Pattaya: Dead as a Dodo

[Leaver]

On 8/3/2021 at 7:29 PM, Mr Meeseeks said:

The girls can suss out if they like you in a bar

 

They just like the money.  They don't have to like the guy that pays it.

 

On 8/3/2021 at 7:29 PM, Mr Meeseeks said:

Picking guys up online is a lottery and higher risk for them. 

How so?

 

A guy who bar fines a girl from a bar, means the bar girl is on her own when she leaves the bar with him.  It's not like the customer in the bar handed over his passport to be photocopied when he paid the bar fine.

 

No difference in risk from online or bar fine.  Actually, given a device attached to the internet, and visas cards etc may be used, probably more chance of catching an online customer for wrong doing than a bar fine customer.  

[jacko45k]

3 hours ago, Leaver said:

How so?

 

A guy who bar fines a girl from a bar, means the bar girl is on her own when she leaves the bar with him.  It's not like the customer in the bar handed over his passport to be photocopied when he paid the bar fine

I think you might be wrong here. At least she has an opportunity to see the guy, even talk to him, in the bar. Maybe an opportunity to filter out the no-money types. His preliminary behaviour may throw out a few warnings. No such opportunity on-line. The girls have a bit of a network...

And she is not always on her own when she leaves bar.... with a phone available she can make a call.... i heave heard of 'boyfriends' arriving to help resolve issues. The biggest risk is likely the coconut bar.... but even then they often restrict to known short-time places..

 

 

[Leaver]

9 hours ago, jacko45k said:

I think you might be wrong here. At least she has an opportunity to see the guy, even talk to him, in the bar. Maybe an opportunity to filter out the no-money types. His preliminary behaviour may throw out a few warnings. No such opportunity on-line. The girls have a bit of a network...

And she is not always on her own when she leaves bar.... with a phone available she can make a call.... i heave heard of 'boyfriends' arriving to help resolve issues. The biggest risk is likely the coconut bar.... but even then they often restrict to known short-time places..

 

 

 

So, a guy walks into a bar, maybe has a drink, but maybe not, picks a girl and pays her bar fine.  No chatting, no lady drinks.  What opportunity for "filtering" was there?  Who is he?  Will he pay?  No passport required for a short time hotel.  

 

Of course the girl will have her phone.  I think non payment for services is not so common. 

 

In any case, on the apps, you chat via text, maybe do a video call, and I have arranged to meet in a bar, where she can "filter" me.  ????   

 

Take the Soi 6 live streams, for example.  Say a guy looks for a while and likes the appearance and moves of one of the girls on the live stream, he then sends the Nightwish group some type of electronic payment "bar fine" and the girl does an out call.  No difference to the girl working for herself, doing the same thing.  

[jacko45k]

24 minutes ago, Leaver said:

So, a guy walks into a bar, maybe has a drink, but maybe not, picks a girl and pays her bar fine.  No chatting, no lady drinks. 

Stop making up unlikely scenarios just because you want to argue. A person who picked a girl up in a bar has been recorded on a camera or two, he had to buy the girl a drink, he cannot simply barfine her. (LDs are a requirement in many bars now). Then you create scenarios that are far removed from the original discussion and Pattaya scene, it is called a non-sequitur. 

You even say you take a girl booked via internet to a bar to make her feel safer!

She already knows she is with a cheap Charlie who likes to avoid barfines and paying for LDs!

 

Soi 6 live streams only came about in Covid times, to make up for the absence of tourists and hence customers.. get mugs to  buy lady drinks from miles away, nothing to do with booking girls like take away meals!

 

 

 

 

Edited August 7, 2021 by jacko45k

[Leaver]

55 minutes ago, jacko45k said:

Stop making up unlikely scenarios just because you want to argue.

I'm not.  I seen this many times on Soi 6 and in gogo's.  Maybe the guy bar fined the girl the night before, or they have some history, I don't know, but I have seen it.

 

55 minutes ago, jacko45k said:

A person who picked a girl up in a bar has been recorded on a camera or two,

 

True.

 

55 minutes ago, jacko45k said:

he had to buy the girl a drink, he cannot simply barfine her. (LDs are a requirement in many bars now).

 

First I've heard of this.  Can you name some bars with this policy?

 

55 minutes ago, jacko45k said:

You even say you take a girl booked via internet to a bar to make her feel safer!

 

No.  You are misquoting me.

 

I arrange to meet them in a bar.  

 

55 minutes ago, jacko45k said:

She already knows she is with a cheap Charlie who likes to avoid barfines and paying for LDs!

 

No.  There are many pretty ones working for themselves on the apps.  I've keep a couple for long time after meeting them, and paid accordingly, not to mention, drinks and dinner.  

