New Immigration Bureau boss signals new orders so police can easily track down foreign suspects in Thailand

[mokwit]

2 minutes ago, OishiRefill said:

That post was humorously replying to the poster who, quite rightly, pointed out another poster that it's not possible to "spot" a criminal from the external appearance. I can't get the hang of the forum 'quote & reply' system. 

OK my bad - took you too seriously, ignore my responses.

[IAMHERE]

Google knows where I'm at on my cell phone. AIS knows I have that SIM. Thailand BIB can get me without much of any help needed other than AIS/Google Maps.

[OishiRefill]

3 minutes ago, mokwit said:

yes the fact that you just don't like them and thus accuse them of being criminals -  what ACTUAL EVIDENCE do you have that they are criminals?

I am totally indifferent to "them", personally. I was making a humorous reply to you. Agreeing with your comment to Khaopad999.

[malthebluff]

They need to look closer at home for the biggest criminals against thai people they can start with the police and then the government easy to check the data base on these just look in their bank accounts 

[mokwit]

4 minutes ago, OishiRefill said:

I am totally indifferent to "them", personally. I was making a humorous reply to you. Agreeing with your comment to Khaopad999.

You did the spoof too well - thought you really were one of those types.

[Saltire]

7 minutes ago, Dambuster said:

Police Lieutenant General Pakpoomphiphat Sajjapan has also revealed that under new entry vetting procedures, Thailand’s Immigration Police can now halt any passenger boarding a plane for Thailand if the person is deemed a threat to the security and well being of the country. 
 

Someone may need to tell the good Police Lieutenant General that the Thai Immigration Police have no jurisdiction outside of Thailand and cannot halt anybody boarding a plane for Thailand while on another nations sovereign soil. 
 

Just sayin’

Agree this would be impossible, and would imply a member of the RTP was deployed at every airport with departures to Thaiand.

 

On a more realistic interpretation maybe they get advance passenger lists sent before departure, but even the process of checking before arrival would be a struggle too, operationally. Probably best to vet arrivals as now (or better than now).

 

Pre-covid the last few times I passed through swampy no one asked me to use the fingerprint machines.

 

[Chad3000]

This is a classic government gem - let us not forget when they try to walk this whopper back.

[Mr Meeseeks]

5 hours ago, NanaSomchai said:

To those who are saying that Thailand had been used as a regional hub for all criminals around the World for decades, rest assured that time is over.

Have you told the criminals in brown and green uniforms this?

[Mavideol]

6 hours ago, mikebike said:

 

Yes. It is, of course, the Immigration Bureau who runs all investigations into native Thai criminality. How can they possibly be so neglectful and only speak of immigration-related issues? ????????????

perfect example  The Red Bull Ferrari Kid that has evaporated  555

[NanaSomchai]

17 minutes ago, Saltire said:

Pre-covid the last few times I passed through swampy no one asked me to use the fingerprint machines.

Again, when was that? The biometrics are in full force since mid 2019.

[Mavideol]

9 hours ago, webfact said:

The new police boss wants to see an improvement in security databases and intelligence on foreigners living in Thailand going forward.

we should expect a drastic increase in smart BMW's driving around, paid by the new 500 baht tourist entry fee  555

[EricTh]

So what's the use of 90 day reporting if it is useless in tracing foreigners who overstay and criminals?

 

That's why I say, there should be a criminal check on long term tourists or expats.

 

[John Drake]

9 hours ago, webfact said:

Thailand’s new Immigration Bureau boss wants a tighter ship when it comes to tracking foreign residents in the kingdom and tourists.

Fine. Now, do Red Bull boy

[Dont confuse me]

Technology is only as good as the person using it, need I say more.

[soi3eddie]

9 hours ago, RichardColeman said:

Considering the amount of people getting back into the country by changing or adjusting their name, they will only be denying idiot criminals entry

Name changes are unlikely to work as they are almost certainly using facial recognition these days. A few years ago I arrived at BKK early morning and went direct to Immigration at CW to file TM30 and other stuff. My picture from from arrival in the airport was exceptionally clear on the immigration database. Very easy to digitise and use in facial recognition systems.

 

Edited October 14, 2021 by soi3eddie
typo

[connda]

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Speaking on Saturday, he said that his goal would be to make foreigners entering Thailand for the purpose of criminal activity think twice and to create an environment where they are fearful of doing so.

