Youtube

[TAWP]

I cannot reach it via the IP over a non-proxy connection. So it's still 'shaky' as to wether a ban is lifted or a monkey at the controls flipped the wrong switch for a local subnet.

[stats]

A friend based in Sukumvit 50 is able to watch youtube via Buddy internet

[jayceenik]

And this is JUST the IP address from youtube, there is nothing illegal in accessing websites from their IP's or I missed something?

Yes, you missed the junta's new rules concerning Internet use. It's really now against the law to access web sites that have been officially banned. It doesn't matter what IT technique you use. No loopholes allowed. Proxies are even mentioned. This is no hearsay. Google around and you'll find that particular law (in its English translation, or in Thai if your GF is IT savvy).

[roskruge]

Could not get www.metacafe.com or http://www.youtube.com/

My provider is CyberPoint I live near Central Lat Phao, Bangkok

got the following message.

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ขออภัย

เว็บไซต์นี้เป็นเว็บไซต์ที่ไม่เหมาะสม

กระทรวงเทคโนโลยีสารสนเทศและการสื่อสาร

โดยได้รับความร่วมมือจากผู้ให้บริการอินเทอร์เน็ต

และบริษัท กสท โทรคมนาคม จำกัด (มหาชน)

จำเป็นต้องปิดกั้นเว็บไซต์นี้

หากมีข้อคิดเห็นอื่นใด หรือพบเว็บไซต์อื่นที่ไม่เหมาะสม

โปรดแจ้งผ่านดวงตาข้างบนหรือ

ict.cyberclean.org

( Sorry! the web site you are accessing has been blocked by ministry of information and communication technology )

[jayceenik]

Today YouTube launched its "Don't You Forget About Me" channel. This channel, developed in conjunction with the International Centre for Missing and Exploited Children (ICMEC) and the Find Madeleine Campaign features clips of more than 25 missing children from around the world.

http://www.youtube.com/DontYouForgetAboutMe

Sorry! the web site you are accessing has been blocked by ministry of information and communication technology

Why is this particular YouTube channel considered a threat to Thailand and blocked? What have those missing children got to do with banned offensive lèse-majesté clips?

[CobraSnakeNecktie]

Yes, you missed the junta's new rules concerning Internet use. It's really now against the law to access web sites that have been officially banned. It doesn't matter what IT technique you use. No loopholes allowed. Proxies are even mentioned. This is no hearsay. Google around and you'll find that particular law (in its English translation, or in Thai if your GF is IT savvy).

yeah its also illegal in thailand to:

participate in prostitution

drive dangerously

bribe a police officer

burn anything and everything to cause pollution

ride without a helmet

sell alcohol after 12

but thats does not seem to stop the majority of people

[MaxLee]

no worky for me,.... still not...

[MrSnrang]

The IP address is a biyatch to do.

Once you have the IP address you have to add it to the windows host file. There are hundreds of subdomains for the videos, in order to watch them you have to find the subdomain that the video is stored on then you have to to an IP lookup and then append it to the host file...

More trouble than it's worth.

[bazmlb]

Posting any methods of bypassing any types of blocks will not be tolerated and is a breach of forum rules, this includes the use of direct ip addresses.

Final warning or topic will be closed

[tayto]

ขออภัย ทางสำนักงานตำรวจแห่งชาติขอระงับการเชื่อมต่อมาที่เวบไซต์นี้ เนื่องจากมีรูปภาพ หรือข้อความที่ไม่เหมาะสม เช่น ลามกอนาจาร การพนัน

หรือเป็นภัยต่อความมั่นคงของชาติ

สอบถามข้อมูลเพิ่มเติมได้ที่ "ศูนย์ข้อมูลข้อสนเทศ" อาคาร 19 ชั้น 2 สำนักงานตำรวจแห่งชาติ

ถนนพระราม1 ปทุมวัน กทม.10330 โทร 0-2251-0164 หรือ [email protected]

สถิติการรับแจ้งเวบผิดกฎหมายของสำนักงานตำรวจแห่งชาติ

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Sorry, the web site you are accessing has been closed by Royal Thai Police due to inappropriateness such as pornography, gambling or contain any information which is deemed to violate national security.

