Top Thai virologist claims herd immunity does not work with COVID-19

[hioctane]

1 hour ago, Blumpie said:

Oh boy, a news headline that is an anti-vexers wet dream!  ????  

It's too early to say but most likely it will be around long after we're all inoculated and will morph like a flu.  Many non doctors will blather the same blather that we've all known for ages.

They're not sure, but like most Thais, if your'e right, wrong, or in the middle it doesn't matter as long as you say it and pretend you didn't really say it later on.  You are still smert (sic).

He is actually suggesting that because herd immunity can’t be reached (because the vaccines are not 100% effective in preventing infection) that EVERYONE needs to be vaccinated! Only when this happens either through vaccinations or naturally will this stop the deaths. Keep in mind that vaccinations will prevent hospitalization and death, but trying to do it naturally is like rolling a dice.

[nickmondo]

what an absolute muppet!

 

[kiwikeith]

5 hours ago, freedomnow said:

You can't pass tetanus on as far as I know - so it's an apples to oranges comparison. ????

I read the full story and, yes you can't compare Tetanus to c19, but further reading he seems to be saying yes you can get less sick if you had covid b4, not mentioning vaccines, so is he saying if your unvaccinated you can get quite sick but next time not so sick until this becomes like a normal flue.

Then that means develop natural immunity, that must be something different from Herd immunity.

 

[Robert Tyrrell]

Hello ,

Firstly my confidence in any healthcare professional currently in Thailand is near ZERO !! At this point with failing government covid  policies, Vaccination policies, Testing policies and stupid !! Sandbox Schemes !! 
Secondly , Herd Immunity with on average greater then 70% of the population being vaccinated can be either eradication of the disease or reduction of severe illnesses and death !! That can reflect herd immunity either way. 
Thirdly , This Thai Doctor is a witch doctor at best with his overview of herd immunity  !!

 

safe and Healthy Wishes to All !! :) 

[BangkokReady]

1 hour ago, Inala said:

This headline is contradictory. In one breath, he says forget about herd immunity.... 

 

“Forget about herd immunity because it will not work with COVID-19.” 

 

In the next breath, he says....

 

"...when the majority of people in a country have developed immunity"......"the minority who have not been vaccinated or who have not been infected by the disease will be protected from the infection"

 

The link explains it a bit better, but his point still remains weak as water. This is not a good piece of journalism.

He says forget about herd immunity for covid in the first paragraph, then goes on to give an explanation of what herd immunity is generally in the second.

[Thaifly88]

5 hours ago, freedomnow said:

You can't pass tetanus on as far as I know - so it's an apples to oranges comparison. ????

and also, if this is correct, why is a Thai Doctor the only person notifying us ? what does WHO say about this new finding ?

[sezze]

2 hours ago, CartagenaWarlock said:

Covid-19 is not going to  go away as proved in soaring infections in UK and Israel and countries where vaccination is rate is very high. Vaccinated people can still get infected and spread to other vaccinated/unvaccinated people. The goal of each country is to to establish the infection rate and hospitalization that the country's health care infrastructure is capable of handling and work to achieve that goal. I'm convinced that Covid-19 will be there in near future in one variant or another. Hopefully scientists will come up with drugs very soon to reduce severity of infection and eliminate deaths caused by Covid-19. Most countries have started to realize that as we hear less from lock down nazis. 

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/12/herd-immunity-is-mythical-with-the-covid-delta-variant-experts-say.html

You realise that there aren't a lot of medications against a viral disease ? There is a viral medication on it's way for covid , but also it only does help in not hospitalised persons .

Vaccination is the 1st line of defense  , if there are more like a extra for getting you killed is a bonus but do not count on it . Virus in general are not the easiest beasts to manage , and they do not listen to tablets very well .

In order of the endemic situation , yes you are right , we do have learn to live with it at some point , since it won't go away .  Make sure you are vaccinated , and hope that if in case you do get sick they can help you .

[dave moir]

5 hours ago, freedomnow said:

You can't pass tetanus on as far as I know - so it's an apples to oranges comparison. ????

How can he compare a bacterial infection with a virus!!!! This guy doesn't fill you with confidence!!!????

[Trujillo]

"...if someone gets pierced by a rusty nail, they will be infected with tetanus, said Dr. Yong."

 

Tetanus has nothing to do with rust. 

Getting "pierced" by a nail, rusty or not, does not automatically result in a tetanus infection. 

 

 

One thing the good doctor is right about is that there is no immunity from stupidity. 

