Covid deaths in perspective

[Wuvu2]

In normal times there are an average of 65 road fatalities per day in Thailand (2019). In that year the Songkran “7 dangerous days” totaled  386 death on Thai roadways.

 

Thailand just hit 90 reported Covid deaths per day. That's one Covid death every 16 minutes. That number is rising fast and probably significantly under reported.

 

Welcome to Thailand - If you thought the minivan ride was scary just wait till you see our Coivd numbers ????

 

Edited July 11, 2021 by Wuvu2

[Yellowtail]

2 minutes ago, Wuvu2 said:

No not at all - I'm genuinely concerned.  I'm scared spitless most of the time on my motorbike - going by the numbers I should be more scared of dying of Covid these days ????

Why would you ride something that scared you spitless? 

 

 

[hotandsticky]

4 minutes ago, Wuvu2 said:

No not at all - I'm genuinely concerned.  I'm scared spitless most of the time on my motorbike - going by the numbers I should be more scared of dying of Covid these days ????

 

In Thailand I fear the roads more than Covid.

 

BOTH represent real risks with idiots causing most of the issues in both cases. 

[cclub75]

How old are you ?

 

And do you have health problem like diabetes, hypertension ? Are you obese ?

 

Throwing "deaths numbers" like this in the air is pointless.

 

Risks are not equal for everybody.

 

Last but not least : what is a "death from Covid" ?

 

A 80 years old with diabetes or heart problems... will be labelled "death from Covid", but it's more likely "death WITH Covid".

 

-Study the numbers in countries with a good reporting system : average age, median age, comorbidities for deaths and hospitalisations.

 

-Study the definition (what is a "death from Covid" in UK for instance ? Someone who had a positive PCR test 28 days max prior to death). What is a "positive case" ?

 

-Study the demographics and the ages structure (the simple aging of baby boomers... leads to higher deaths number every year, it's natural), the "harvesting effect" etc.

 

That's the only way to assess properly the situation.

 

The Covid situation is mainly fear mongering.

 

[Yellowtail]

2 minutes ago, cclub75 said:

How old are you ?

 

And do you have health problem like diabetes, hypertension ? Are you obese ?

 

Throwing "deaths numbers" like this in the air is pointless.

 

Risks are not equal for everybody.

 

Last but not least : what is a "death from Covid" ?

 

A 80 years old with diabetes or heart problems... will be labelled "death from Covid", but it's more likely "death WITH Covid".

 

-Study the numbers in countries with a good reporting system : average age, median age, comorbidities for deaths and hospitalisations.

 

-Study the definition (what is a "death from Covid" in UK for instance ? Someone who had a positive PCR test 28 days max prior to death). What is a "positive case" ?

 

-Study the demographics and the ages structure (the simple aging of baby boomers... leads to higher deaths number every year, it's natural), the "harvesting effect" etc.

 

That's the only way to assess properly the situation.

 

The Covid situation is mainly fear mongering.

 

It's not a hoax!

[Wuvu2]

11 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

It's not a hoax!

Of course it's not a hoax. It's killing significantly more people every day than driving accidents during Songkran.  All the idiots that think it's an insignificant threat don't have their thinking caps on straight.

[1FinickyOne]

32 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Why would you ride something that scared you spitless? 

 

 

Are you discounting just how really good water tastes when you are dehydrated? 

[Yellowtail]

25 minutes ago, 1FinickyOne said:

Are you discounting just how really good water tastes when you are dehydrated? 

One can be well hydrated and still have cotton-mouth....

[brewsterbudgen]

55 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

It's not a hoax!

You're quoting cclub75, but he/she didn't say Covid was a "hoax", just that the situation needs to be studied and look at rationally with some perspective.

Edited July 11, 2021 by brewsterbudgen

[Yellowtail]

5 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

You're quoting cclub75, but he/she didn't say Covid was a "hoax", just that the situation needs to be studied and look at rationally with some perspective.

 

Not sure what you're about, but sorry, anyone that has looked at it rationally knows it's not a hoax. 

[brewsterbudgen]

9 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

 

Not sure what you're about, but sorry, anyone that has looked at it rationally knows it's not a hoax. 

Correct; no one here has claimed that it is!

[Yellowtail]

35 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

Correct; no one here has claimed that it is!

I guess I do know what you're about after all....

[Scott Tracy]

23 hours ago, Wuvu2 said:

In normal times there are an average of 65 road fatalities per day in Thailand (2019). In that year the Songkran “7 dangerous days” totaled  386 death on Thai roadways

 

I did some.basic arithmetic. 386 divided by 7 is 55.14... Less than the normal average of 65.

 

Comparing covid deaths to road deaths is a little fanciful, I would suggest. How about comparing it to deaths caused by old age, heart attacks, cancer, flu?

[Wuvu2]

1 hour ago, Scott Tracy said:

 

I did some.basic arithmetic. 386 divided by 7 is 55.14... Less than the normal average of 65.

 

Comparing covid deaths to road deaths is a little fanciful, I would suggest. How about comparing it to deaths caused by old age, heart attacks, cancer, flu?

Covid is killing significantly more people every day  than road accidents during Songkran week. That should be a sobering thought to anyone that still believes the real risk is minor and that restrictions are unwarranted. 

