while the population would not have been vaccinated is nonsensical. But I won't resort to copying your example and start flaming.

[nkg]

11 hours ago, FarFlungFalang said:

I am fully in support of Phuket opening up as soon as possible but feel a better and morally acceptable way to do it would be to vaccinate the elderly and vulnerable first as the was promised by the Thai administration instead they have gone against that promise and have left the elderly and vulnerable to suffer the consequences of that decision, it is this that I'm voicing my concerns about.You have made some baseless and inflammatory accusations that I'm anti Phuket and anti tourist when in fact I have enjoyed Phuket as a tourist and one of my best friends runs a business there which I still frequent, so it would appear that you are incorrect in your accusations.If you are in favour of this reprehensible Phuket scam parading as a scheme you are quite entitled to express such views and I feel I should be entitled to do the same should I feel the desire to do so. 

 

 

More dull sanctimonious whining.

 

[oldcpu]

1 hour ago, Bkk Brian said:

Here's some stats for you:

 

"Elderly people 60 years and over 12.5 million received the first dose of vaccine 11.2% and the second dose 0.7%." 

 

So only 0.7% of 60+ have been fully vaxxed.

 

https://www.bbc.com/thai/thailand-57704369

OK, Lets run with those numbers.

 

After the Phuket jabs there still well over 10-million jabs given Thailand, of which only 1.6 million jabs went to the elderly.   I can show you the math if you can't reproduce that number.

 

Why were the other 8.4 million jabs diverted away from the elderly?  Phuket's fault?  Nonsense.  Phuket had nothing to do with those 8.4 million jabs allocation.   There are other factors at play here with nothing to do with Phuket. 

 

Follow the numbers.

 

And yes, these 10-million were jabs given, and not some # of doses not yet handed out.  I provided my reference already for the Phuket jabs given.

[shdmn]

1 minute ago, oldcpu said:

OK, Lets run with those numbers.

 

After the Phuket jabs there still well over 10-million jabs given Thailand, of which only 1.6 million jabs went to the elderly.   I can show you the math if you can't reproduce that number.

 

Why were the other 8.4 million jabs diverted away from the elderly?  Phuket's fault?  Nonsense.  Phuket had nothing to do with those 8.4 million jabs allocation.   There are other factors at play here with nothing to do with Phuket. 

 

Follow the numbers.

 

And yes, these 10-million were jabs given, and not some # of doses not yet handed out.  I provided my reference already for the Phuket jabs given.

You are wasting your time trying to use logic and reason on people cheerleading for failure, even if they have to invent their own facts to do it.

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, oldcpu said:

OK, Lets run with those numbers.

 

After the Phuket jabs there still well over 10-million jabs given Thailand, of which only 1.6 million jabs went to the elderly.   I can show you the math if you can't reproduce that number.

 

Why were the other 8.4 million jabs diverted away from the elderly?  Phuket's fault?  Nonsense.  Phuket had nothing to do with those 8.4 million jabs allocation.   There are other factors at play here with nothing to do with Phuket. 

 

Follow the numbers.

 

And yes, these 10-million were jabs given, and not some # of doses not yet handed out.  I provided my reference already for the Phuket jabs given.

Here's what you said:

 

"Further, there are ZERO statistics provided by anyone on this thread of the % elderly not being vaccinated in Thailand.  Just a bunch of grumbling with stories.  I too have stories, where the elderly I know outside of Phuket have been vaccinated."

 

My link provides the response to that and that alone, good day to you...............

[oldcpu]

2 hours ago, ThailandRyan said:

Wow, you are truly out of Touch.  Chiang Mai has been decimated as well as many of the other Areas such as Hua Hin, and Pattaya to name just a few more. 

 

Its clear who is out of touch.  Once again - I have friends there too. When they came to Phuket, they noted while their areas had been impacted, relative to Phuket it was minor.

 

Anyone who goes down to Patong, Karon, Kata will know ....  there is nothing on the same scale of closure elsewhere in Thailand.

