Had 2 Phizer vacs but tested positive for Covid

[Rowdyman]

I rarely post messages on ThaiVisa (I think 6 times) but thought I had something to share that some may find interesting.  I spend only 6 weeks in SE Asian in a year and only 10 days of this time is in Thailand.  I am a 75 year old male living full time in San Diego CA and spend considerable time at my home in Mazatlan Mexico.  I stayed away from Mexico until I was fully vaccinated (Feb, 2021), at which time I started flying again from Tijuana, MX to Mazatlan at least once a month.  I took the usual precautions ie face mask, social distancing, staying away from crowds as much as I could.  Regardless, I developed very mild symptoms in May of headache, chills, fever (only 99.8), nasel congestion/runny nose, sweating, insomnia, all mild by the way and lasted about 6 days.  All symptoms very mild and I wrote it off as just a seasonal cold or flu.  Then 3 days ago got the same symptoms again but now mild to moderate symptoms.  I tested positive for Covid yesterday.  Though so much more needs to be learned from about this virus and the effect of the vaccinations on the virus, my doctor says there is no doubt that without the vaccine I would be in the hospital now fighting for my life.  I tend to agree, as I concentrate on the symptoms it just seemed that the virus was just trying so hard to move down from my nasel passages to my throat and then chest but was blocked by the vaccine.  My doctor and I discussed my symptoms in May and then recently what I am experiencing now and he thinks there is a chance I was infected with two different variants but just speculating.  I probably will share my experiences with Phizer just to see if they might learn something or even recommend a booster.  Just in case you are wondering, I believe that I was infected both times on the flight to or from Mexico.  Jam packed, shoulder to shoulder.  Finally the reason for this post is for those that are on the fence whether to get or not get the vacs, do think it through carefully because death is so final.

[VocalNeal]

Yet more proof , as if we needed it as it is common knowledge, that a vaccine will not stop infection. Simply reduce the symptoms.

[OneMoreFarang]

5 minutes ago, VocalNeal said:

Simply reduce the symptoms.

And that is the most important part. If we all would be infected but all of us would have no or only mild symptoms then Covid wouldn't be a problem anymore.

[bartender100]

In the UK, which has just about no restrictions masks are now voluntary , pubs and clubs are open normally as are sports events and festivals. I notice more people around me testing positive, many have little or no symptoms, while the rest are ill for about 10 days and then go about the life normally

 

The UK vaccine roll out has been one of the best in the world and its working, we had a 3rd wave spike caused by the football they say, but now cases are dropping fast, because the football caused under 40s who had been reluctant to get the jab some form of immunization though catching it

 

I think Australia and New Zealand are going to have problems longer than anyone if they don't try for some kind of herd immunity, only 13% of Australians are vaccinated so far

 

The experts are saying the Pandemic will be behind us in the UK by October

[mfd101]

The vaxes - all of them, but some rather better than others - do MORE than reduce the symptoms.

 

They all reduce the chances of catching the virus. They all - as stated - reduce the symptoms and thereby reduce the chances of having to go to hospital and thereby reduce the chances of ICU and thereby reduce the chances of dying from the virus.

 

But it's about probability not certainty. There's no guarantees, just like crossing the road or running down the stairs at home.

 

Edited July 27, 2021 by mfd101

[EricTh]

Then there are some people and some media who is spreading misinformation that only Sinovac is not effective in preventing infection and that Pfizer and Astrazeneca are effective.

 

I have said many times, whatever vaccines won't prevent you from being infected, you will stay get infected but the symptoms will be milder.

 

Your immune system is fighting the virus and not the vaccines.

 

 

Edited July 27, 2021 by EricTh

[EricTh]

8 minutes ago, bartender100 said:

In the UK, which has just about no restrictions masks are now voluntary , pubs and clubs are open normally as are sports events and festivals. I notice more people around me testing positive, many have little or no symptoms, while the rest are ill for about 10 days and then go about the life normally

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https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk/

 

It is not 'dropping fast', just look at the chart. Once the Delta variant become the dominant variant in UK, the cases will rise again in UK.

 

What is the dominant variant in UK now?

 

 

[ChristianBlessing]

Thanks for sharing this experience. Yesterday I read a lengthy article on so-called "breakthrough" infections, regarding how and why they occur, and why we would do well not to panic.

 

We knew early on that the best protection with the mRNA vaccines would be around 93%, so no surprise that 7-8% of those vaccinated with Pfizer or Moderna might become infected. We have also learned that the Delta variant results in many thousands of times more virus in the nasal passage, increasing the possibility of re-infection. Interestingly, the article recommended that for this very reason, those fully vaccinated do not get tested again unless they experience more severe symptoms.

