Bars, Pubs, Go Go and Entertainment Venues

[bkk_bwana]

On 10/29/2021 at 3:06 PM, WEBBYB808 said:

The virus only mutates in unvaccinated people.  So if you put 100 vaccinated people in a bar you don't get a super spreader unless  the one with the virus is unvaccinated.   If everyone is vaccinated  you cant create a super spreader as the virus doesn't  mutate in the vaccinated 

That is not the science.  The vaccine does not only mutate in unvaccinated people. The vaccine REPLICATES faster in vaccinated people which allows more chance of mutation. There is a far greater chance of spreading if you put lots of people, especially drinking, where people are relaxed, close together, huddled up, dancing etc in one space.

[bkk_bwana]

23 hours ago, brommers said:

The alcohol ban has little to do with the danger of transmission and a lot to do with the strong anti alcohol lobby amongst the hyper conservative cabinet and advisors. Covid has given them a huge excuse to try to wipe out as many bars as possible by starving them of revenue. There is no logic in being able to crowd into supermarkets, fresh markets and other high traffic venues and not being able to socially distance in a responsibly run bar. We are in the hands of dictators.

Remember Thaksin Shinawatra? In 2002 his populist, democratically elected government, started the first round of attack against alcohol, banning sales in the afternoons and in shops along highways. There was also a ban on new bars opening in 22 provinces. That remained in place until the last coup, when the military asked the provinces if they wanted to maintain the ban.

 

[Silencer]

Because he can act with impunity. He fancies himself a mini Xi authoritarian but with a strong 'no adult fun' mentality. He's drunk on control and wants people to worship him on the same level as the 'Dear Leader' in NK but does not have that level of control....yet. COVID has little to do with his thinking. Political survival has everything to do with his decisions.

[WEBBYB808]

23 hours ago, bkk_bwana said:

That is not the science.  The vaccine does not only mutate in unvaccinated people. The vaccine REPLICATES faster in vaccinated people which allows more chance of mutation. There is a far greater chance of spreading if you put lots of people, especially drinking, where people are relaxed, close together, huddled up, dancing etc in one space.

And there you go spreading false information 

[WEBBYB808]

23 hours ago, Walker88 said:

You are incorrect. Mutation is a numbers game. There is always a possibility of a mutation every time a virus replicates. The unvaccinated do have a higher viral load (the latest research proves this, contrary to earlier beliefs), so they are host for more possible mutations, besides being more likely to suffer serious symptoms from whatever variant they caught.

 

In any single replication, the odds of a mutation are equal. It doesn't matter if the host is vaxxed or not. PROBABILITY increases with the number of replications, and the unvaxxed are likely to be host to a greater number of replications.

 

Vaccinated people have an immune system better able to stop the virus from replicating, which is very different from mutating. The more replications, the greater the chance of a mutation. Also, the more replications, the greater the chance the host will suffer symptoms, because the body's immune system is stressed beyond its ability to cope.

Fair enough.   But facts like this only feed the desire of the non vaccinated to continue  to not have any faith in the vaccine  nor push them to do better and get the vaccine.   If not for them then people should get the vaccine  to protect their families  and neighbors 

[WEBBYB808]

On 10/31/2021 at 7:01 AM, Chelseafan said:

 

As far as I understand it, this is soo wrong. You may REDUCE THE RISK of being a super spreader but to say everyone who is vaccinated prevents spreading Covid is false.

 

 

 

No not prevents the spread, but the vaccine  mutates  so much easier in unvaccinated 

[Mac Mickmanus]

2 minutes ago, WEBBYB808 said:

No not prevents the spread, but the vaccine  mutates  so much easier in unvaccinated 

Virus ?

[WEBBYB808]

5 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Virus ?

“Virus mutations arise when the virus is replicating in a cell. None of the available vaccines contain live virus, so they cannot directly be the source of a viral variant,” Grier said.

 “For the most part, the coronavirus vaccines reduce the risk of getting infected, and with fewer infections, there is less replicating virus so the chance of producing new variants decreases as well,” she added.

 

VERDICT

 Missing context. Variants of SARS-CoV-2 were being monitored in 2020, prior to mass vaccine rollouts. Vaccines have not caused the emergence of variants.

