Thailand’s 40 CEOs reject ‘Wuhan’ model, call on PM to control pandemic, provide compensations

[MaxYakov]

A lot of this angst could have been avoided if people had been wearing the correct type of mask that could really protect against airborne, aerosol particles and not this medical/surgical which was not designed specifically for external, small particle filtering and offers little protection and should not be worn for long periods. Oh well, live and learn (or not).

 

 

 

Edited July 22, 2021 by MaxYakov

[jacko45k]

12 hours ago, cmarshall said:

That's just your fantasy.   The virus has not come roaring back in China at all.  In fact, the cumulative count of Covid deaths per hundred thousand in China is just 0.35.  For comparison, the US has 185 and the UK 193.  There may have been some local outbreaks in China that caused the authorities to order a local lockdown, as happened also in Taiwan (3.25) and S. Korea (3.98), but there has been no uncontrolled outbreak in China.  

Nobody knows what is happening in China unless there... and by the way, Thailand is not China and is not using their approach. Take a look at the rest of the world..... say Australia, and if you believe that infections would not ramp up if they were not in a lockdown, you are part of the problem.

[cmarshall]

1 hour ago, jacko45k said:

Nobody knows what is happening in China unless there... and by the way, Thailand is not China and is not using their approach. Take a look at the rest of the world..... say Australia, and if you believe that infections would not ramp up if they were not in a lockdown, you are part of the problem.

You have a unique and impressive way of misunderstanding basic facts.  Of course, infections would ramp up in those parts of Australia that are in lockdown were it not for the lockdown.  That's why they locked down.  But then after a couple of months of lockdown the infection rate will drop to the point that the public health best practices (testing, isolations, contact tracing) can contain.  That's what happened in Melbourne.  

 

There are lots of ways of knowing what is going on in China.  There are some Western journalists there.  There is satellite imaging of hospital parking lots.  And lots of other ways.  If the virus were exploding in China the way it is in India or Brazil, they would not be able to hide that fact.  So, if you want to continue to believe in a fantasy for which there is no evidence just because you hate the Chinese, be my guest.  The rest of us prefer data.

[jacko45k]

19 minutes ago, cmarshall said:

You have a unique and impressive way of misunderstanding basic facts.

And you have gone off at at a tangent after my post relating to Wuhan style lockdowns being a suggestion for Thailand, and your coming back with a snide comment, 

[cmarshall]

46 minutes ago, jacko45k said:

And you have gone off at at a tangent after my post relating to Wuhan style lockdowns being a suggestion for Thailand, and your coming back with a snide comment, 

Your every post is entirely devoid of substance.  You deserve a more snide response than I am going to provide.

[NanLaew]

On 7/23/2021 at 5:49 AM, MaxYakov said:

A lot of this angst could have been avoided if people had been wearing the correct type of mask that could really protect against airborne, aerosol particles and not this medical/surgical which was not designed specifically for external, small particle filtering and offers little protection and should not be worn for long periods. Oh well, live and learn (or not).

 

 

 

The ability of Joe Public to wear the correct face mask incorrectly cannot be discounted from any debate of how we missed any silver bullet solution. Apart from that, the supply shortages that befell the regular medical/surgical mask would have been magnified if a more specialized mask had been deemed mandatory. Globally the FFP2 NR and N95 grade masks went out of stock a lot faster than the the standard ones.

[KamalaRider]

On 7/22/2021 at 1:17 PM, kiwikeith said:

All the world, is but a stage, and each and everyone but an actor, Donald Duck has left the stage now, geriatric ,Joe, is reading from notes, Vaccine companies are now saying /vaccinate pregnant women and children over 12, today in Fiji ,2 pregnant women died after been vaccinated, they saved the babies by casiserian . RNZ news today.

Thailand is in a dilemma, but I do not think the advised one worries.

Stop arguing ,the virus is everywhere. My guess it will taper in the next 6 months or, we will owe big pharma the world. 

Why oh why do people spread misinformation, the two women in question DID NOT die because of vaccination, they died of untreated Covid-19. They didn't get any shot of any vaccine. 

[KamalaRider]

On 7/22/2021 at 11:49 PM, MaxYakov said:

A lot of this angst could have been avoided if people had been wearing the correct type of mask that could really protect against airborne, aerosol particles and not this medical/surgical which was not designed specifically for external, small particle filtering and offers little protection and should not be worn for long periods. Oh well, live and learn (or not).

 

 

 

The kind of mask you are talking about, imagine 30-35 celcius, 85 to 92% humidity.  I personally would never use it, how to breathe? I would stay at home or never go to Thailand, where 99.9% of people are using useless masks outside their homes anyway. 