 

Take care, stay safe, and maybe take your chances driving to Mazatlan.

[NanLaew]

25 minutes ago, bartender100 said:

...because the football caused under 40s who had been reluctant to get the jab some form of immunization though catching it...

Now that has got to qualify for the 'weird science' post of the day award.

[Gulfsailor]

15 minutes ago, EricTh said:

 

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk/

 

It is not 'dropping fast', just look at the chart. Once the Delta variant become the dominant variant in UK, the cases will rise again in UK.

 

What is the dominant variant in UK now?

 

 

Delta has been the dominant variant in the UK for 2 months already. 

[Upnotover]

19 minutes ago, EricTh said:

 

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk/

 

It is not 'dropping fast', just look at the chart. Once the Delta variant become the dominant variant in UK, the cases will rise again in UK.

 

What is the dominant variant in UK now?

 

 

[bkk6060]

The biggest idiots I think are the people when asked about the vaccines say:  "I am still doing my research".

 

What exactly research is that?  I asked a guy here in Pattaya I know this question and he responded:  I am looking into things..  Yeah buddy, you are looking at yourself going into ICU.

I guess they think they will figure out something that the best scientists and medical professionals in the world don't already know?

Seems really stupid thinking.

Edited July 27, 2021 by bkk6060

[2 is 1]

37 minutes ago, mfd101 said:

The vaxes - all of them, but some rather better than others - do MORE than reduce the symptoms.

 

They all reduce the chances of catching the virus. They all - as stated - reduce the symptoms and thereby reduce the chances of having to go to hospital and thereby reduce the chances of ICU and thereby reduce the chances of dying from the virus.

 

But it's about probability not certainty. There's no guarantees, just like crossing the road or running down the stairs at home.

 

Yeah only death is 100% sure! But i rather take that over 90% chance not need to go ICU or die!

[Scrotobike]

Let me see - a plan - give the vaccines to those who will get so sick they will die, immunize those, no problem with hospitals filling up with the very sick, then treat Covid like any other Flu type problem with annual jabs for the old and vulnerable.

 

Sounds like the UK - who did not prioritize its HISO, holiday resorts or production centers?

 

Not rocket science is it?

[watthong]

As he is laying in a hospital bed, being treated for Covid, an anti-vaxxer still "I'm gonna go through this... don't shove it (their agenda of getting you vaccinated) down my throat."  @ 3:40

 

 

[WhiteBuffaloATM]

The “ important point” here is that if you are fully western vaxed, at any age, with any condition,with any Variant, you will NOT DIE or even be Hospitalized

 

 

 

[mfd101]

6 minutes ago, WhiteBuffaloATM said:

The “ important point” here is that if you are fully western vaxed, at any age, with any condition,with any Variant, you will NOT DIE or even be Hospitalized

 

 

 

Your certainty is touching but it would be closer to reality to say: ... You probably won't die and quite likely won't need to be hospitalized.

[WhiteBuffaloATM]

I am referencing US FDA final trial figures, and other western research, giving near or actual 100% protection from death or hospital case. for all western vax, for all variants. 

 

Better Odds anyway than “ probably” (>51%) or “ quite likely” (%?).......

 

I’m really just throwing this post out there as an “absolute” for other data 

to qualify or moderate this critical simple understanding......if we DO have this 100% Protection ( at astronomically small risk),  this should remove all vax fears and hasten western vax completions, which hastens herd immunity. 

 

The irrational vax fear in civilized countries like USA and France is quite shocking.........

[Captain Monday]

1 hour ago, VocalNeal said:

Yet more proof , as if we needed it as it is common knowledge, that a vaccine will not stop infection. Simply reduce the symptoms.

Simply he is 75 and not dead. 

[cjinchiangrai]

It is very simple, the vaccine will not kill you but covid will. You don't really need to do much more thinking than that.

 

[AwwYesNice1]

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do think it through carefully because death is so final.

Any proof Sahib?

[DavisH]

1 hour ago, EricTh said:

 

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk/

 

It is not 'dropping fast', just look at the chart. Once the Delta variant become the dominant variant in UK, the cases will rise again in UK.

 

What is the dominant variant in UK now?

 

 

Delta is dominamt now and has been fir some time (it cased their most recent wave) . It is mainly infecting those that are not vaccinated. But there is a trend now for more people who are vaccinated to become infected, as antibody levels decrease over time. This is particularly noticeable in Israel which appears to be starting a new wave, despite high vaccination rates. Deaths, as expected, are still very low though. 

