30 minutes ago, pattaya1234was said:

I agree that the hospital system is swamped-why else are new hospitels being opened up in Pattaya? It may not be that Pattaya hospitals are swamped but those in neighbouring towns are.

So the swamped hospital patients are not so sick that they should be admitted to the nearby ‘unswamped’ Pattaya Hospitals? 

Makes one wonder if they calculate recoveries on a weekly basis and infections on a daily. Doesn´t stand anything about that, does it? ????

 

When there is information about a certain day, only infections and recoveries stands in the fat sentence.

Edited August 21, 20215 yr by Gottfrid

5 minutes ago, Olmate said:

You obviously have no understanding of proceedures in place for folk released back into community!

This may or may not be the case. Perhaps you can outline these proceedures. I remember another poster saying, I think it was his brother in law, was sent home from hospital not fully recovered. I have said before that recovered patients increased by 100% almost overnight. I would like to know how this happened. Something must have changed. Releases went from 11k to >20k in less than a week.

24 minutes ago, NanaSomchai said:

Yes; Go back to your own country?

The border with Laos remains closed and requires quarantine both sides, so not practical.

17 minutes ago, Olmate said:

You obviously have no understanding of proceedures in place for folk released back into community!

Can you enlighten us please.

3 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

This may or may not be the case. Perhaps you can outline these proceedures. I remember another poster saying, I think it was his brother in law, was sent home from hospital not fully recovered. I have said before that recovered patients increased by 100% almost overnight. I would like to know how this happened. Something must have changed. Releases went from 11k to >20k in less than a week.

The release from hospital is merely the first step in a long process of self isolation ,monitoring, testing ,home quarantine and if moving provinces the quarantine home isolation requirement starts all over again.

Very distressing images of inside a cardboard city field hospital, with a patient fighting for life and chaos ensues with an emergency resuscitation attempt. I'm really not sure with these official numbers on those in critical care when its obvious hospitals are full and there are not enough beds available. 

 

Click link to view

 

"Disturbing images from state's Busarakham Hospitel & its cardboard beds. #Thailand #WhatsHappeningInThailand #COVID19 #โควิด19 #โควิด19 #ป photo ht Bomza Patuk via Maem Phodum"

 

https://twitter.com/PravitR/status/1428738119906467843

 

Edited August 21, 20215 yr by Bkk Brian

1 minute ago, Olmate said:

The release from hospital is merely the first step in a long process of self isolation ,monitoring, testing ,home quarantine and if moving provinces the quarantine home isolation requirement starts all over again.

Ah! But is says recovered. If recovered and one can't be half recovered so it must mean fully recovered why is this necessary? You are either recovered or not. Being that these measures are in place it can only mean that patients are being released from hospital care not fully recovered and hence to label these people as recovered is simply not the case. I have posited before that recoveries and I believe these to be true recoveries ran at about 50% of admissions. From this one can postulate then that from the 'new' recovered numbers around 50% are indeed not fully recovered and to label them as such is pure deception.

 

A troll post has been removed. 

57 minutes ago, anchadian said:

Deaths linked to Covid-19 among unvaccinated patients were over 100 times higher compared to those who have been inoculated, the Department of Disease Control (DDC) said

 

DDC deputy director-general Dr Sophon Iamsirithavorn said on Friday that from July 25 to August 19, 63.8 per cent of total Covid-19 deaths -- 2,969 people -- were those who had not been vaccinated against Covid-19.

 

“Only 26 deaths, or 0.6 per cent of total fatalities, were patients who had got two vaccine doses, which are significantly lower,” he said.

 

https://www.nationthailand.com/in-focus/40005043

63.8% of deaths are unvaccinated 

00.6% of deaths are vaccinated.

 

something seems missing here. 

Meanwhile I hear an expert at Chulalongkorn Hospital warned of a "ticking time bomb" for those who had their second Sinovac vaccine dose some time ago, and recommended booster shots due to a drop in immunity levels.

14 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Very distressing images of inside a cardboard city field hospital, with a patient fighting for life and chaos ensues with an emergency resuscitation attempt. I'm really not sure with these official numbers on those in critical care when its obvious hospitals are full and there are not enough beds available. 