 

55 minutes ago, jacko45k said:

Soi 6 live streams only came about in Covid times, to make up for the absence of tourists and hence customers.. get mugs to  buy lady drinks from miles away, nothing to do with booking girls like take away meals!

 

Correct, but I only gave it as an example. 

 

Say the guy wasn't miles away, and was in Pattaya.  He can go to the bar she is live streaming from, or just do a video chat.  She can then go to see him, either for an hour, or for the night.  

 

Girls were working off apps before covid.  It's nothing new.  With lock downs, I think covid has accelerated the use of apps by the girls.  

 

You say using apps would be like ordering "take away meals" but how much chatting takes place in soapy - zero.  How much chatting takes place when you pick a massage girl with extras - zero.  On the apps you can chat by text and video before arranging to meet. 

 

 

Edited August 7, 2021 by Leaver

[jacko45k]

11 hours ago, Leaver said:

You say using apps would be like ordering "take away meals" but how much chatting takes place in soapy - zero.

I have come across the LD requirement policy a few times...Pinups I believe was one, even saw it in a beer bar....on LKM.

 

Why would you arrange to meet a girl in a bar, often they are not allowed in as non workers there? 

 

In soapies you can ask the girl to come sit by you for a few moments to chat if so desired. They and MPs are not usually take out places and are hence irrelevant to the discussion. As was your example reference to Soi 6 bars, irrelevant  to the discussion. 

 

I give up, you are on ignore.

 

 

[Leaver]

15 hours ago, jacko45k said:

I have come across the LD requirement policy a few times...Pinups I believe was one, even saw it in a beer bar....on LKM.

 

Why would you arrange to meet a girl in a bar, often they are not allowed in as non workers there? 

 

In soapies you can ask the girl to come sit by you for a few moments to chat if so desired. They and MPs are not usually take out places and are hence irrelevant to the discussion. As was your example reference to Soi 6 bars, irrelevant  to the discussion. 

 

I give up, you are on ignore.

 

 

 

Not need to take it personally, jacko.  It's just some internet banter.  

 

Apps like Tinder have been in operation for a long time.  What makes you think an app, or apps, won't be used by sex tourists here, but for payment, not a free hook up?

 

We've already seen AirBnb in operation here, and apps similar to Uber / Grab.  

 

Perhaps I should clarify.  When I say I have arranged to meet them in a bar, I don't mean beer bars.  They have been bars like Retox, for example.  The girls I have decided to go long time with, we have then moved on to live music bars and beer bars and never had a problem.  The bar is still selling two drinks.  

 

Not sure how "a few moments" chat with a soapy girl is anything better than a video chat with a girl from an app.  My point being, a customer picks a girl in the fish bowl, and 10 minutes later they are in to it.  

 

In my opinion, the next generation of monger will be more tech savvy than my generation.  Just like taxis learnt the hard way, bars here will need to keep up with the digital age, or go out of business.  

 

It's not like the use of these apps came about due to covid.  They were around way before covid.  

 

When you see some of the stunning girls on them, it's not like you are Cheap Charlie for using apps.  Maybe it's the girls that will dictate the popularity of the apps in the future.  If the pretty ones are doing good business on them, who does that leave working in a bar?  

[Rimmer]

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[kwonitoy]

On 8/3/2021 at 11:37 PM, morrobay said:

That's a two way street. That's why I always just arrange only for a massage initially so I can suss her out for the next level. Yesterday this girl visited: profile 48 kg. I weighed her at 56 kg. 

 

 

 

 

 

Do you pay by the kilo?

[thaibeachlovers]

15 hours ago, Leaver said:

In my opinion, the next generation of monger will be more tech savvy than my generation. 

There may not be a next generation. I'm not young enough to be part of it, but seems to me that the younger generation have no problem getting it for free. The occasional conversation I had indicated that sex was a given, rather than something that had to be grovelled for. Perhaps some on here know more about it than I?

[thaibeachlovers]

On 8/7/2021 at 11:02 PM, Leaver said:

You say using apps would be like ordering "take away meals" but how much chatting takes place in soapy - zero.  How much chatting takes place when you pick a massage girl with extras - zero.  On the apps you can chat by text and video before arranging to meet. 

Would anyone with a brain cell believe anything on media to be accurate? IMO everyone lies to make themselves appear better than they are.

Also, there is a new on line scam where women seduce men into doing something embarrassing, then blackmail them.

The last place I'd be chatting to someone in prospect of a hook up is on line.

[scubascuba3]

21 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

There may not be a next generation. I'm not young enough to be part of it, but seems to me that the younger generation have no problem getting it for free. The occasional conversation I had indicated that sex was a given, rather than something that had to be grovelled for. Perhaps some on here know more about it than I?