 

Edited July 4, 2021 by oldcpu

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, oldcpu said:

 

Once again - I have friends there to. When they came to Phuket, they noted while their areas had been impacted, relative to Phuket it was minor.

 

Anyone who goes down to Patong, Karon, Kata will know ....  there is nothing on the same scale of closure elsewhere in Thailand.

 

Samui, Pattaya?

[oldcpu]

1 minute ago, Bkk Brian said:

Here's what you said:

 

"Further, there are ZERO statistics provided by anyone on this thread of the % elderly not being vaccinated in Thailand.  Just a bunch of grumbling with stories.  I too have stories, where the elderly I know outside of Phuket have been vaccinated."

 

My link provides the response to that and that alone, good day to you...............

Yes - your link only came AFTER I posted.

 

Good day to you.

[oldcpu]

Just now, Bkk Brian said:

Samui, Pattaya?

I suspect Samui, an Island much SMALLER in scale than Phuket for tourism, was also hit hard like Phuket.   I support Samui being given help.

 

Pattaya - not as hard.  No where near as hard.  Pattaya had Bangkok visitors every weekend.   You are convincing me you are theorizing with no experience.

 

Two friends who live in Pattaya, who visited me, stated clearly nothing in Pattaya came close to the scale of what they saw in Kata, Karon, Patong for closures.   

[Bkk Brian]

4 minutes ago, oldcpu said:

I suspect Samui, an Island much SMALLER in scale than Phuket for tourism, was also hit hard like Phuket.   I support Samui being given help.

 

Pattaya - not as hard.  No where near as hard.  Pattaya had Bangkok visitors every weekend.   You are convincing me you are theorizing with no experience.

 

Two friends who live in Pattaya, who visited me, stated clearly nothing in Pattaya came close to the scale of what they saw in Kata, Karon, Patong for closures.   

"You are convincing me you are theorizing with no experience."

 

No I stated "Samui, Pattaya?" hardly theorizing or trying to convince you, the question mark should have given you a hint. As for no experience, you have no idea what my experience is in Thailand

Edited July 4, 2021 by Bkk Brian

[oldcpu]

7 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

"You are convincing me you are theorizing with no experience."

 

No I stated "Samui, Pattaya?" hardly theorizing or trying to convince you, the question mark should have given you a hint. As for no experience, you have no idea what my experience is in Thailand

Fair enough - then I misunderstood.  It was not a clear hint to me.  Just the opposite.  I thought you were trying to claim Pattaya was hit just as hard as Phuket.  It wasn't.

 

I believe Samui was likely hit just as hard per capita but on a smaller scale than Phuket (I think it something like 1/8th the nominal scale of Phuket (population/business) ? ) .. . However I have no direct discussions with people from Samui (unlike Pattaya where I have many). 

Edited July 4, 2021 by oldcpu

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, oldcpu said:

Fair enough - then I misunderstood.  It was not a clear hint to me.  Just the opposite.  I thought you were trying to claim Pattaya was hit just as hard as Phuket.  It wasn't.

 

I believe Samui was likely hit just as hard per capita but on a smaller scale than Phuket (I think it something like 1/8th the nominal scale of Phuket (population/business) ? ) .. . However I have no direct discussions with people from Samui (unlike Pattaya where I have many). 

I've not been to either of them so only go from the reports which paint a pretty dark picture, thats why I asked. As for Phuket I've lived here for over 15 years and already know how hard its been hit.

[Bkk Brian]

54 minutes ago, shdmn said:

You are wasting your time trying to use logic and reason on people cheerleading for failure, even if they have to invent their own facts to do it.

Would you care to point out exactly where I'm cheerleading for the failure of the Phuket Sandbox model or for that matter inventing facts? I look forward to your response.......

[Albert Zweistein]

12 hours ago, LittleBear57 said:

When we visited in May this year, the northern beaches were a bit scruffy, but most of the tourist beaches like Kata Nai Harn etc. were nice and Patong it has to be said with it's army of early morning cleaners was pristine.

It is now but never was before corona and will not be anymore once tourist are coming back in the same numbers.