3 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Finally..............................however they are doing it to boost the confidence of incoming tourists, how about a thought for the people who actually live in Phuket

 

Public Health teams to test 25,000 Phuket locals in bid to boost confidence

 

The Public Health Ministry will send Comprehensive Covid-19 Response (CCR) teams to Phuket to test up to 25,000 people in a bid to boost tourists’ confidence, the ministry’s deputy permanent-secretary Dr Yongyos Thammawut said on Sunday.

“Nine CCR teams from regional public health offices 11 and 12 will be dispatched from September 21 to 23,” he said. “They will test up to 25,000 Phuket residents for Covid-19. Those who test positive but are asymptomatic will be sent into the home-isolation system, while symptomatic patients will be admitted to hospital.”

Yongyos said with these tests, tourists visiting under the Phuket Sandbox scheme can rest assured they are safe from contracting Covid-19 from locals.

 

https://www.nationthailand.com/in-focus/40006385

What about BKK then? 25,000 represents around 1/3 of the population of Phuket. If this is what it takes to boost confidence and assure people that they are safe from contracting Covid-19 then add two zeroes for testing BKK. 

Just now, dinsdale said:

What about BKK then? 25,000 represents around 1/3 of the population of Phuket. If this is what it takes to boost confidence and assure people that they are safe from contracting Covid-19 then add two zeroes for testing BKK. 

Its not that much, Phuket's population is around 500k

15 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

As I said. End of this year early nxt year which is when many of us on here thought there would be an openning up. Not next month with by then maybe 70-75% of the population not being double vaxed.

Yes of course.
As always “many of you “predicted it spot on. 

45 minutes ago, Kadilo said:

Yes especially the regular  “no one will be coming here until end 2022/3/4 brigade”
 

Now they claim  a moral victory if the opening gets delayed for 2 weeks til mid October. 

Well I’m not on this thread as much as you but I’ve never seen anyone claim it would be end of 2022/3/4 before anyone comes here, would you care to provide something to back up your claims?
 

I also see nobody claiming moral victories, a very immature remark.

3 hours ago, TooMuchTime said:

It is a good sample size to see the trend.  You learn this in a basic stats class.

 

3 hours ago, dinsdale said:

0.06% is a good sample size?

It would be a very good sample size if a statistical sampling procedure were applied. No such procedure is applied so it cannot be considered as a valid sample.

Today there were 106 deaths in #Thailand 64 males & 42 females Burmese (3) Age range is 28-96 years 70% of deaths aged 60+ Most deaths in Bangkok (22)

 

https://twitter.com/ThaiNewsReports/status/1439826883156213763

 

Out of 11,840 local cases (not in prisons) Bangkok 2,831 Samut Prakan 942 Chonburi 532 Rayong 451 Yala 440 Ratchaburi 424 Nakhon Si Thammarat 338 Songkhla 334 Nonthaburi 329 Samut Sakhon 325 #Thailand

 

https://twitter.com/ThaiNewsReports/status/1439826898926727172

 

4 minutes ago, anchadian said:

Today there were 106 deaths in #Thailand 64 males & 42 females Burmese (3) Age range is 28-96 years 70% of deaths aged 60+ Most deaths in Bangkok (22)

 

https://twitter.com/ThaiNewsReports/status/1439826883156213763

 

I'm not sure I would call 30% under 60 a minority as a previous poster says the majority of those who die are old. Still I guess you could call 49% a minority. Nevertheless Delta is claiming the lives of a larger number of young people than the previous variants. I wish they would report vaccination status.

Off topic posts about India, Sweden, Australia have been removed also replies, the topic is about Thailand:

 

COVID-19: Thailand reports again decreasing coronavirus cases and deaths

2 hours ago, JonnyF said:

Nobody is claiming it's going away on it's own, that's a straw man.

 

Thailand is doing millions of vaccinations each week now. I suppose that has nothing to do with it?

 

Only Pokemon wandering around The Matrix seriously believes vaccinations don't make a huge difference. That's a dangerous and irresponsible message for you lockdown fanatics to be sending out.

  

 

 

 

Vaccinations at this point do not explain much of Thailand's slow decline in cases.  The most vaccinated provinces still have elevated case rates.  What's more, many, many people have received second-rate vaccines.  The restrictions (such as they are) explain Thailand's slow decline in cases.  Lockdowns -- even semi-lockdowns -- work.  And thankfully, the government is backing down on its ill-conceived "plan" -- championed by the mindless COVID deniers here -- of simply opening everything up and watching what happens while grinning.

 

The COVID-deniers will simply have to learn to live with semi-lockdowns for several more months to come.