Yet what he'll accomplish is that he'll alienate the 99.9% of expats living here in peace while making foreigners entering Thailand for the purpose non-criminal activity think twice about coming at all because Thailand now has an even more fearfully xenophobic and racist environment aimed directly at non-Thais than ever before. 

Boy Howdy I can't wait to see the new and improved harassment measures fit for criminal parolees.  Mandatory GPS trackers anyone?  New hand-drawn maps to my residence of 14 years to add to the stacks of hand-drawn maps they already have (ain't it time to embrace technology Pak dear buddy?  You know, like a printed Google map with GPS coordinates and an "X" where I live.  That way if I commit a crime like all of us evil expats plan to do, then the cops can go right to where I won't be if I'm on the run!!!)
Another day in paradise.

[PETERTHEEATER]

9 hours ago, webfact said:

Thailand’s Immigration Police can now halt any passenger boarding a plane for Thailand

This will require the active participation of any country with airports originating or transmitting flights to Thailand. Overseas postings for pairs of TIP to apply their rules in places they have no jurisdiction. Dream on!

[The Hammer2021]

9 hours ago, RichardColeman said:

Considering the amount of people getting back into the country by changing or adjusting their name, they will only be denying idiot criminals entry

A retina is a retina. A fingerprint is a fingerprint. Name changing does not help.

[The Hammer2021]

The majority of foreigners being targeted are 3rd worlders, illegal immigrants and terror suspects

[scubascuba3]

3 hours ago, brianthainess said:

Well this is what i don't understand 'coz nowhere in this deranged blokes story, does it mention any previous history of crimes and he had a legit visa, so how could have immigration prevented his heinous behaviour. I hope he gets what's due in a Thai Jail. Maybe they also need to check mental illness records as well.

a criminal record check would filter out a lot of the riff raff, of course some people will be first time offenders

[spidermike007]

If only the Chief of Immigration would be equally hard on his super corrupt immigration agents on the border, who are making fortunes, selling the Covid plague to their own people, by allowing infected Burmese to enter Thailand for a payment, things might start to return to normal.

Fair is fair, right? Not really fair to pick on the gangs, and let your own gangs operate with impunity. This is known as gross malfeasance, and a spectacularly heinous level of corruption allowed by you, and taking place within your ranks. Shame on you for your continued charade. You are fooling nobody! You are part of the problem.

What ever happened with the promises to root out your bad apple immigration guys, on the border? They likely let in thousands, to line their greedy pockets. Do you care at all, on any level, about anything other than your own enrichment, and the vintage of ridiculously expensive champagne you will have this evening?

 

I totally blame Prayuth. Immigration has gotten worse under their tutelage and their arrogance, and their insufferable xenophobia knows no bounds. This whole thing leaves a bitter, sour, nasty, foul taste in one's mouth, and the stench can be smelled for kilometers. Thailand is moving backwards on so many levels, I do not even know where to begin. I believe at this point, that if Brittany Spears were to declare her candidacy, she would beat Prayuth, hands down. That is how much he and the army are despised, at this point. Especially after the recent stunt he pulled.

[scubascuba3]

3 hours ago, Scouse123 said:

Would you?

 

And do you think it's a good idea for first world countries to allow a Banana Republic like Thailand access to this kind of sensitive information in our Western databases knowing the ways they could and would abuse such information?

 

Ridiculous

 

 

 

 

they won't need to access a database, those entering would need to provide a certificate of sorts, i think those getting a work permit need to get one, non imm OA need to get one. No issue if you don't have a criminal record?

[Walker88]

2 hours ago, OishiRefill said:

 

 

The last thing that farang immigrants here need are for the natives to be ratcheted up another notch with regard to their fear and/or distrust of westerners. I could be flamed for suggesting it but, it's likely IMO that a few rotten apples have, over the space of a few decades, spoiled the perception of the whole bunch of us. 

True that^.

 

I always get a kick out of Pattaya, albeit for the wrong reasons. While some punters are decent people who just happen to have a penchant for exercising the biological imperative (and claim they're there for the beaches), many of the folks who gravitate to Pattaya are the dregs of their own societies. They are people of whom their home nations are happy to be rid.