 

Click link to view

 

"Disturbing images from state's Busarakham Hospitel & its cardboard beds. #Thailand #WhatsHappeningInThailand #COVID19 #โควิด19 #โควิด19 #ป photo ht Bomza Patuk via Maem Phodum"

 

https://twitter.com/PravitR/status/1428738119906467843

 

It’s unclear if this is some ad hoc wing of a hospital, or some field hospital as used in Thailand for asymptomatic infected individuals.

2 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Meanwhile I hear an expert at Chulalongkorn Hospital warned of a "ticking time bomb" for those who had their second Sinovac vaccine dose some time ago, and recommended booster shots due to a drop in immunity levels.

How long is ‘some time ago?’

17 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Disturbing images from state's Busarakham Hospitel & its cardboard beds

Not to mention Twitter post of protest control. Shocking.

1 hour ago, anchadian said:

Deaths linked to Covid-19 among unvaccinated patients were over 100 times higher compared to those who have been inoculated, the Department of Disease Control (DDC) said

 

DDC deputy director-general Dr Sophon Iamsirithavorn said on Friday that from July 25 to August 19, 63.8 per cent of total Covid-19 deaths -- 2,969 people -- were those who had not been vaccinated against Covid-19.

 

“Only 26 deaths, or 0.6 per cent of total fatalities, were patients who had got two vaccine doses, which are significantly lower,” he said.

 

https://www.nationthailand.com/in-focus/40005043

 

41 minutes ago, Kadilo said:

Is that an indication that the Sinovac vaccine may be providing a higher protection against the Delta variant than was first thought.? 

More than a indication . Living proof .

3 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

It’s unclear if this is some ad hoc wing of a hospital, or some field hospital as used in Thailand for asymptomatic infected individuals.

The new facility, known as Busarakham Hospital, is located at the Challenger Hall in Muang Thong Thani, Nonthaburi province. It is manned with 780 medical personnel, who will take turns operating there. In the initial stage, the hospital has 1,092 beds, and the capacity can be expanded to 5,000 beds.

The setting up of the new facility is intended to provide quick treatment to COVID-19 cases in order to reduce the number of deaths and serious illness.

 

https://thailand.prd.go.th/mobile_detail.php?cid=4&nid=11234

32 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

The border with Laos remains closed and requires quarantine both sides, so not practical.

Are you and your wife both only Lao citizens? If you're a citizen of a Western country, you should check the vaccine eligibility policy for your country. In Canada and the US at least, the vaccines are plentiful and anyone is eligible regardless of nationality or legal status.

 

Mandatory quarantines are a pain if your destination country requires one, but if you can stay at <destination> for 3-4 months, you might be able to ride it out long enough that Thailand changes their entry requirements. And anyway, there's quality of life to consider as well. I flew back to Vancouver last week and am enjoying the quality of life improvement since there are significantly fewer restrictions here now - don't even have to wear a mask anymore! ????. And Thailand will get there too, but it might be a few months yet. Just something to consider.

Edited August 21, 20215 yr by The Cipher

1 hour ago, Kadilo said:

Now over 8% received double dose and on schedule to complete 70% of people by Mid Feb at current rates of vaccination. 

Excellent news and great effort by all those Nurses and front line volunteers. 
 

https://covidvax.live/en/location/tha

 

Agree on the effort; 2,226,326 doses administered over the past 4 reporting periods.

 

But...

 

Those with Sinovac 2X will require a third shot, or so the "authorities" tell us.

 

So the 70% figure, 50 mm people with 100 mm actually becomes ~ 125 mm doses.

 

And that Feb date assumes a decent supply of vaccine and willing patients, and maintaining the current rate, which seems challenging. Supplies of AZ and SV and SPh are limited.

 

 

Edited August 21, 20215 yr by mtls2005

10 minutes ago, Kadilo said:

How long is ‘some time ago?’

You could always seek out the article in B.P. and discover that, but a good clue is that Thailand only started jabbing health workers in March and obviously they would be the first, some time after that it would have been the other groups

Edited August 21, 20215 yr by Bkk Brian

8 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

63.8% of deaths are unvaccinated 

00.6% of deaths are vaccinated.