[Antonymous]

1 hour ago, bkk6060 said:

The biggest idiots I think are the people when asked about the vaccines say:  "I am still doing my research".

 

What exactly research is that?  I asked a guy here in Pattaya I know this question and he responded:  I am looking into things..  Yeah buddy, you are looking at yourself going into ICU.

I guess they think they will figure out something that the best scientists and medical professionals in the world don't already know?

Seems really stupid thinking.

There are many people researching COVID-19 and not all the relevant findings are splashed across the MSM. Couple of snippets here for example:

 

Data presented to the Israeli Health Ministry July 13, 2021, and reported in Israel National News July 13, 2021 revealed that, of the more than 7,700 COVID-19 cases reported since May 2021, only 72 occurred in people who had previously had COVID-19 — a rate of less than 1%. In contrast, more than 3,000 cases — or approximately 40% — occurred in people who had received a COVID-19 vaccine.

 

In other words, those who were vaccinated were nearly 700% more likely to develop COVID-19 than those who had natural immunity from a prior infection — and this is largely in response to the Delta variant, which has led to increasing infections in Israel.

Reuters July 13, 2021

 

It was reported two weeks ago that 100 fully injected crew members had tested positive onboard the British Defense aircraft carrier HMS Queen Elizabeth. The Navy ship has a case rate of 1 in 16 — the highest case rate recorded. This suggests vaccine-induced herd immunity is impossible, as these injections apparently cannot prevent COVID-19 even if 100% of a given population gets them.

 

You can read about that here:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/07/14/covid-outbreak-aboard-hms-queen-elizabeth-strikes-100-sailors/

 

I expect we’ll find much more data similar to this in the months to come. You may have to dig deep to find it being reported however.

[bartender100]

1 hour ago, NanLaew said:

Now that has got to qualify for the 'weird science' post of the day award.

Under 40s have much less chance of serious illness

[bartender100]

12 hours ago, EricTh said:

 

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk/

 

It is not 'dropping fast', just look at the chart. Once the Delta variant become the dominant variant in UK, the cases will rise again in UK.

 

What is the dominant variant in UK now?

 

 

As I said dropping fast

 

"Covid's grip on the UK is 'all over bar the shouting', a senior minister has said tonight.

Virus cases plunged for a seventh straight day today and are now barely half the level seen just a week ago."

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9832455/As-Covid-cases-fall-seventh-day-row-UK-seeing-light-end-tunnel.html

[BritManToo]

11 hours ago, bkk6060 said:

The biggest idiots I think are the people when asked about the vaccines say:  "I am still doing my research".

 

What exactly research is that?  I asked a guy here in Pattaya I know this question and he responded:  I am looking into things..  Yeah buddy, you are looking at yourself going into ICU.

I guess they think they will figure out something that the best scientists and medical professionals in the world don't already know?

Seems really stupid thinking.

Guy in the OP had worse symptoms with 2 vaccinations than I had with none.

Maybe if he'd had no vaccinations, his symptoms would have been less, or he'd be dead.

But who can tell which, it's all assumptions?

[mtls2005]

Well, some 1.5 mm doses of Pfizer are due tomorrow, donation from the U.S.A.

 

Just a fraction of what's needed, but maybe enough to keep some elderly, medicos, military and upper-crusts from succumbing.

 

Interesting that even these medicos are liable to become (re-) infected, and thus unable to provide any health care duties while in quarantine themselves. I guess that helps?

 

I love the personal stories, and thank you for sharing, but what we really need are vaccines. Once we're all vaccinated we can trade stories about beating back COVID.

 

 

[NanLaew]

16 hours ago, WhiteBuffaloATM said:

I am referencing US FDA final trial figures, and other western research, giving near or actual 100% protection from death or hospital case. for all western vax, for all variants. 

 

Better Odds anyway than “ probably” (>51%) or “ quite likely” (%?).......

 

I’m really just throwing this post out there as an “absolute” for other data 

to qualify or moderate this critical simple understanding......if we DO have this 100% Protection ( at astronomically small risk),  this should remove all vax fears and hasten western vax completions, which hastens herd immunity. 

 

The irrational vax fear in civilized countries like USA and France is quite shocking.........

Absolutes? In life? Now that's irrational.

[NanLaew]

17 hours ago, bartender100 said:

The experts are saying the Pandemic will be behind us in the UK by October

Fortunately for us, not all the experts are on the same bus.

 

I would wager on a happy (or happier) Easter 2022.

[WhiteBuffaloATM]

nanlaew: Read Again. I was proposing a hypothetical absolute model inviting challenge and modification. Absolutes exist everywhere “ in life”; marriage, age, pregnancy, location, matters of record; list is endless.....