 

These dregs are, by and large, the most visible residents of Pattaya, and they serve as reference points for Thai folks' perceptions of 'farangs'. Even if it's only 25% of farangs, too many Thais build an image of all farangs as obese, angry, criminal, dirty and dangerous. The other 75%, at least in Pattaya, are suckers and chumps to be fleeced of their baht. Pattaya is the primordial swamp.

 

Bangkok is home to more farangs who are business people and professionals, so there is a slightly different image. It's probably still negative, but isn't quite down at the level of the Pattaya farang.

 

Some members of my staff tell me fairly frequently, "Most Thais don't like foreigners". Some who say that are married to or dating....foreigners, which is a bit ironic. Of course many countries are full of xenophobes who don't care for 'outsiders'. Tribalism seems to be in our genes. "They're stealing our women" is a common refrain in many places. Instinct, I guess.

[connda]

38 minutes ago, connda said:

(ain't it time to embrace technology Pak dear buddy? 

Lazada can find me. 
Shopee can find me. 
The Thai post office can find me.
Easy-peezy!

So riddle me this. Why are immigration's databases so outdated that you can't - right now - find any foreigner declared address in one click? Also - why is your online 90 day reporting 50 years outdated and non-functional so often.  Is it running on WIndows 3.1 on Paradox?

Lazada can do it
Shopee can do it
The Thai post office can do it.
Why is it such a major problem for the immigration branch of the RTP?
 
Speaking as an ex-computer-science type of guy here in the 21th century, I find your dilemma as one that is self-imposed.  It's your own fault.
But?  Blame the evil non-Thais that you vilify and need to track for the crime of breathing the same air as precious Thai people.

And btw - you're database of current addresses isn't going to do squat if someone commits a crime and runs.  What moronic criminal returns home to wait for the cops?
I'm mean, granted, the RTP have a serious job in front of them. How about that Thai feller with the Farrari that killed one of your brethren and yet is as free as a bird?  If you can't find a Thai billionaire how do you expect to find a "nobody farang?"

Edited October 14, 2021 by connda

[connda]

9 hours ago, NanaSomchai said:

Once your biometrics details have been entered into that database, you're stored there for virtually... forever.

When it actually works - or - when the Immigration RTP get a few terminals to be able to tap into that data.  This country must have a few hundred government databases none of which share data. 

[Scouse123]

33 minutes ago, scubascuba3 said:

they won't need to access a database, those entering would need to provide a certificate of sorts, i think those getting a work permit need to get one, non imm OA need to get one. No issue if you don't have a criminal record?

Not to me, No.

 

That is not the way the civil rights people see it in civilized countries and they are powerful.

 

I don't want Thailand having any more information on me, they have way too much already.

 

And I don't trust them with information.

[Sydebolle]

No worries, the clown talks hot air - as all the rest of the flock. Just look on how scared the Red Bull kiddo is; crapping his pampers full daily over the fear of Thai officers in far-away London!

What this fellow is not aware of is the fact, that most legal, law-abiding foreigners live in a suffocating climate of fear against them by corrupt government officials on all levels. Be it the little police man, be it immigration officers asking for „speed-up fees“, „tips“ etc. to process what is their duty in the first place, the „fixer“ who helps through the amazing maze of contradictory laws, regulations, common-sense-less instructions ............. It takes ruthless criminals to not care a thing about all those Thai stand-ins in uniform, the law-abiding people are scared and not those the divine big wig of immigration wants to impress!

Next please ........

[sambum]

"Thailand’s new Immigration Bureau boss wants a tighter ship when it comes to tracking foreign residents in the kingdom and tourists."

 

So, more bureaucracy at Immigration Offices when applying for an extension?

I have to take more than 100 signed photocopies every year for mine!

No wonder the rainforests are in decline!

 

 

Edited October 14, 2021 by sambum

[sambum]

8 minutes ago, sambum said:

"Thailand’s new Immigration Bureau boss wants a tighter ship when it comes to tracking foreign residents in the kingdom and tourists."

 

So, more bureaucracy at Immigration Offices when applying for an extension?

I have to take more than 100 signed photocopies every year for mine!

No wonder the rainforests are in decline!

 

 

 

[mokwit]

11 hours ago, webfact said:

The new police boss wants to see an improvement in security databases and intelligence on foreigners living in Thailand going forward.

This is the scary part: 'intelligence on foreigners living in Thailand'. Got that?