I Tried Fresh Kratom Leaves

[AwwYesNice1]

Chewed 2 leafs and it tasted like total ass.

Did have an energy spurt and also seemed to 

alleviate some back pain.

 

Maybe there is a reason it's been used for centuries. 

[Emeraldisle]

Tried it also.  Didn't feel any difference. Didn't like the taste. Maybe didn't chew it for long enough. 

[Sanookmike]

I've heard they make a tea out if and add soft drink to make it taste better. Some add cough syrup too as it's supposed to have some narcotic effect..

 

I've never fancied the stuff myself as it's supposed to have opiate effects at high doses which just isn't my thing.

 

Edited December 2, 2021 by Sanookmike

[ezzra]

 

2 hours ago, AwwYesNice1 said:

Chewed 2 leafs and it tasted like total ass.

Next time try it with  some French vinaigrette on...

[CHEYENNE5668]

I get it in capsules. Pop 2 or 3 before the gym, and I have a tremendous workout. But I have read bad things about everyday use, so I only use 1 or 2 times a week

[IvorBiggun2]

Had it as tea and chewed it raw a few times but nothing. Also tried THC. That too did nothing.

[blackprince]

5 minutes ago, IvorBiggun2 said:

Had it as tea and chewed it raw a few times but nothing. Also tried THC. That too did nothing.

You need a fairly high dose of Kratom if you're looking for a "high". A cup of tea of a few leaves produces a slightly higher alertness (not surprising I guess as it's in the caffeine family).

 

THC is illegal in Thailand and so is the THC variant of cannabis. THC will definitely give anyone a noticeable "high".

 

Maybe you tried the CBD variety of cannabis, which has been legalised in Thailand for medicinal purposes under strict licensing for production, but hasn't hit the retail shelves yet.

[IvorBiggun2]

24 minutes ago, blackprince said:

You need a fairly high dose of Kratom if you're looking for a "high". A cup of tea of a few leaves produces a slightly higher alertness (not surprising I guess as it's in the caffeine family).

 

THC is illegal in Thailand and so is the THC variant of cannabis. THC will definitely give anyone a noticeable "high".

 

Maybe you tried the CBD variety of cannabis, which has been legalised in Thailand for medicinal purposes under strict licensing for production, but hasn't hit the retail shelves yet.

 Maybe I'll try an higher volume of Kratom and see if that works.. As for THC oil I obtained that from my local government hospital. How you can say it's illegal. I don't understand?

[cyril sneer]

You need to chew 15-20 to get the full effect

 

Also need a drink to wash down the chewed leaves, I quite like Oishi green tea. You do get used to the taste

 

if you are looking for the full drug effect it’s better to buy the ground down powder from shopee, very cheap, the one I get is 100g for 100 baht

 

1-2 spoons of that and you can feel why it was made illegal 

[Peterw42]

10 minutes ago, IvorBiggun2 said:

 Maybe I'll try an higher volume of Kratom and see if that works.. As for THC oil I obtained that from my local government hospital. How you can say it's illegal. I don't understand?

Its not THC oil (THC is illegal), its CBD oil from a hospital.

There is dope that gets you stoned (THC) and dope that has medicinal properties (CBD), they are two different things.

[blackprince]

24 minutes ago, IvorBiggun2 said:

 Maybe I'll try an higher volume of Kratom and see if that works.. As for THC oil I obtained that from my local government hospital. How you can say it's illegal. I don't understand?

There are 2 main variants of cannabis - THC & CBD (In reality all cannabis plants contain both chemicals and around 64 others, but the THC strain is high in THC and low in CBD, and the CBD strain is high in CBD and low in THC).

 

The Thai medicinal programme is based on the CBD strain, not the THC strain which remains illegal here and there are no plans to legalise it.

 

I also have participated in the pre-retail hospital programme here in Thailand, and it's based exclusively on the CBD strain. The term "ganja" is applied equally to both in Thailand, which is perhaps where the confusion came from in the information you were given.

 

Here's the latest addition to the Pizza Company menu - the "ganja pizza". It won't get you high or provide the "crazy happy pizza" effect advertised.

