Hundreds of Thai medical workers infected despite Sinovac vaccinations

[jojothai]

A short time ago I have seen that this was reported on Reuters today.

 

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/hundreds-thai-medical-workers-infected-despite-sinovac-vaccinations-2021-07-11/

Edited July 11, 2021 by jojothai
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[RubbaJohnny]

A tragic and long lasting loss at the hour of need.

So not joining Covvax, controlling imports is not working. Time to prove at least health workers sufficient protection which looks like 2 x mRNA .

 

R.I.P. to the dead and their loved ones, time for those who wish to lead to step up and do the necessary.

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Actually, if you read the text of article those numbers in and of themselves look very good.

"BANGKOK, July 11 (Reuters) - Thailand's health ministry said on Sunday more than 600 medical workers who received two doses of China's Sinovac vaccine (SVA.O) have been infected with COVID-19, as authorities weigh giving booster doses to raise immunity.

Of the 677,348 medical personnel who received two doses of Sinovac, 618 became infected, health ministry data from April to July showed. A nurse has died and another medical worker is in critical condition.

An expert panel has recommended a third dose to trigger immunity for medical workers who are at risk, senior health official Sopon Iamsirithawon, told a news briefing on Sunday"

 

Of course,  it covers from April to July, Delta only began to seriously feature as a threat in June. And that was in Bangkok and vicinity mainly. So it's hard to know what to make of this article.

[gk10012001]

It is clear that most people do not understand these vaccines.  They were never designed nor expected by the manufacturers to prevent getting infected.  Anybody can carry the virus for some amount of time.  They were designed to limit the effects of the virus.  Just as this article says, of the 600 thousand with this vaccine, one died, and  one is in critical condition, 600 became infected.  I am sure that if they tested any other group that got one of the other vaccines they would probably find similar numbers.  And, I doubt they tested all 600 thousand of this group.  They only tested a small percentage, probably the ones that showed some symptoms.  I doubt there were 600 thousand viable testing kits even available.

Edited July 11, 2021 by gk10012001
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[Mickeymaus]

This is a general problem with any vaccine. They people don't know how much protection they will have afterwards. The immune response is not the same for everyone. Most believe they are fully protected and have enough antibodies. Could be a very bad mistake for some. But hard to know if you are one of them. Does anyone check this after the vaccinations?! I don't think so... Let's hope the best.

[jojothai]

49 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Actually, if you read the text of article those numbers in and of themselves look very good.

"BANGKOK, July 11 (Reuters) - Thailand's health ministry said on Sunday more than 600 medical workers who received two doses of China's Sinovac vaccine (SVA.O) have been infected with COVID-19, as authorities weigh giving booster doses to raise immunity.

Of the 677,348 medical personnel who received two doses of Sinovac, 618 became infected, health ministry data from April to July showed.

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So it's hard to know what to make of this article.

Whether the numbers are good or bad will relate to how many of them have been tested. Many will be asympotomatic because they had the vaccine.

If you consider that thailand may have probably only been testing say one in ten to twenty people then there could be more like 6000 to 12,000 of them infected.

Still that would only be near 1 to 2%

Not perhaps as bad as it could be, but still a drain on resources.

So the recommemdation of further doses mRNA appears to have good reason.

Question then is the safety of giving the further doses mixing vaccines.

Edited July 11, 2021 by jojothai
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2 minutes ago, jojothai said:

Whether the numbers are good or bad will relate to how many of them have been tested. Many will be asympotomatic because they had the vaccine.

If you consider that thailand may have probably only been testing say one in ten to twenty people then there could be more like 6000 to 12,000 of them infected.

Still that would only be near 1 to 2%

Not perhaps as bad as it could be, but still a drain on resources.

So the third dose being recommemded appears to make sense.

Well, if they're asymptomatic, on an individual level it doesn't really matter. What does matter is that asymptomatic health care workers could still spread the virus to patients. Although, generally speaking, if you're asymptomatic, your viral load is low.

[FridgeMagnet1]

3 hours ago, placeholder said:

Actually, if you read the text of article those numbers in and of themselves look very good.

"BANGKOK, July 11 (Reuters) - Thailand's health ministry said on Sunday more than 600 medical workers who received two doses of China's Sinovac vaccine (SVA.O) have been infected with COVID-19, as authorities weigh giving booster doses to raise immunity.

Of the 677,348 medical personnel who received two doses of Sinovac, 618 became infected, health ministry data from April to July showed. A nurse has died and another medical worker is in critical condition.

An expert panel has recommended a third dose to trigger immunity for medical workers who are at risk, senior health official Sopon Iamsirithawon, told a news briefing on Sunday"

 

Of course,  it covers from April to July, Delta only began to seriously feature as a threat in June. And that was in Bangkok and vicinity mainly. So it's hard to know what to make of this article.

Of course he didn’t read the article. That’s not the age we live in. 

[FridgeMagnet1]

3 hours ago, jojothai said:

Whether the numbers are good or bad will relate to how many of them have been tested. Many will be asympotomatic because they had the vaccine.

If you consider that thailand may have probably only been testing say one in ten to twenty people then there could be more like 6000 to 12,000 of them infected.

Still that would only be near 1 to 2%

Not perhaps as bad as it could be, but still a drain on resources.

So the recommemdation of further doses mRNA appears to have good reason.

Question then is the safety of giving the further doses mixing vaccines.

How are asymptomatic people a drain on resources?

[gk10012001]

On 7/11/2021 at 1:23 PM, Mickeymaus said:

This is a general problem with any vaccine. They people don't know how much protection they will have afterwards. The immune response is not the same for everyone. Most believe they are fully protected and have enough antibodies. Could be a very bad mistake for some. But hard to know if you are one of them. Does anyone check this after the vaccinations?! I don't think so... Let's hope the best.

And most did NOT get tested before getting the vaccine.  A high percentage probably had the virus already and may have their own immunity, or limited immunity ... Just don't know.  If one already had the virus, is a vaccine necessary?  Why?  What basis would one decide one way or the other?  Take a vaccine that has not gone through the normal process for development, testing and approval, and that is only approved for emergency use?  These vaccines are much much cheaper to manufacture than traditional vaccines that require growth mediums, then several other steps. This RNA stuff is something the big Drug companies would love to be able to keep making and selling going forward for COVID and other bugs

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4 hours ago, gk10012001 said:

And most did NOT get tested before getting the vaccine.  A high percentage probably had the virus already and may have their own immunity, or limited immunity ... Just don't know.  If one already had the virus, is a vaccine necessary?  Why?  What basis would one decide one way or the other?  Take a vaccine that has not gone through the normal process for development, testing and approval, and that is only approved for emergency use?  These vaccines are much much cheaper to manufacture than traditional vaccines that require growth mediums, then several other steps. This RNA stuff is something the big Drug companies would love to be able to keep making and selling going forward for COVID and other bugs

Can you please share with us what steps were skipped in the development of the Biontech, Moderna, and Astra-Zeneca vaccines?

[misterjames]

Every thread about vaccine u find the same clowns defending Sinovac like it's their job:D 

 

It's getting amusing.

 

 

Edited July 13, 2021 by misterjames