For more information, please contact "Police Information System Center" Bld#19 2nd Flr, Royal Thai Police, Rama I, Patumwan, Bangkok 10330 Tel. 0-2251-0164,

email : [email protected]

http://www.police.go.th

[Stephen Cleary]

I found out by chance this morning that YouTube was unblocked. I have been able to view the site all right - no problems. How about yous?

Contrary to what a load of folk believe, it is not illegal to circumvent the Internet to view blocked sites. In fact, the opposite is quite true. The MICT and Dr Sittichai are clearly violating the law by blocking websites. Now, by the law, they have to have a court order to block any site which they deem inappropriate. Suffice to say, Sittichai hasn't been bothered to obey it.

The Thai government has continually considered things 'banned' over the years, when in fact, they have no right to do whatsoever. Take Handley's book last year, that has never been officially banned in Thailand (as printed in the Royal Gazette) but you can't get it anywhere.

Edited August 15, 2007 by Stephen Cleary

[Guest Reimar]

Contrary to what a load of folk believe, it is not illegal to circumvent the Internet to view blocked sites. In fact, the opposite is quite true. The MICT and Dr Sittichai are clearly violating the law by blocking websites. Now, by the law, they have to have a court order to block any site which they deem inappropriate. Suffice to say, Sittichai hasn't been bothered to obey it.

As long as the constitutional and/or existing law is broken, they can block without Court Order!

The Thai government has continually considered things 'banned' over the years, when in fact, they have no right to do whatsoever. Take Handley's book last year, that has never been officially banned in Thailand (as printed in the Royal Gazette) but you can't get it anywhere.

The government of a country has all rights to "bann" anything they want! Ok, just within them's country and that's excactly what's done here!

You think in your Home country isn't banned anything? Or the government of your Country do NOT have the right to bann what they want? Special if existing Law is broken? They have and in many countries they do!

Thailand is a sovereign country!

[v8tfcorty]

youtube is currently working here in pattaya on maxnet (Tt&T)

[JetsetBkk]

youtube is currently working here in pattaya on maxnet (Tt&T)

Was OK yesterday. Not today. Maybe Sittichai wanted to watch something.

[Mid]

ขออภัย บริษัท ทีโอที จำกัด (มหาชน)

ในฐานะขององค์กรของคนไทย

ได้ระงับการเชื่อมต่อมาที่เว็บไซต์นี้ื่

เนื่องจากมีเนื้อหา ข้อความ รูปภาพ ที่ไม่เหมาะสม

ที่ได้ส่งผลกระทบต่อจิตใจของคนไทยทั้งประเทศจนไม่อาจยอมรับได้

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Generated Thu, 16 Aug 2007 13:01:19 GMT by Web_Blocker (squid/2.6.STABLE5)

[Guest Reimar]

Works on: http://208.65.153.238/ but NOT on http://www.youtube.com just now!

[Stephen Cleary]

Contrary to what a load of folk believe, it is not illegal to circumvent the Internet to view blocked sites. In fact, the opposite is quite true. The MICT and Dr Sittichai are clearly violating the law by blocking websites. Now, by the law, they have to have a court order to block any site which they deem inappropriate. Suffice to say, Sittichai hasn't been bothered to obey it.

As long as the constitutional and/or existing law is broken, they can block without Court Order!

The Thai government has continually considered things 'banned' over the years, when in fact, they have no right to do whatsoever. Take Handley's book last year, that has never been officially banned in Thailand (as printed in the Royal Gazette) but you can't get it anywhere.

The government of a country has all rights to "bann" anything they want! Ok, just within them's country and that's excactly what's done here!

You think in your Home country isn't banned anything? Or the government of your Country do NOT have the right to bann what they want? Special if existing Law is broken? They have and in many countries they do!

Thailand is a sovereign country!

An article today, sums up what i said about the governments illegal blocking of websites.