 

 

 

 

5 hours ago, anchadian said:

Chonburi Public Health Office is reporting 532 new cases today and 2 deaths. Most new cases are in Chonburi City (131), Si Racha (101), and Bang Lamung/Pattaya (134). There are 13,391 patients in care #COVID19 #โควิดวันนี้ #Thailand

 

https://twitter.com/ThaiNewsReports/status/1439736958721220609

Further details:

https://thepattayanews.com/2021/09/20/chonburi-new-and-confirmed-cases-of-covid-19-drop-to-532-with-2-new-deaths/

The Nation Photo: Vaccination of Sinopharm started today for students aged 10-18 years from schools in Greater Bangkok. 108,000 students have registered so far and the VACC 2 School project is expected to be completed by mid-October #Thailand

 

https://twitter.com/ThaiNewsReports/status/1439835159465914368

 

rom the confirmed cases: - 10,962 were found via walk-in tests at medical facilities - 1,736 via proactive tests at known clusters - 11 imported cases 11,125 people have recovered in the past 24 hours

 

https://twitter.com/ThaiEnquirer/status/1439837333516210194

11 minutes ago, anchadian said:

The Nation Photo: Vaccination of Sinopharm started today for students aged 10-18 years from schools in Greater Bangkok. 108,000 students have registered so far and the VACC 2 School project is expected to be completed by mid-October #Thailand

 

https://twitter.com/ThaiNewsReports/status/1439835159465914368

 

Correct me if I'm wrong but I think I remember it being said that all students would recieve pfizer.

I have removed some negative emoticons from members posts that were unwarranted and were  reported, please understand placing an excessive amount of negative emoticons on another member posts is trolling, it is also baiting and stalking, so you need to stop this silly form of sparring before it leads to suspensions.

A total of 44.7 million Covid vaccines were administered between February 28 - September 19, including 29 million first doses, 15.1 million second doses & 621,462 third-booster shots.

 

256,392 people were vaccinated on Sunday. #โควิด19วันนี้ #Thailand #Covid19 #วัคซีนโควิด

 

https://twitter.com/ThaiEnquirer/status/1439839460317810692

3 hours ago, brewsterbudgen said:

That's what makes this thread manageable!  The previous day's thread disappears...  Imagine if we could go back and look at some of the comments made on it back in April/May/June/July!  A lot of posters must hope that their posts have disappeared forever!

End of April peaked at 2,200

End of May peaked at 4,000

End of June peaked at 4,390

End of July peaked at 15,800

 

I'd say many of those posters were correct and have their posts to prove it as we know those numbers sky rocketed from July also

Public health officials in Chiang Mai are reportedly providing Covid-19 jabs to guesthouse owners before the province opens to visitors on October 1.

 

As of Monday, more than 500 guesthouse operators and staff had been jabbed in the Lam Chang community.

Community leader Weerawit Saengchak, however, believes reopening Chiang Mai will be impossible if people in all 13 key tourism communities have not received both their shots.

He also said restaurants, cafes, car rental shops and other tourism-related businesses in Lam Chang community are ready to reopen.

 

https://www.nationthailand.com/in-focus/40006394

 

Yet only 19% of the general population in Chaing Mai has been double vaxxed

They are giving Sinopharm to 10 year olds here? I thought it was announced before that it was to be for 12 years up

 

Sinopharm Vaccine Offered to Children

 

BANGKOK, Sept 20 (TNA) – The Chulabhorn Royal Academy (CRA) gave the COVID-19 vaccine made by Sinopharm to 2,000 children aged 10-18 at three schools under a research project, hoping to promote the administration of the vaccine for children in addition to the Pfizer vaccine.

 

CRA administered the Sinopharm vaccine for students at Satriwithaya School, Roong Aroon Learning Center and Santisuk School with its expectation that the Food and Drug Administration will also approve the administration of the Sinopharm vaccine for children in addition to the COVID-19 vaccine developed by Pfizer which was the only COVID-19 vaccine that the FDA endorsed for administration with children.

 

https://tna.mcot.net/english-news-784118

It is easy to quote figures, The reality is that Covid is still rife and the people are still suffering,

3 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

There's a study here:

 

Real-World Evidence Against ‘Herd Immunity’ (through broad infection) Approach to #COVID19 Pandemic, from India Despite majority of population having evidence of past infection, didn't effectively deter 2nd wave

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.09.09.21263331v1?__cf_chl_jschl_tk__=pmd_ZMRteMROVG60VAfYX6AtazwVclkT74hfFxO.mn.g6MY-1632109650-0-gqNtZGzNAfujcnBszQa9

It’s pretty clear that prior infection by an early variant of the virus does not confer much immunity against Delta. The question is the immunity against Delta conferred by survival of a Delta infection.

 

Note: if you think you had an early undiagnosed case of Covid, you won’t have much protection against Delta. Get vaccinated.

3 hours ago, TooMuchTime said:

Unvaccinated people do not have 0% protection.  People have immune systems.  That is why estimates of 40% of people are asymptomatic.  They got the virus but due to their immune system, had 0 symptoms or ill effects.  Next step is people with minor symptoms then those with severe then death.  Death is very minimal for non elderly and those who don't have multiple diseases.

 

Here was the survival rates I took from the CDC database.  As I mentioned before, elderly and those at risk should be encouraged to take the vaccine as everyone else has a high rate of survival.  Prioritizing that subgroup seems like the most effective approach given the numbers.  Maybe for the younger people we can go from 99.90 to 99.96 rate of survival.