[BritManToo]

15 minutes ago, Wuvu2 said:

Covid is killing significantly more people every day  than road accidents during Songkran week. That should be a sobering thought to anyone that still believes the real risk is minor and that restrictions are unwarranted. 

Stay at home and never go out.

Then you've ZERO risk from COVID and road accidents!

....... if only I could order alcohol over the internet ........

Edited July 12, 2021 by BritManToo

[Joinaman]

23 hours ago, Wuvu2 said:

Of course it's not a hoax. It's killing significantly more people every day than driving accidents during Songkran.  All the idiots that think it's an insignificant threat don't have their thinking caps on straight.

any numbers on how many ex pats have died from Covid ?

[Joinaman]

1 hour ago, Scott Tracy said:

 

I did some.basic arithmetic. 386 divided by 7 is 55.14... Less than the normal average of 65.

 

Comparing covid deaths to road deaths is a little fanciful, I would suggest. How about comparing it to deaths caused by old age, heart attacks, cancer, flu?

compare these to Covid ? 

That would show how few, in comparison, are dying from/with Covid 

[Yellowtail]

31 minutes ago, Wuvu2 said:

Covid is killing significantly more people every day  than road accidents during Songkran week. That should be a sobering thought to anyone that still believes the real risk is minor and that restrictions are unwarranted. 

The risk is real, but why assume the restrictions significantly reduce the risk? 

 

It's like thinking that punishing the poor when they buy energy will significantly reduce climate change.

 

Had nothing been done, more people would have died but we'd have been done with it by now. 

 

[NoshowJones]

50 minutes ago, Joinaman said:

any numbers on how many ex pats have died from Covid ?

Or you could ask, does anyone here on Asean Now know of any ex pats who have died from this virus?

[Yellowtail]

16 minutes ago, possum1931 said:

Or you could ask, does anyone here on Asean Now know of any ex pats who have died from this virus?

Around the world or just in Thailand? 

 

In any event, there are a number of people that have suffered and or died as a result covid that never had the virus, but we don't really care about them, right?

 

Edited July 12, 2021 by Yellowtail
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[Joinaman]

9 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Around the world or just in Thailand? 

 

In any event, there are a number of people that have suffered and or died as a result covid that never had the virus, but we don't really care about them, right?

 

In Thailand ???

Number of people who have suffered and died from flu, pneumonia , heart attacks, road accidents, etc, etc, but we don't care about them, or constantly hype up the media about them either 

[Rimmer]

A troll post trying to drag Trump into the topic has been removed

[NoshowJones]

21 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Around the world or just in Thailand? 

 

In any event, there are a number of people that have suffered and or died as a result covid that never had the virus, but we don't really care about them, right?

 

Sorry, I should have said Thailand.

[Yellowtail]

3 minutes ago, possum1931 said:

Sorry, I should have said Thailand.

And I think it safe to assume by "the virus" you meant Covid 19 and it's variants, not just any virus yes?

 

(just kidding)

 

[NoshowJones]

4 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

And I think it safe to assume by "the virus" you meant Covid 19 and it's variants, not just any virus yes?

 

(just kidding)

 

I don't use that name for the virus. I always use what I consider the proper name, but cannot on this forum.

[jomtienisgood]

On 7/11/2021 at 11:51 AM, 1FinickyOne said:

Are you discounting just how really good water tastes when you are dehydrated? 

I never drink good water, only coffee and Sang Som. 5555

[homeseeker]

From a non-Thai perspective surely the real issue is:

From the total number of Covid fatalities in Thailand, how many deaths are foreigners?

Does anyone know?

Edited July 12, 2021 by homeseeker

[Yellowtail]

24 minutes ago, homeseeker said:

From a non-Thai perspective surely the real issue is:

From the total number of Covid fatalities in Thailand, how many deaths are foreigners?

Does anyone know?

Yes, someone knows.

 

The real issue is determining who that might be and asking them. 

[1FinickyOne]

2 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

more people would have died but we'd have been done with it by now

and all 3 of you could begin repopulating the world... 

[ericthai]

On 7/11/2021 at 12:29 AM, cclub75 said:

How old are you ?

 

And do you have health problem like diabetes, hypertension ? Are you obese ?

 

Throwing "deaths numbers" like this in the air is pointless.

 

Risks are not equal for everybody.

 

Last but not least : what is a "death from Covid" ?

 

A 80 years old with diabetes or heart problems... will be labelled "death from Covid", but it's more likely "death WITH Covid".

 

-Study the numbers in countries with a good reporting system : average age, median age, comorbidities for deaths and hospitalisations.

 

-Study the definition (what is a "death from Covid" in UK for instance ? Someone who had a positive PCR test 28 days max prior to death). What is a "positive case" ?

 

-Study the demographics and the ages structure (the simple aging of baby boomers... leads to higher deaths number every year, it's natural), the "harvesting effect" etc.

 

That's the only way to assess properly the situation.

 

The Covid situation is mainly fear mongering.

 

fear mongering??  It's not just the deaths it's the use of the health care system too. My brother works in the healthcare system in the USA. They were overwhelmed with patients, working massive over time to keep up. bed shortages - sure it's just fear mongering.  Two of my good friends from school died. One was 51 in perfect health, went to the gym, no health issues. He got covid ended up in the hospital for 4 months before he died. Another friend did have health issues. He got covid and sadly died too.  Health issues increase your risk allot, but you can still die from covid if you are in perfect health.