 

Edited December 3, 2021 by blackprince

[BritManToo]

8 minutes ago, Peterw42 said:

Its not THC oil (THC is illegal), its CBD oil from a hospital.

There is dope that gets you stoned (THC) and dope that has medicinal properties (CBD), they are two different things.

Would disagree,

THC has similar medicinal properties.

[IvorBiggun2]

5 minutes ago, Peterw42 said:

Its not THC oil (THC is illegal), its CBD oil from a hospital.

No, definitely THC oil was what I was given. 

[blackprince]

Just now, IvorBiggun2 said:

No, definitely THC oil was what I was given. 

Ivor, I don't wish to start an argument, but there are 3 reasons why I'm certain you weren't given THC:

 

1. You would definitely have got "high".

 

2. It's not legal here.

 

3. Our farm was one of the first to be licensed to grow medicinal CBD - I know the medicinal cannabis industry here intimately

[IvorBiggun2]

5 minutes ago, blackprince said:

Ivor, I don't wish to start an argument, but there are 3 reasons why I'm certain you weren't given THC:

Neither do I wish to argue but THC was what I was prescribed and I felt nothing.

[blackprince]

1 hour ago, IvorBiggun2 said:

Neither do I wish to argue but THC was what I was prescribed and I felt nothing.

I'm not a stoner myself, but I'm sure any stoner here would confirm that if you'd been given THC, you'd know it.

 

As I mentioned above, all cannabis plants have a combination of CBD and THC. The medicine that is prescribed by hospitals here derives from the CBD variety. It would contained insignificant amounts of THC, that's unavoidable, but not sufficient to give you a high, and not sufficient to be described correctly as THC.

 

The fact that you felt no "high" is conclusive evidence that you were not given THC, regardless of what you believe you were given.

[cyril sneer]

is CBD oil proven to have health benefits? seems like a placebo to me, no fun without THC

[RafPinto]

5 hours ago, AwwYesNice1 said:

Chewed 2 leafs and it tasted like total ass.

Did have an energy spurt and also seemed to 

alleviate some back pain.

 

Maybe there is a reason it's been used for centuries. 

555

Have you ever tried ass????????????

[blackprince]

7 minutes ago, cyril sneer said:

is CBD oil proven to have health benefits? seems like a placebo to me, no fun without THC

There haven't been any clinical trials of CBD, but there's a huge amount of anecdotal evidence.

 

As always with anecdotal evidence some of it is plausible and some of it is suspect.

 

On the other hand, there is plenty of evidence that links THC to psychosis. But THC isn't the topic of the thread (and neither is CBD for that matter).

[cyril sneer]

Just now, blackprince said:

There haven't been any clinical trials of CBD, but there's a huge amount of anecdotal evidence.

 

As always with anecdotal evidence some of it is plausible and some of it is suspect.

 

On the other hand, there is plenty of evidence that links THC to psychosis. But THC isn't the topic of the thread (and neither is CBD for that matter).

yes that's true

[blackprince]

5 hours ago, AwwYesNice1 said:

Chewed 2 leafs and it tasted like total ass.

Did have an energy spurt and also seemed to 

alleviate some back pain.

 

Maybe there is a reason it's been used for centuries. 

Quite. Chewing kratom leaves is not dissimilar to chewing coca leaves, according to the evidence.

 

High dosages of concentrated powdered kratom however are said to have more of an opiate effect, without the addiction.

[clivebaxter]

2 hours ago, blackprince said:

You need a fairly high dose of Kratom if you're looking for a "high". A cup of tea of a few leaves produces a slightly higher alertness (not surprising I guess as it's in the caffeine family).

 

THC is illegal in Thailand and so is the THC variant of cannabis. THC will definitely give anyone a noticeable "high".

 

Maybe you tried the CBD variety of cannabis, which has been legalised in Thailand for medicinal purposes under strict licensing for production, but hasn't hit the retail shelves yet.

Several vids on You Tube showing cafes in Pattaya selling THC products, including oil, 5 grams for 1k baht. 