 

something seems missing here. 

The 35.6 % who are vaccinated with only one shot!

4 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Ah! But is says recovered. If recovered and one can't be half recovered so it must mean fully recovered why is this necessary? You are either recovered or not. Being that these measures are in place it can only mean that patients are being released from hospital care not fully recovered and hence to label these people as recovered is simply not the case. I have posited before that recoveries and I believe these to be true recoveries ran at about 50% of admissions. From this one can postulate then that from the 'new' recovered numbers around 50% are indeed not fully recovered and to label them as such is pure deception.

 

The hospital process for infected patients is very elaborate with lung, oxygen and PCR tests. Only after patients are tested negative they allowed to be released. They also required to be self isolate for about 10 days as a precaution. Don’t think hospitals will release still infected patient and face possible lawsuit or bad PR should the infected patient caused negative repercussion. 

1 hour ago, pattaya1234was said:

I agree that the hospital system is swamped-why else are new hospitels being opened up in Pattaya? It may not be that Pattaya hospitals are swamped but those in neighbouring towns are.

Also the mass shipping of Issan people back to fill the hospitals here - thousands....

9 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

It’s unclear if this is some ad hoc wing of a hospital, or some field hospital as used in Thailand for asymptomatic infected individuals.

Fair sure an asymtomatic person would't be receiving CPR or wearing a nasal cannula.

12 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Ah! But is says recovered. If recovered and one can't be half recovered so it must mean fully recovered why is this necessary? You are either recovered or not. Being that these measures are in place it can only mean that patients are being released from hospital care not fully recovered and hence to label these people as recovered is simply not the case. I have posited before that recoveries and I believe these to be true recoveries ran at about 50% of admissions. From this one can postulate then that from the 'new' recovered numbers around 50% are indeed not fully recovered and to label them as such is pure deception.

 

That depends entirely on when they are officiallyreleased, surely after the steps I mentioned have been finalised. Perhaps TR can tell us in the case of his step daughter? 

5 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

You could always seek out the article in B.P. and discover that, but a good clue is that Thailand only started jabbing health workers in March and obviously they would be the first, some time after that it would have been the other groups

So same advice that is being given in other places like the UK then who will use a different vaccine but will require a booster. 

15 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

63.8% of deaths are unvaccinated 

00.6% of deaths are vaccinated.

 

something seems missing here. 

Quite right unless you work for say TAT for example.

19 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Ah! But is says recovered. If recovered and one can't be half recovered so it must mean fully recovered why is this necessary? You are either recovered or not. Being that these measures are in place it can only mean that patients are being released from hospital care not fully recovered and hence to label these people as recovered is simply not the case. I have posited before that recoveries and I believe these to be true recoveries ran at about 50% of admissions. From this one can postulate then that from the 'new' recovered numbers around 50% are indeed not fully recovered and to label them as such is pure deception.

 

I had a back operation a few years ago, it's certainly better than it was, though I will never be the same again.

 

Am I recovered, or do you think I should head back to the hospital?

29 minutes ago, Olmate said:

The release from hospital is merely the first step in a long process of self isolation ,monitoring, testing ,home quarantine and if moving provinces the quarantine home isolation requirement starts all over again.

I would like to second what Dinsdale posted.  "Release" is not the same thing as "recovered".   

 

Once again, in my opinion, another sleight-of-hand with the statistics.  Call those who have been released "recovered", and don't count those with positive antigen tests.  Separate those in the prison system.  What else am I missing?

  

3 minutes ago, Kadilo said:

So same advice that is being given in other places like the UK then who will use a different vaccine but will require a booster. 

No very different actually, timeframe wise and category of people needing boosters first. Robust studies are lacking for Sinovac with delta

Edited August 21, 20215 yr by Bkk Brian

Rapid test are not included in the offcial number - but - these people need to take another PCR test the next day (or 2 or 3 days) and if positive then will be included in the following days figures as confirmed cases. Are people missing this part of the equation they harp on about rapid tests being invalid and not taken into account in official numbers.