BE88 Posted July 14, 2021 Share Posted July 14, 2021 37 minutes ago, placeholder said: So we go from "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence" to "Absence of evidence is evidence". Or "No A =A" Tell me, given your criteria, how is it possible to disprove your assertion? If you want to know more about confidential information, I will at least send you this which is public https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-021-24577-9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placeholder Posted July 14, 2021 Share Posted July 14, 2021 47 minutes ago, BE88 said: If you want to know more about confidential information, I will at least send you this which is public https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-021-24577-9 This article is about suppressing mutations. Nothing about side effects. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Hammer2021 Posted July 14, 2021 Share Posted July 14, 2021 13 hours ago, JoePai said: Dream on, there is no vaccine with a 100% guarantee Smallpox? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Hammer2021 Posted July 14, 2021 Share Posted July 14, 2021 15 hours ago, Blumpie said: It's utterly useless. I think there is 10 million or so due there shortly by the way. You are wrong and telling lies. It is less effective not utterly useless. You don't appear able to read 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
misterjames Posted July 14, 2021 Share Posted July 14, 2021 5 minutes ago, The Hammer2021 said: You are wrong and telling lies. It is less effective not utterly useless. You don't appear able to read If it drops antibody levels by 50% every 40 days then it is utterly useless after 80 days. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soikhaonoiken Posted July 14, 2021 Share Posted July 14, 2021 Well, Well Mr P, you've gone and done it again, waisted millions of Baht, waisted time getting the virus under control,, and worse still you continue to put the lives of Thai people at risk... Shame on you..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nojohndoe Posted July 14, 2021 Share Posted July 14, 2021 6 minutes ago, misterjames said: If it drops antibody levels by 50% every 40 days then it is utterly useless after 80 days. Really? Or is it that a 50% loss every 40 days can be extrapolated at an incremental decay rate lasting a little longer? I would sincerely hope for those who have had what is now apparent false assurance of even minimal health security against C-19 will be provided one way or other a more effective level of protection. It is not so difficult to minimize risk for many but Health workers in all capacities are now likely to be compromised. In effect....Square 1 ! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrJ2U Posted July 14, 2021 Share Posted July 14, 2021 10 hours ago, Isaan sailor said: Anything to delay the arrival of Pfizer/Moderna. Yes, frustrating everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrJ2U Posted July 14, 2021 Share Posted July 14, 2021 45 minutes ago, The Hammer2021 said: You are wrong and telling lies. It is less effective not utterly useless. You don't appear able to read It's not effective against the Delta variant. It wasn't very good against the Alpha at the beginning. Now there going to mix and match vaccines. WHO strongly recommends against this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LosLobo Posted July 14, 2021 Share Posted July 14, 2021 3 hours ago, misterjames said: Not saying this happened but there has been official Chinese government documents submitted on research into viruses that target certain races for 10 years at least (that we know of). (This is not a conspiracy the documents are out there as sky news reports) "This is not a conspiracy the documents are out there as sky news reports" It's not a conspiracy because it comes from Rupert Murdoch? That is refreshing! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
misterjames Posted July 14, 2021 Share Posted July 14, 2021 24 minutes ago, LosLobo said: "This is not a conspiracy the documents are out there as sky news reports" It's not a conspiracy because it comes from Rupert Murdoch? No it's not a conspiracy because the Chinese government actually submitted those documents to the United Nations. That is a fact. Nice try though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maestro Posted July 14, 2021 Share Posted July 14, 2021 Removed an incomprehensible post and the replies to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FridgeMagnet1 Posted July 14, 2021 Share Posted July 14, 2021 1 hour ago, misterjames said: If it drops antibody levels by 50% every 40 days then it is utterly useless after 80 days. But that’s not what happens The biggest drop in immunity with all vaccines is in the first few months after completion, but then it plateaus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