The thing is it's not really for free when you pay for dinner etc and do ground work, also younger people get older

[thaibeachlovers]

22 minutes ago, scubascuba3 said:

The thing is it's not really for free when you pay for dinner etc and do ground work, also younger people get older

I agree, but try telling young people that. They won't believe you.

 

By the time they get old, I don't think the P4P scene will exist. Hopefully by then sexbots will be a reality.

[scubascuba3]

41 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I agree, but try telling young people that. They won't believe you.

 

By the time they get old, I don't think the P4P scene will exist. Hopefully by then sexbots will be a reality.

Except covid has kept Thailand poor for another 10-20 years so I can't see the P4P disappearing anytime soon

[Leaver]

2 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

There may not be a next generation. I'm not young enough to be part of it, but seems to me that the younger generation have no problem getting it for free. The occasional conversation I had indicated that sex was a given, rather than something that had to be grovelled for. Perhaps some on here know more about it than I?

 

What I meant was, the next generation grew up with computers and the internet.  When they are in their 50's, and beyond, they would have been using smart phones and apps for most of their life.   We all know they how are glued to social media.    There will be zero degree of difficultly for them to make an account and pay for a subscription and start using an app.  Not so for a guy currently in his 60's.  

 

Also, in my opinion, the work ethic of the next generation is not so great.  If it's easier to to meet a girl on an app than go bar hopping, they'll take the easy way.  

 

I'm predicting the use of apps will have an impact on the lady drink and bar fine business model here in the future.  It was happening pre covid.  To what degree that impact will be, I am unsure, but it will be interesting to see.  Happy to listen to those that disagree.  

 

 

 

[redwood1]

6 minutes ago, Leaver said:

 

What I meant was, the next generation grew up with computers and the internet.  When they are in their 50's, and beyond, they would have been using smart phones and apps for most of their life.   We all know they how are glued to social media.    There will be zero degree of difficultly for them to make an account and pay for a subscription and start using an app.  Not so for a guy currently in his 60's.  

 

Also, in my opinion, the work ethic of the next generation is not so great.  If it's easier to to meet a girl on an app than go bar hopping, they'll take the easy way.  

 

I'm predicting the use of apps will have an impact on the lady drink and bar fine business model here in the future.  It was happening pre covid.  To what degree that impact will be, I am unsure, but it will be interesting to see.  Happy to listen to those that disagree.  

 

 

 

I can't see Bamboo Bar ladies using a app....They dont start getting pretty till after you have had 2-3 beers.....

[Leaver]

3 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Would anyone with a brain cell believe anything on media to be accurate? IMO everyone lies to make themselves appear better than they are.

Also, there is a new on line scam where women seduce men into doing something embarrassing, then blackmail them.

The last place I'd be chatting to someone in prospect of a hook up is on line.

 

I'm sure you are aware of the thousands of successful dating apps, all around the world.  These apps have lead to some happy marriages.  Do you consider them dangerous to use?

 

My experience here was the girls were happy to send photos and video call.  The girls I saw in the photos and video chatted with were the girls that arrived.  

 

Out of lock down, or post covid, would I go completely digital, no.  Just saying, that it will be impacting on the lady drinks and bar fine business model in the future.  

[Leaver]

37 minutes ago, redwood1 said:

I can't see Bamboo Bar ladies using a app....They dont start getting pretty till after you have had 2-3 beers.....

 

If / when the apps gain in popularity, it may be the case all the pretty girls are on apps, leaving not so attractive girls in the bars. 

 

Perhaps the actions of the girls will determine the success, or lack of it, for apps here in the future.    

[Gottfrid]

[Mickeymaus]

1 hour ago, Leaver said:

 

I'm predicting the use of apps will have an impact on the lady drink and bar fine business model here in the future.  It was happening pre covid.  To what degree that impact will be, I am unsure, but it will be interesting to see.  Happy to listen to those that disagree.  

 

I talked to an entertainer that worked in bars before and now uses the Internet. She told me that she will not work in a bar again. On the Internet she is her own boss and can work when she wants. Made sense to me. 

[Leaver]

4 hours ago, Mickeymaus said:

I talked to an entertainer that worked in bars before and now uses the Internet. She told me that she will not work in a bar again. On the Internet she is her own boss and can work when she wants. Made sense to me. 

 

Yes, and if it's a quiet night, she can freelance out of a bar for lady drinks and bar fines, for those still willing to pay them.   Of course, she'll be checking her phone often for incoming messages from potential customers.   She also gets the social interaction that another member mentioned the girls like.    

 

She can work on websites like Only Fans and then go and freelance, or work online until a customer comes in on various apps.  

 

She can also advertise herself for the girlfriend experience for fly in 2 week millionaires.  

 

We know Thai's like to copy a successful business model, so many will hear from girls doing well online and will probably give it a try.  