[smedly]

1 hour ago, itsari said:

The vaccination programme's around the world are showing none of the vaccines are effective at stopping infection

I wish people would stop posting inaccurate information like this it not correct (for now) - there are breakthrough infections happening but boosters seem to negate that also, don't forget we are still very early in the evolution of this virus 

 

Vaccines do not stop a virus entering the body (the absolute definition of infection)

 

They do prevent a person from developing COVID 19 (the disease) in the vast majority of cases and therefore help prevent spreading of the virus,

 

Please do some research before posting incorrect information 

 

You can start here - it is a long video but well worth watching and pretty much covers everything there is to know about vaccines - SARS Corona 2 Virus and the COVID 19 disease it causes 

 

 

[Card]

5 hours ago, ukrules said:

If virtually nobody is spreading COVID due to the wonderful miracle vaccines then the unvaccinated / immunocompromised / non previously infected part of the 'herd' won't catch it because they're much less likely to breath it in due to being surrounded by people who don't have COVID.

 

I think he left out a little bit of information from his post, something that would clarify what he's saying.

 

He should explain why this is the case specifically for COVID.

 

Actually he may be right coz even vaccinated people can carry covid. Vaccination protects people from severe symptoms but it does not stop them contracting the virus particles, albeit with a reduced viral load. There is ongoing research as to whether or not transferring the virus to non vaccinated people is significantly reduced by vaccination.

Edited October 4, 2021 by Card

[TKDfella]

Like most posters here I wonder why a virologist is comparing a bacterial infection to a virus infection...the mechanism of infection is totally different (not to mention his choice of comparison). Sounds like he needs to go back to study. Apart from the present dominant Delta variant, both Lambda and the latest Mu, variants are already out there and while Lambda appears to be rather less dangerous than Delta Mu is, apparently, is somewhat more reactive. Imho it is too early to say whether Delta will be more like, say, the Andenovirus group, and remain with us (seems to be the general idea at the moment) or whether its mutations will reach an inert phase. What I think is important is for governments to stay vigilant, collect data and in the future, take appropriate action. As far as Thailand is concerned, this 'top virologist' hardly instils confidence.

[itsari]

10 minutes ago, smedly said:

I wish people would stop posting inaccurate information like this it not correct (for now) - there are breakthrough infections happening but boosters seem to negate that also, don't forget we are still very early in the evolution of this virus 

 

Vaccines do not stop a virus entering the body (the absolute definition of infection)

 

They do prevent a person from developing COVID 19 (the disease) in the vast majority of cases and therefore help prevent spreading of the virus,

 

Please do some research before posting incorrect information 

 

You can start here - it is a long video but well worth watching and pretty much covers everything there is to know about vaccines - SARS Corona 2 Virus and the COVID 19 disease it causes 

 

 

Pot Calling the kettle black Mr Smedly . 

 

[Dialemco]

Don't know why you publish this nonsense. Everyone knows we are going to have to live with the Viras but vaccines reduce risks of serious illness requiring hospitalisation. 

[Caldera]

Herd immunity might not be achievable, but it also isn't necessary in order to let life return to normal. As long as the number of people who get seriously ill is reduced dramatically, which seems to be the case, that is good enough. Most illnesses cannot be stamped out completely, so we have to live with them.

[englishoak]

Trust me, im  a Doctor LOL ????

[smedly]

41 minutes ago, nickmondo said:

what an absolute muppet!

 

indeed, he seems to be reliant on google for his groundbreaking posts then makes a right idiot of himself trying to make himself relevant, these are the sort of quacks recommending 75% reduced doses and incorrect unapproved  methods to administer the vaccines, I wonder what he will say in a few months when Thailands vaccine program becomes an even bigger failure than it is already - oh we thought these unapproved methods would work - too late when you are back into lockdowns in a few months with hospitals filling up again and a 4th/5th wave ravaging the country - stupid is what the stupid do

[Blumpie]

2 hours ago, Inala said:

This headline is contradictory. In one breath, he says forget about herd immunity.... 

 

“Forget about herd immunity because it will not work with COVID-19.” 

 

In the next breath, he says....

 

"...when the majority of people in a country have developed immunity"......"the minority who have not been vaccinated or who have not been infected by the disease will be protected from the infection"

 

The link explains it a bit better, but his point still remains weak as water. This is not a good piece of journalism.

Have.  You.  Ever.  Been.  To..... Thai.... Land?  

This is every day.  Every single day.  Every.  Single.  Day.  