 

https://data.cdc.gov/d/vbim-akqf/visualization

	Thru to 1/1/2021	5/1/21-8/27/21
Age	Survive%A	Survive%B
0 - 9 Years	99.97%	99.98%
10 - 19 Years	99.97%	99.97%
20 - 29 Years	99.90%	99.90%
30 - 39 Years	99.71%	99.75%
40 - 49 Years	99.23%	99.33%
50 - 59 Years	97.95%	98.34%
60 - 69 Years	93.77%	95.96%
70 - 79 Years	83.47%	91.77%
80+ Years	62.76%	82.34%

It’s pretty obvious you feel you are invincible and don’t care if you become a Covid super spreader who kills Granny. We got that.

 

why you boast about it is the mystery.

8 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

It’s pretty obvious you feel you are invincible and don’t care if you become a Covid super spreader who kills Granny. We got that.

 

why you boast about it is the mystery.

Its not even just the possibility of passing it on, to those with children then the last thing they want to do is leave their children as orphans, too many of those already.

Thailand’s senior virologist has suggested that those aged 12-17 should be given just one mRNA vaccine dose, to reduce the risk of heart muscle inflammation or myocarditis.

 

Dr Yong disclosed that myocarditis is mostly commonly found in vaccinated people who had received two doses of an mRNA vaccine, so health officials in the UK, Sweden and Hong Kong have recommended only one mRNA dose for youngsters, even though a single dose does not boost immunity sufficiently.

 

https://www.thaipbsworld.com/senior-doctor-recommends-one-mrna-vaccine-jab-for-youths-to-reduce-myocarditis-risk/

Yes, in the English language but from ThaigerNews:

 

https://thethaiger.com/coronavirus/monday-covid-update-12709-new-cases-provincial-totals

 

But everybody seems to be happy but 14.000 new infections and 11.500 recoveries... It means the line is going up already for a few days

2 hours ago, dinsdale said:

I'm not sure I would call 30% under 60 a minority as a previous poster says the majority of those who die are old. Still I guess you could call 49% a minority. Nevertheless Delta is claiming the lives of a larger number of young people than the previous variants. I wish they would report vaccination status.

I wish they would report obesity status as well.   Might well scare a few folks into going on a diet that could save their life should they catch it, or prevent them from dying from a myriad of other diseases related to this very preventable condition which in turn would relieve some pressure on the health services.   Knowing what we know about this virus,  I am surprised this isn't given more prominence.   

4 hours ago, TooMuchTime said:

Unvaccinated people do not have 0% protection.  People have immune systems.  That is why estimates of 40% of people are asymptomatic.  They got the virus but due to their immune system, had 0 symptoms or ill effects.  Next step is people with minor symptoms then those with severe then death.  Death is very minimal for non elderly and those who don't have multiple diseases.

 

Here was the survival rates I took from the CDC database.  As I mentioned before, elderly and those at risk should be encouraged to take the vaccine as everyone else has a high rate of survival.  Prioritizing that subgroup seems like the most effective approach given the numbers.  Maybe for the younger people we can go from 99.90 to 99.96 rate of survival.

 

https://data.cdc.gov/d/vbim-akqf/visualization

	Thru to 1/1/2021	5/1/21-8/27/21
Age	Survive%A	Survive%B
0 - 9 Years	99.97%	99.98%
10 - 19 Years	99.97%	99.97%
20 - 29 Years	99.90%	99.90%
30 - 39 Years	99.71%	99.75%
40 - 49 Years	99.23%	99.33%
50 - 59 Years	97.95%	98.34%
60 - 69 Years	93.77%	95.96%
70 - 79 Years	83.47%	91.77%
80+ Years	62.76%	82.34%

Yet healthy young people with no comorbidities are dying. How do you explain this. Also I would love to see you support your arguement as to the asymptomatic part of this disease being linked to the  immune system and not part of the nature of this virus. You also seem to miss the very well known fact that asymptomatic people spread the virus just like pre-symptomatic and symptomatic. It's being said that everyone will get the virus. Not sure if that's true but I for one would rather be vaccinated to protect both myself and others. This disease quite obviously affects more than just the at risk sector of the population. To deny this with the mountain of evidence is something I just cannot comprehend. Bit like anti-maskers. The jury is well and truly in but some still say they don't work. Having said all this a healthy immune system is beneficial for a whole range of things but will not protect you from catching and spreading the virus and will not protect you from serious illness or death as much as vaccines will.

Looking at the death rate ranking data from worldometer over the past 7 days:

 

Thailand 66th in world  @ 14 deaths/million of population, down 33% 

14th in Asia. 
 

Anyone with knowledge of Risk Assessment may understand why,  looking at those figures, the government may be considering lowering their original targets for opening sooner. 
 

Health vs Economy must be a real consideration now in the decision making process going forwards. 
 

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/weekly-trends/#weekly_table

 

18 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Yet healthy young people with no comorbidities are dying. How do you explain this. 

Healthy young people with no comorbidities are dying in a whole range of situations. Do we ban them from getting in cars or riding mopeds? 
 

Be an interesting stat to compare. 

Edited September 20, 20214 yr by Kadilo