[blackprince]

5 minutes ago, clivebaxter said:

Several vids on You Tube showing cafes in Pattaya selling THC products, including oil, 5 grams for 1k baht. 

I didn't say it wasn't sold, I said it wasn't legal.

 

I also said (twice) that all cannabis plants contain a mix of CBD and THC, and that the only legal variant in Thailand is the high CBD-low THC variant which will definitely not give a THC high.

 

Also I guess it's possible the Pattaya retailer may have been indulging in creative marketing, just as the Pizza Company are with their "ganja pizza" that I posted above.

[Sheryl]

3 hours ago, IvorBiggun2 said:

 Maybe I'll try an higher volume of Kratom and see if that works.. As for THC oil I obtained that from my local government hospital. How you can say it's illegal. I don't understand?

 

You probably got CBD oil not THC oil I think. Which is legal.

 

And doesn't do anything for me or anyone I know, either. But some people swear by it.

 

 

[IvorBiggun2]

56 minutes ago, blackprince said:

I didn't say it wasn't sold, I said it wasn't legal.

Well the government hospital that prescribed me is acting illegally then?

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Monday 11^th May 2019 marked the opening of Thailand’s first two full-time clinics dispensing cannabis oil for medical treatment. The step reflects the government’s intent to promote licensed use of marijuana products to relieve the symptoms of a range of ailments.

 

[IvorBiggun2]

14 minutes ago, Sheryl said:

You probably got CBD oil not THC oil I think.

No I definitely got THC.

 

 

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There are, however, several hospitals in Thailand that now prescribe medical cannabis as a treatment option. You can find a list of hospitals that prescribe medical cannabis by simply clicking HERE.

 

Edited December 3, 2021 by IvorBiggun2

[Peterw42]

1 hour ago, clivebaxter said:

Several vids on You Tube showing cafes in Pattaya selling THC products, including oil, 5 grams for 1k baht. 

They are selling CBD products and hemp leaves, nothing to do with THC marijuana that gets you high. A different species of cannabis plants.

[blackprince]

1 minute ago, IvorBiggun2 said:

Well the government hospital that prescribed me is acting illegally then?

 

1. I never said the hospital was acting illegally. I said you were mistaken in what you took. Even if you were given something that was labelled THC it would have been extracted from the CBD variant (which as I've said a few times now contains tiny traces of THC, but far too small for a "high", and lacking the therapeutic effects of CBD anyway).

 

2. Your link to France 24 ( ! ) talks about cannabis oil. Cannabis oil can be made with both the CBD and the THC cannabis variant. But the THC variant is illegal in Thailand. By the way, I'd recommend the tincture rather than the oil. Thai hospitals are still researching extraction methods, and in my experience here the tincture is superior to the oil.

 

I'll just say it again, your own experience of the medication you took demonstrates conclusively that it was not THC. THC is a highly concentrated extract from the THC variant and is known to be connected to cases of psychosis. If you had taken THC you would have noticed a major psychotropic effect, but you have said you felt nothing.

 

 

[IvorBiggun2]

This is what I was prescribed. This is what I took.

 

[Skallywag]

Sorry to derail into THC from Kratom once more - here is what I found about GPO

I did read that GPO sells 1:1 THC CBD oil for terminal cancer patients through hospitals.

The photo above GPO THC 5 ml is just 0.5 mg/ml, so very very small amount THC

 Yet THC:CBD(1:1) with THC @ 27 mg/ml is being made. https://cannabis.fda.moph.go.th/gpo/

Cannabis medicinal formula, Government Pharmaceutical Organization (GPO), Pharmacopoeia : 

• – GPO CBD 10 ml (CBD 100 mg/ml )
• – GPO THC:CBD(1:1) 5ml (THC 27 mg/ml, CBD 25 mg/ml)
  – GPO THC 5 ml (0.5 mg/drop )
• – THC DMS OIL 5 ml (THC 13 mg/ml or 0.5 mg/drop )
• – GPO CBD 30 ml (100 mg/ml (CBD4mg/drop) )