 

From CDC and WHO

[WEBBYB808]

14 minutes ago, WEBBYB808 said:

And there you go spreading false information 

 

23 hours ago, bkk_bwana said:

That is not the science.  The vaccine does not only mutate in unvaccinated people. The vaccine REPLICATES faster in vaccinated people which allows more chance of mutation. There is a far greater chance of spreading if you put lots of people, especially drinking, where people are relaxed, close together, huddled up, dancing etc in one space.

“Virus mutations arise when the virus is replicating in a cell. None of the available vaccines contain live virus, so they cannot directly be the source of a viral variant,” Grier said.

 “For the most part, the coronavirus vaccines reduce the risk of getting infected, and with fewer infections, there is less replicating virus so the chance of producing new variants decreases as well,” she added.

 

VERDICT

 Missing context. Variants of SARS-CoV-2 were being monitored in 2020, prior to mass vaccine rollouts. Vaccines have not caused the emergence of variants.

 

From CDC and WHO

[WEBBYB808]

On 10/29/2021 at 2:40 PM, Boomer6969 said:

Easy answer to that one: a  few months after vaccination NONE of the existing vaccines  has more than 50% effectiveness against infection. Put a hundred [drunk] people into a confined crowded  space for some hours and you have a very good chance to get a super  spreader event.

“Virus mutations arise when the virus is replicating in a cell. None of the available vaccines contain live virus, so they cannot directly be the source of a viral variant,” Grier said.

 “For the most part, the coronavirus vaccines reduce the risk of getting infected, and with fewer infections, there is less replicating virus so the chance of producing new variants decreases as well,” she added.

 

VERDICT

 Missing context. Variants of SARS-CoV-2 were being monitored in 2020, prior to mass vaccine rollouts. Vaccines have not caused the emergence of variants.

 

From CDC and WHO

[WEBBYB808]

23 hours ago, Walker88 said:

You are incorrect. Mutation is a numbers game. There is always a possibility of a mutation every time a virus replicates. The unvaccinated do have a higher viral load (the latest research proves this, contrary to earlier beliefs), so they are host for more possible mutations, besides being more likely to suffer serious symptoms from whatever variant they caught.

 

In any single replication, the odds of a mutation are equal. It doesn't matter if the host is vaxxed or not. PROBABILITY increases with the number of replications, and the unvaxxed are likely to be host to a greater number of replications.

 

Vaccinated people have an immune system better able to stop the virus from replicating, which is very different from mutating. The more replications, the greater the chance of a mutation. Also, the more replications, the greater the chance the host will suffer symptoms, because the body's immune system is stressed beyond its ability to cope.

“Virus mutations arise when the virus is replicating in a cell. None of the available vaccines contain live virus, so they cannot directly be the source of a viral variant,” Grier said.

 “For the most part, the coronavirus vaccines reduce the risk of getting infected, and with fewer infections, there is less replicating virus so the chance of producing new variants decreases as well,” she added.

 

VERDICT

 Missing context. Variants of SARS-CoV-2 were being monitored in 2020, prior to mass vaccine rollouts. Vaccines have not caused the emergence of variants.

 

From CDC and WHO

[WEBBYB808]

On 10/31/2021 at 8:21 AM, thaibeachlovers said:

Given the discussion is about Thailand, how would you ensure that no unvaccinated person attends?

If unvaccinated,  have staff standing by at the airport and give  them the vaccine 

[bang saen guy]

On 10/29/2021 at 2:40 PM, Boomer6969 said:

Easy answer to that one: a  few months after vaccination NONE of the existing vaccines  has more than 50% effectiveness against infection. Put a hundred [drunk] people into a confined crowded  space for some hours and you have a very good chance to get a super  spreader event.

Like the thousands waiting for vaccine at Bang Sue?

[Mac Mickmanus]

13 minutes ago, WEBBYB808 said:

No not prevents the spread, but the vaccine  mutates  so much easier in unvaccinated 

Did you mean to say that the virus mutates , rather than the "vaccine mutates" ?

[thaibeachlovers]

What the &^%&^%$ does any of that have to do with the OP?????????

 

Why don't you corona addicts go and talk about it on the dedicated sub forum.