[Espanol]

8 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

By the time they get old, I don't think the P4P scene will exist.

P4P has existed thousands of years and will continue as long as old fat rich men want to play with young beautiful girls.

 

Edited August 9, 2021 by Espanol

[Espanol]

On 8/8/2021 at 5:32 PM, Leaver said:

Apps like Tinder have been in operation for a long time.  What makes you think an app, or apps, won't be used by sex tourists here, but for payment, not a free hook up?

 

We've already seen AirBnb in operation here, and apps similar to Uber / Grab.  

 

May be asking for food in Food Panda is comfortable and cheap, but people will continue going outside to food courts and restaurants, having a look to real food and selecting the one that they prefer.

 

There is a big difference between going out to have dinner and staying at home and asking for a pizza.

 

Edited August 9, 2021 by Espanol

[Leaver]

12 minutes ago, Espanol said:

 

May be asking for food in Food Panda is comfortable and cheap, but people will continue going outside to food courts and restaurants, having a look to real food and selecting the one that they prefer.

 

There is a big difference between going out to have dinner and staying at home and asking for a pizza.

 

 

I understand what you are saying, but you are assuming a tourist will stay in his hotel room, summons a girl on an app, meet her in the lobby of his hotel, then go to his hotel room with her for an hour, and that's all.  Whilst this may happen, I don't think that will be the norm.

 

A tourist might start chatting with a girl from an app and arrange to meet at a bar, live music venue, maybe even a restaurant, if he has decided on long time with her.  

 

The message chatting and video calls can take place in his hotel room, or on the beach, or in a bar.  A little like internet dating, but with a certain outcome for the tourists, because she is a hooker. 

 

This may be a more easy and convenient way to meet girls, rather than bar hopping and watching the girl drink her lady drink in 2 minutes, and all the other associated BS that comes with the bars and bar girls.  Guy can chat to a few different girls on the apps, and then pick one they like, either for short time, or long time.

 

I'm not suggesting apps will replace Thai girls working in bars.  I am suggesting the use of apps will grow in popularity, as the old and tired lady drink and bar fine business model here fails to attract pretty girls, and new mongers.  As I have suggested, perhaps they can co-exist, to some degree, but I can definitely see a market for apps here in the future.   

 

As I said in another post, it's basically Tinder, but the guy pays, and we all know how big Tinder is.

 

Once again, happy to discuss opposing views.  

[soi3eddie]

On 7/23/2021 at 7:09 AM, Broken Record said:

I think Casinos are a certainty, new condos and Malls are still being built, investments of billions of baht, they are not doing this for nothing, they are not doing this in the hope that sex tourists from the likes of the UK come here to get drunk for 2 weeks in Soi 6.

I believe that people who are investing Billions of Baht probably have some insider knowledge of the future plans for a new Pattaya, and those plans won't be factoring in the old demographic.

 

Can't see that puritanical Gen. Prayut will allow casinos unless there is some rather large incentives. Never say never but now that the submarines are sunk it may just come to pass. 

 

[Leaver]

32 minutes ago, soi3eddie said:

Can't see that puritanical Gen. Prayut will allow casinos unless there is some rather large incentives.

 

Would his family having shares in one be a large incentive?"  ????  

[SCOTT FITZGERSLD]

Pattaya is a crime  city from head to toe, City that thrived on selling poor woman's vaginas,

attracting all sorts of low life shady sexpats from all dark corners of the planet,

and the faster and harder it will die - the better !!!

[jazzdog32095]

I have never really understood the notion that the sex business contributed that much to the economy.

The trickle down was just that, a trickle, spread across thousands of bars and bargirls. So much competition left the average bar owner living hand to mouth along with the girls. Follow the money, and your not talking affluent travelers, basically goes from sexpat to cheap hotel, bars, cheap restaurants and girls. Then most of the money goes to 7-11 or Makro. There is way more to the picture.

[soi3eddie]

4 hours ago, Leaver said:

 

Would his family having shares in one be a large incentive?"  ????  

Probably many millions or even billions of "incentives" might be large enough ???? 

[morrobay]

5 hours ago, jazzdog32095 said:

I have never really understood the notion that the sex business contributed that much to the economy.

The trickle down was just that, a trickle, spread across thousands of bars and bargirls. So much competition left the average bar owner living hand to mouth along with the girls. Follow the money, and your not talking affluent travelers, basically goes from sexpat to cheap hotel, bars, cheap restaurants and girls. Then most of the money goes to 7-11 or Makro. There is way more to the picture.

More to the picture: your forgetting all the other not so cheap development/developers that initially came into Pattaya riding piggyback  on the sex industry. Golf and so on. There is a reason Bang San beach, sattahip, are not attracting development like Pattaya