[KamalaRider]

On 7/22/2021 at 12:38 PM, cmarshall said:

You're another one ignoring reality.  Do an online search for Covid outbreaks in China.  Do you find stories about overloaded hospitals, resurgent death rates, or new daily infection rates at new highs?  No you don't, because it hasn't happened.  The Covid epidemic can and has been controlled by effective governments before the widespread availability of vaccines.   In addition to China, these include S. Korea, Taiwan, Viet Nam, New Zealand, Australia, Norway, and others.  The standard public health measures of testing, isolating positives, contact tracing, mask wearing, and social distancing continue to be effective despite all the hand-wringing about the latest strains of the virus.  The reason is that the transmission vector remains the same aerosolized droplets and that vector is disrupted by the public health measures.

 

Another one that believes what the communist China want the world to know, why are you blind to the fact that what the government want you to know is 90% lies, they have dispossed of whistle blowing doctors in the beginning. Get real, no one in their right mind believes anything from the Chinese. 

[lolalol]

40 CEOs? I see 25

[KamalaRider]

On 7/22/2021 at 12:57 PM, cmarshall said:

Sure we do.  We know how severe the restrictions were on people in Wuhan during the shutdown, e.g. one family member could go out of the house once every other day for a couple of hours to get food for the household, etc.  Very strict, but also very effective.  By the summer of 2020 they were holding mass parties in water parks in Wuhan, because the virus was eradicated.

 

If the truth were substantially different with hospitals overwhelmed and a shortage of coffins, etc. then we would have known just as we know that never happened in Thailand even if we don't fully trust the numbers reported by the Thai government.

 

For July 20, the Chinese government reported 65 new cases in the country.  That is not the return of the pandemic; that is just a blip that the Chinese government will manage.

Please don't make comments like, virus eradicated, you just give clear evidence that you have absolutely no knowledge about viruses. There's absolutely no virus ever existed that have been eradicated, mutated or dormant but never eradicated.

[KamalaRider]

On 7/22/2021 at 4:53 PM, Bkk Brian said:

Time to check again on per capita.

 

UK deaths per million = 1,888

Sweden deaths per million = 1,482

 

Your half the deaths is somewhat off base.

 

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

I've had a discussion with a trauma Covid-19 nurse working in a major hospital in Stockholm and the reported numbers of admitted patients where 98% of immigrants the first year. The reason could be that different cultures have different approach to social distancing. Now it seems like the people who never dies, they believe, age groups between 15 and 28 are over represented and the ones who believes Covid-19 is a hoax.

[cmarshall]

5 minutes ago, KamalaRider said:

Please don't make comments like, virus eradicated, you just give clear evidence that you have absolutely no knowledge about viruses. There's absolutely no virus ever existed that have been eradicated, mutated or dormant but never eradicated.

While it is true that it is more correct that China has effectively eliminated SARS-Cov2, rather than eradicated since eradication requires the complete disappearance of the virus, which is not the case.  Nevertheless, the fact that China reported that the July 20 new case count for the entire country of 1.4 billion people is just sixty-five cases is effectively total success.  There may be other local outbreaks in the future, but the Chinese government will continue to manage them with or without vaccines.  Even if severe criticism is warranted with respect to other actions of the Chinese government only a fool would fail to recognize their outstanding success in controlling Covid.

 

 

[KamalaRider]

4 minutes ago, cmarshall said:

While it is true that it is more correct that China has effectively eliminated SARS-Cov2, rather than eradicated since eradication requires the complete disappearance of the virus, which is not the case.  Nevertheless, the fact that China reported that the July 20 new case count for the entire country of 1.4 billion people is just sixty-five cases is effectively total success.  There may be other local outbreaks in the future, but the Chinese government will continue to manage them with or without vaccines.  Even if severe criticism is warranted with respect to other actions of the Chinese government only a fool would fail to recognize their outstanding success in controlling Covid.

 

 

You can not believe the Chinese reported numbers. It's a totalitarian government, they can't protrude themselves as humans with all faults and errors we humans possess. Please don't go their errands and report false statements. Just ignore whatever information they give. They will lie even if some objective reporter show true reports, that's what they do. 

[cmarshall]

5 minutes ago, KamalaRider said:

You can not believe the Chinese reported numbers. It's a totalitarian government, they can't protrude themselves as humans with all faults and errors we humans possess. Please don't go their errands and report false statements. Just ignore whatever information they give. They will lie even if some objective reporter show true reports, that's what they do. 

Thanks for an articulate statement of your simple-minded worldview and welcome to my ignore list.

[AndyFoxy]

11 minutes ago, cmarshall said:

Thanks for an articulate statement of your simple-minded worldview and welcome to my ignore list.

Nice maturity levels you got going on there. 

[KamalaRider]

4 hours ago, cmarshall said:

Thanks for an articulate statement of your simple-minded worldview and welcome to my ignore list.

I guess you are Chinese then.

[KamalaRider]

4 hours ago, cmarshall said:

Thanks for an articulate statement of your simple-minded worldview and welcome to my ignore list.

You know what the scientists say, when in doubt, the simplest deduction/solution is probably the correct one, so thanks, I gracefully accept your view of me. ????