Bangkok Post Friday August 17

Legal experts, webmasters slam govt for illegally blocking websites

SUPAWADEE INTHAWONG

Internet law experts and webmasters yesterday lashed out at what they said was the government's illegal blocking of websites and the use of threats and intimidation tactics against webmasters by government officials. Paiboon Amornpinyokiart, an internet and IT law expert, said nowhere in the controversial Cyber Crime Act _ which was pushed through by the military-appointed government and took effect on July 19 _ does it say the government has the authority to freely block websites. The law says any move to block a website must be backed by a court order.

He said the Information and Communications Technology Ministry (ICT) had to first seek court orders if it wanted to block any ''undesirable'' websites. The Cyber Crime Act was passed through the National Legislative Assembly along with a number of other controversial bills this year, despite grave concerns raised by local and international human and media rights groups.

Edited August 17, 2007 by Stephen Cleary

[robsamui]

Having done several route traces for YouTube over the last few months - the story goes like this.

Official Governemt ban from April(?) to July, access was blocked by the CAT in BKK. This has now been lifted.

But now the "official ban" has gone, someone in TOT has decided to run a ban of their own. My ADSL signal (from Samui) stops dead at the Nakornratcharisma offices of the TOT.

Or is that - Nakorn Rat Charisma?

Amazing Thailand.

Rob

Edited August 17, 2007 by robsamui

[Tony Clifton]

Still blocked. Calling TOT now to see what they say.

[sbk]

Having done several route traces for YouTube over the last few months - the story goes like this.

Official Governemt ban from April(?) to July, access was blocked by the CAT in BKK. This has now been lifted.

But now the "official ban" has gone, someone in TOT has decided to run a ban of their own. My ADSL signal (from Samui) stops dead at the Nakornratcharisma offices of the TOT.

Or is that - Nakorn Rat Charisma?

Amazing Thailand.

Rob

Actually rob, its Nakhon Ratchasima. No charisma at all

Interestingly, I can get youtube when using EDGE through my mobile phone (CAT) but not through Maxnet ADSL.

[Tony Clifton]

The tech who answered did not know about youtube.

He asked me to spell it for him.

He said it is blocked by the Royal Thai police.

My wife reads the same text that appears on the screen and says there is no mention of the Royal Thai police on there but some vague explanation that it contains videos that may offend Thai people's feelings.

I'd send the minister an email but he admitted to never reading it.

"Unforgiving Thailand"

Edited August 17, 2007 by Tony Clifton

[Stephen Cleary]

The tech who answered did not know about youtube.

He asked me to spell it for him.

He said it is blocked by the Royal Thai police.

My wife reads the same text that appears on the screen and says there is no mention of the Royal Thai police on there but some vague explanation that it contains videos that may offend Thai people's feelings.

I'd send the minister an email but he admitted to never reading it.

"Unforgiving Thailand"

You do in effect, have the right to sue for any blockage of sites which you wish to view. As for emailing Dr Sittichai the Minister - well, he was the one who declared just a month or so ago that he would lift the blocking within a week!

Let the MICT do the illegal blocking as they wish....... it only makes themselves - and the government - look more of a Benny Hill escapade.

Edited August 17, 2007 by Stephen Cleary

[Tony Clifton]

It's only a pain when I want to watch full length online documentaries and movies that are stored on youtube. Luckily, there are plenty of other sites from where to watch.

Maybe they're trying to cut bandwidth as well?

[sriracha john]

The tech who answered did not know about youtube.

He asked me to spell it for him.

He said it is blocked by the Royal Thai police.

My wife reads the same text that appears on the screen and says there is no mention of the Royal Thai police on there but some vague explanation that it contains videos that may offend Thai people's feelings.

I'd send the minister an email but he admitted to never reading it.

"Unforgiving Thailand"

You do in effect, have the right to sue for any blockage of sites which you wish to view. As for emailing Dr Sittichai the Minister - well, he was the one who declared just a month or so ago that he would lift the blocking within a week!

Let the MICT do the illegal blocking as they wish....... it only makes themselves - and the government - look more of a Benny Hill escapade.

Lifting the blockage was conditional upon YouTube removing the offensive videos, which they had agreed to do, but have failed to do on follow-up.