[Millcx]

2 hours ago, Inala said:

This headline is contradictory. In one breath, he says forget about herd immunity.... 

 

“Forget about herd immunity because it will not work with COVID-19.” 

 

In the next breath, he says....

 

"...when the majority of people in a country have developed immunity"......"the minority who have not been vaccinated or who have not been infected by the disease will be protected from the infection"

 

The link explains it a bit better, but his point still remains weak as water. This is not a good piece of journalism.

Sensationalism that’s all this piece is .. Another Doc wanting name in papers

[smedly]

22 minutes ago, Card said:

Actually he may be right coz even vaccinated people can carry covid. Vaccination protects people from severe symptoms but it does not stop them contracting the virus particles, albeit with a reduced viral load. There is ongoing research as to whether or not transferring the virus to non vaccinated people is significantly reduced by vaccination.

The Virus is SARS Corona 2 

 

The disease it causes is COVID 19

 

Vaccines protect a person from developing the disease COVID 19 and help the body defeat the virus before it get a chance to replicate and lead to the disease 

 

I wish people would get on board with this before making missleading statements

[smedly]

25 minutes ago, itsari said:

Pot Calling the kettle black Mr Smedly . 

 

what ?

 

oh dear

[JRG23]

Thai 'experts'!

Gotta love 'em. Third-world mentality, ie, clueless.

[pizzachang]

6 hours ago, freedomnow said:

You can't pass tetanus on as far as I know - so it's an apples to oranges comparison. ????

You are correct. It's actually a foolish and irresponsible statement (IMO) to claim "herd immunity " doesn't "work".  Virtually every 'virus' is similar in this characteristic.  At the very least, a recovered, naturally infected human gets a level of immunity. It's the foundational reason that "killed" vaccines work in the first place. Bangkok Hospital's website has  J&J, Astra and Sinovac, listed as these types  {a bit more complicated, but still developed on past successes} and are most likely (IMO) much safer.

[dave moir]

4 hours ago, CartagenaWarlock said:

Covid-19 is not going to  go away as proved in soaring infections in UK and Israel and countries where vaccination is rate is very high. Vaccinated people can still get infected and spread to other vaccinated/unvaccinated people. The goal of each country is to to establish the infection rate and hospitalization that the country's health care infrastructure is capable of handling and work to achieve that goal. I'm convinced that Covid-19 will be there in near future in one variant or another. Hopefully scientists will come up with drugs very soon to reduce severity of infection and eliminate deaths caused by Covid-19. Most countries have started to realize that as we hear less from lock down nazis. 

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/12/herd-immunity-is-mythical-with-the-covid-delta-variant-experts-say.html

Covid 19 will be with us in one variant or another as long as there's money to be made and people believe all the hype!!! ????

[LukKrueng]

5 hours ago, ukrules said:

If virtually nobody is spreading COVID due to the wonderful miracle vaccines

Already known to be wrong. Vaxed people DO get infected and DO spread the virus.

 

[Misterwhisper]

How dare you all contradicting the honorable, universally worshipped, infallible director of the Center for Incredulous, Outstanding, Unmatched Excellence in Clinical Virology?!?!

 

On second thought, I think all of you are right. A virologist who thinks the infection paths of Tetanus and SARS-CoV-2 are alike, thus comparable, should consider witching to a new career where professional competence plays only a minor role. Politician comes to mind.  

 

 

[pizzachang]

1 hour ago, kiwikeith said:

Then that means develop natural immunity, that must be something different from Herd immunity

Yes, , it just means that so many have had a particular virus, that they generally don't get very sick the next variant they catch. Any flu can kill an immune -comprised human, or one that is ill with other disease. Nothing has really changed that fact.  This "c19" is now endemic, but money can still be made.

[Marco100]

Herd immunity is a fact as in time we all going to catch Covid , vaccinated and non vaccinated . Covid is endemic now. Just better to be vaccinated to avoid hospitals and severe symptoms .....

 

 

[KhunLA]

Not sure why that's a headliner.  Seems, or should be common knowledge.  You can't get rid of a coronavirus or any virus.  If so, y'all wouldn't be asked to get the annual flu shot.  Or the common cold wouldn't be common and still exist after generations of herd immunity.

 

Viruses will live on and share the earth with the cockroaches long after the planet sheds the human parasites  ????????????

[Magenta408]

Top virologist - what do you base your premise on? We have built herd immunity for so many viruses, why not this one? It's only a coronovirus afterall!!