misterjames Posted July 14, 2021 Share Posted July 14, 2021 2 minutes ago, FridgeMagnet1 said: But that’s not what happens The biggest drop in immunity with all vaccines is in the first few months after completion, but then it plateaus. at 20%? do you have a source for this? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FridgeMagnet1 Posted July 14, 2021 Share Posted July 14, 2021 1 hour ago, MrJ2U said: It's not effective against the Delta variant. It wasn't very good against the Alpha at the beginning. Now there going to mix and match vaccines. WHO strongly recommends against this. No. That’s not true at all . https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/who-warns-against-mixing-matching-covid-vaccines-2021-07-12/ The WHO said it should be left to doctors to decide and not individuals. why are you desperately posting misinformation about Sinovac all over this forum? It’s not not Normal behavior Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FridgeMagnet1 Posted July 14, 2021 Share Posted July 14, 2021 1 minute ago, misterjames said: at 20%? do you have a source for this? All vaccines work like this, antibodies drop quickly then plateau Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
misterjames Posted July 14, 2021 Share Posted July 14, 2021 Just now, FridgeMagnet1 said: All vaccines work like this, antibodies drop quickly then plateau If you are going to claim that then you need to link to a source regarding the Sinovac plateau. 3 minutes ago, FridgeMagnet1 said: why are you desperately posting misinformation about Sinovac all over this forum? You have just accused another member of posting misinformation so please post a source to your claims? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FridgeMagnet1 Posted July 14, 2021 Share Posted July 14, 2021 3 minutes ago, misterjames said: If you are going to claim that then you need to link to a source regarding the Sinovac plateau. You have just accused another member of posting misinformation so please post a source to your claims? Gladly ”Now there going to mix and match vaccines. WHO strongly recommends against this.” this is completely false. What the WHO actually said was: “The World Health Organization's chief scientist has advised individualsagainst mixing and matching COVID-19 vaccines from different manufacturers, saying such decisions should be left to public health authorities” Do you understand? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placeholder Posted July 14, 2021 Share Posted July 14, 2021 It's just a very badly written article. It says every 40 days the antibodies declined by half but it doesn't tell the length of the experiment. The headline and lead paragraph don't really align with the text. Their antibody levels have dropped by half over an average of 40 days. The antibody levels of those fully inoculated after 60 days are lower than those fully inoculated for fewer than 60 days. The antibody levels within 60 days of the second dose are on a par with the efficacy of the vaccines against the original coronavirus variant, which is between 60-70% by average, but among those who are fully inoculated after 60 days, the efficacy of the vaccine dropped to 50%. From what I read of what the researcher actually wrote, it looks like the experiment lasted 60 days. It could be bad editing. Also, it could be a reporter who doesn't have a science background. It's a mess. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
misterjames Posted July 14, 2021 Share Posted July 14, 2021 2 minutes ago, FridgeMagnet1 said: Gladly ”Now there going to mix and match vaccines. WHO strongly recommends against this.” this is completely false. What the WHO actually said was: “The World Health Organization's chief scientist has advised individualsagainst mixing and matching COVID-19 vaccines from different manufacturers, saying such decisions should be left to public health authorities” Do you understand? I see no source for your claims regarding the Sinovac vaccine plateau in your reply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FridgeMagnet1 Posted July 14, 2021 Share Posted July 14, 2021 5 minutes ago, placeholder said: It's just a very badly written article. It says every 40 days the antibodies declined by half but it doesn't tell the length of the experiment. The headline and lead paragraph don't really align with the text. Their antibody levels have dropped by half over an average of 40 days. The antibody levels of those fully inoculated after 60 days are lower than those fully inoculated for fewer than 60 days. The antibody levels within 60 days of the second dose are on a par with the efficacy of the vaccines against the original coronavirus variant, which is between 60-70% by average, but among those who are fully inoculated after 60 days, the efficacy of the vaccine dropped to 50%. From what I read of what the researcher actually wrote, it looks like the experiment lasted 60 days. It could be bad editing. Also, it could be a reporter who doesn't have a science background. It's a mess. It’s the only study I’ve ever seen when the only figures quoted are from interviews with an actress and the wife of an actor. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placeholder Posted July 14, 2021 Share Posted July 14, 2021 Just now, FridgeMagnet1 said: It’s the only study I’ve ever seen when the only figures quoted are from interviews with an actress and the wife of an actor. I forgot about the part. It was so bizarre I guess I just blanked on it. It reads almost like a parody of an original that no longer exists or is remembered. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FridgeMagnet1 Posted July 14, 2021 Share Posted July 14, 2021 12 minutes ago, misterjames said: I see no source for your claims regarding the Sinovac vaccine plateau in your reply. Give me a minute, I’m looking from a quote from an interview with an actress that confirmed this 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
misterjames Posted July 14, 2021 Share Posted July 14, 2021 1 minute ago, FridgeMagnet1 said: Give me a minute, I’m looking from a quote from an interview with an actress that confirmed this That would not be considered a credible source. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FridgeMagnet1 Posted July 14, 2021 Share Posted July 14, 2021 4 minutes ago, misterjames said: That would not be considered a credible source. It was in the article we are discussing here, the one you put all your faith in 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted July 14, 2021 Share Posted July 14, 2021 (edited) 31 minutes ago, FridgeMagnet1 said: All vaccines work like this, antibodies drop quickly then plateau Really? Thats the first I've heard. So with Sinovac what does it drop to and plateau to? Where is the study on that? Edited July 14, 2021 by Bkk Brian 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
misterjames Posted July 14, 2021 Share Posted July 14, 2021 (edited) 9 minutes ago, FridgeMagnet1 said: It was in the article we are discussing here, the one you put all your faith in Via instagram? You must be joking, surely??:D Edited July 14, 2021 by misterjames Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riclag Posted July 14, 2021 Share Posted July 14, 2021 International Travel dilemma ! This is certainly not looking favorable for the sinovaccians ! Boosters in the near future , for those who wish to travel to countries who are already suspicious and skeptical of the vaccine from china imop ! That country from where the virus came from was counting on the vaccine's success around the world in their campaign to push their vaccine ! According to this article in Yahoo back in April, some experts from that country had doubts and suggested trying different vaccs ! Very little is mentioned about the concerns of the Chinese and their experts on the vacc's future, especially in dealing with the dreaded variant ! https://news.yahoo.com/official-chinese-vaccines-effectiveness-low-053640063.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly9kdWNrZHVja2dvLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAEv0IA2dRzZkT5uGOB4gYpEykFZD3B8UM3C3Lp3WbeMYc4X5KEhVc0Fi6i7XSYsV6tdugmM6uMtTlQbC9vGE9zcrn6XfiHiZNV6nUG5RJ5gcoWObJCMCf490T7Ict2VuNSUM0NLSCvQ-Fxt74QwthErNeCkbf3Y2Xlt0WftCzXXi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placeholder Posted July 14, 2021 Share Posted July 14, 2021 Re plateaus,, I did a brief search and found this. It's about immunity acquired after being infected, not vaccinated, but still... In the recent study published in Science, researchers at the Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai used a database of immune responses from 30,000 New Yorkers who tested positive for the coronavirus between March and October and monitored 121 volunteers over time. The researchers found that antibody responses peaked roughly two to three months after infection. And in 90 percent of the people who recovered, antibody levels subsequently dropped but remained stable for around five months, said Dr. Ania Wajnberg, an associate professor of medicine at the Icahn School of Medicine and a co-author of the Mount Sinai study. https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/covid-19-antibodies-diminish-over-time-experts-say-there-s-n1245524 Also, it goes on to quite Fauci who says declines in antibodies doesn't mean you aren't still protected. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
misterjames Posted July 14, 2021 Share Posted July 14, 2021 3 minutes ago, placeholder said: The researchers found that antibody responses peaked roughly two to three months after infection. For a start that post has nothing to do with Sinovac, secondly if it takes 3 months (90 days) for the antibody response to peak and Sinovac antibodies levels decline by 50% every 40 days. It doesn't take a maths phd to realise the antibody levels of a person injected with Sinovac would be zero:D 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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