Seems rather simple..... remove the videos as they said they would, the site gets unblocked....

but then again, the corportate bigwigs have decided they haven't milked the situation enough which will continue to generate controversy and increase interest in the site and thus business revenue for them.... it only makes themselves... look more of a Michael Douglas "Wallstreet" escapade.

Edited August 18, 2007 by sriracha john

[lazeeboy]

Having done several route traces for YouTube over the last few months - the story goes like this.

Official Governemt ban from April(?) to July, access was blocked by the CAT in BKK. This has now been lifted.

But now the "official ban" has gone, someone in TOT has decided to run a ban of their own. My ADSL signal (from Samui) stops dead at the Nakornratcharisma offices of the TOT.

Or is that - Nakorn Rat Charisma?

Amazing Thailand.

Rob

Actually rob, its Nakhon Ratchasima. No charisma at all

Interestingly, I can get youtube when using EDGE through my mobile phone (CAT) but not through Maxnet ADSL.

i get you tube in samui on maxnet adsl.....

[sbk]

Must be recent then, lazeeboy, because as of last week, last time I checked, I could not get it.

[Tony Clifton]

The controversial video(s) may well have been removed only to get posted again and again by the same stupid user(s) to create a controversial loop and permanent censorship issue from within the country by using the most revered person in the country in order to serve and give ammunition to "The Emperor" now living in exile.

[JetsetBkk]

Must be recent then, lazeeboy, because as of last week, last time I checked, I could not get it.

"Visual Route" reports a 100% loss at "61.19.10.1" which is "CAT TELECOM Data Comm. Dept, Intrenet Office"

(Yes, they can't even spell 'Internet' correctly )

[jayceenik]

The tech who answered did not know about youtube.

He asked me to spell it for him.

He said it is blocked by the Royal Thai police.

My wife reads the same text that appears on the screen and says there is no mention of the Royal Thai police on there but some vague explanation that it contains videos that may offend Thai people's feelings.

I'd send the minister an email but he admitted to never reading it.

"Unforgiving Thailand"

Six weeks ago, right after the launch of the EU info channel on YouTube, I emailed ict.cyberclean.org to advise them that they shouldn't block this EU channel because it is not pornographic or constitutes a menace for Thailand's security. No reply, of course! I would like to see a local child protection NGO ask the powers-that-be why the just-launched YouTube ICMC DontYouForgetMe channel calling attention to missing children worlwide is blocked. That channel was immediately and publicly endorsed by Laura Bush but here in Thailand it is blocked. Unbelievable!

I also think that the lèse-majesté clips should be removed because they're certainly of no interest anyway. They're just crude and offensive (I had them described to me by a friend in the US). They were obviously uploaded by a creep who was looking for YouTube to be blocked in Thailand and he succeeded! The best would have been to just block those clips right away and be done with it. The less said about them the better. Instead they have made plenty people aware of them who would otherwise have not paid any attention to such useless trash.

[sriracha john]

YouTube Under Fire Over Nazi Clips

YouTube’s in trouble again, and this goes far beyond issues of copyright law; the German government, along with at least one major Jewish group, is angry about the presence of Nazi propaganda on the video-sharing site.

“The appearance or distribution of Nazi material is illegal in Germany,” notes Bloomberg’s Patrick Donahue. As a result, Jugendschutz.de, “[a] government-sponsored Internet watchdog group,” has had to file “more than 100 complaints to YouTube about the clips.”

Another section of the Bloomberg piece reveals that “Salomon Korn, vice president of the Central Council of Jews in Germany, told SWR [a German broadcaster] that he expects state prosecutors and authorities to take action.”

Google and YouTube spokespeople have claimed that they will remove every inappropriate clip, but it remains to be seen if the companies can act quickly - and thoroughly - enough. And even if Google is perfectly accommodating, new Nazi videos could be uploaded onto YouTube and complicate matters.

No timetables have been set for whatever sort of showdown may occur. In the meantime, Google is probably less than happy about the publicity it’s receiving due to this matter.

- Web Pro News