Poll: Has Science Been Beneficial or Detrimental to Humanity?

[Hummin]

9 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Because you have defined science as everything, than everything that is anything needs it. yes? And again, because you have defined everything as science, it follows that everyone is a scientist, yes? 

 

You have defined science as everything, now you're claiming air is not science, how is that? 

 

And no, you don't need to find oxygen to weld.

From finding something by coincidence a piece of lumber to invent a wheel, it takes quite a bit of understanding, right? Welding with acetylen and o2 I ment, and yes as a young welder in my past, I had to learn the science behind welding, but it is not necessery to know the science behind it to learn to weld. But if you want to make a improved welding machine, it is necessery. Right? 

[thaibeachlovers]

7 minutes ago, Hummin said:

From finding something by coincidence a piece of lumber to invent a wheel, it takes quite a bit of understanding, right? Welding with acetylen and o2 I ment, and yes as a young welder in my past, I had to learn the science behind welding, but it is not necessery to know the science behind it to learn to weld. But if you want to make a improved welding machine, it is necessery. Right? 

This is off topic. That's it for me on the wheel and welding.

Topic is has-science-been-beneficial-or-detrimental-to-humanity.

 

[Hummin]

7 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

This is off topic. That's it for me on the wheel and welding.

Topic is has-science-been-beneficial-or-detrimental-to-humanity.

 

What is science or not have been part of the discussion from beginning, so ? Well science give ordinary people possibilties to learn and execute different proffessions without really knowing the science behind it! We can say that is one of the positive aspects about science? 

Edited January 4, 2022 by Hummin

[Yellowtail]

39 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I didn't say that air is not science as indeed it is just air. Discovering the components of air would be science. Extraction of O2 from air is manufacturing/ engineering.

As a qualified welder I'd like to see you weld steel with acetylene alone, however, yes, electric arc welding, is done without O2.

You didn't say "weld steel" nor did you say oxyacetylene welding, you said "weld". When you have to keep redefining the terms you use, the wheels have fallen off you're arguments. 

 

As someone who has qualified at least fifty welders, I think it safe to say you seem to know little about welding. 

 

[thaibeachlovers]

6 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

You didn't say "weld steel" nor did you say oxyacetylene welding, you said "weld". When you have to keep redefining the terms you use, the wheels have fallen off you're arguments. 

 

As someone who has qualified at least fifty welders, I think it safe to say you seem to know little about welding. 

 

If you know my welding ability from what I wrote you must be psychic.

BTW anyone can claim to do anything on here, even qualify 50 welders, LOL.

 

 

[Yellowtail]

36 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

If you know my welding ability from what I wrote you must be psychic.

I said nothing of your ability as a welder, only that you seemed to lack any real knowledge of welding. No need to be psychic to figure that out, That you (apparently)  believe oxygen must be extracted and used to weld something demonstrated that.

 

36 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

BTW anyone can claim to do anything on here, even qualify 50 welders, LOL.

 

Exactly. And I said at least fifty. If you were indeed a qualified welder you would know how little time, effort, knowledge and competence is required to do that, and how little it means.

 

To be clear, I generally have a lot of respect for welders. Qualifications? Not so much.  

[seedy]

2 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

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Ancient fossil reveals face of early human ancestor

 

August 28, 2019 / 4:44 PM / AP

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A fossil from Ethiopia is letting scientists look millions of years into our evolutionary history — and they see a face peering back.

The find, from 3.8 million years ago, reveals the face for a presumed ancestor of the species famously represented by Lucy, the celebrated Ethiopian partial skeleton found in 1974.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ancient-fossil-reveals-face-of-early-human-ancestor-lucy/

Edited January 4, 2022 by seedy

[Tippaporn]

2 hours ago, Skeptic7 said:

  

On 1/3/2022 at 10:34 AM, Tippaporn said:

Not trying to be smart

No chance of that ????

You've been absent for the entire latter half of this thread, Skeptic.  Not a peep.  You were doing so well.  You should have stuck with this sage advice:

 

"Even a fool is thought wise if he keeps silent, and discerning if he holds his tongue."
- Proverbs 17:28

 

But you pop up out of nowhere to ignore this fine wisdom instead:

"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt."

- ascribed to Mark Twain

[seedy]

To post - or not to post - that is the question

Decide for yourself - and let others do likewise

[Tippaporn]

15 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

Does believing the "science" not require faith?

I think you make a good point here, Yellowtail.  There's subtlety in it.  And I think the subtlety is this:  Most people do not at all have a scientific background.  Perhaps to the extent that they may have taken biology or chemistry or physics in high school, as I did.  Most of what was learned perhaps now also long forgotten.  Or some may have added to their scientific knowledge thru attending higher education.  But I think it's fair to say that most have no real in depth knowledge of science at all.

Therefore, the term "trust the science" does indeed require faith for many.  You might even say it requires pure faith in certain instances since for most there is no available means to personally verify the pronouncements of science.  My point is evidenced by the many pronouncements made of COVID issues from both sides of the aisle.  Most of us are standing in the middle of the arguments, caught in the crossfire, with no means to review any of the findings, pro or con, for ourselves.

"Trust the science."

In such cases as the example given is it anything other than pure faith which we must extend to the individual or other entity that he/she/they have got it right?

[tgw]

3 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

That's engineering, IMO, not science. Discovering that O2 exists in air would be science.

I don't know why there is a debate about what "science" is or what "engineering" is.

These words have precise definitions that can be looked up in a dictionary. Of course there sometimes is some overlap.

 

No, a majority of people voting in favor of an alternative definition of a word do not make that other meaning correct.
 

[Skeptic7]

1 hour ago, Tippaporn said:

You've been absent for the entire latter half of this thread, Skeptic.  Not a peep.  You were doing so well.  You should have stuck with this sage advice:

 

"Even a fool is thought wise if he keeps silent, and discerning if he holds his tongue."
- Proverbs 17:28

 

But you pop up out of nowhere to ignore this fine wisdom instead:

"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt."

- ascribed to Mark Twain

????It's my thread and I'll post if I want to...post if I want to...post if I want to????

????

[Tippaporn]

6 minutes ago, Skeptic7 said:

????It's my thread and I'll post if I want to...post if I want to...post if I want to????

????

You just ruined a perfectly good song, Skeptic.  LOL

 

 

[Yellowtail]

58 minutes ago, tgw said:

I don't know why there is a debate about what "science" is or what "engineering" is.

These words have precise definitions that can be looked up in a dictionary. Of course there sometimes is some overlap.

 

No, a majority of people voting in favor of an alternative definition of a word do not make that other meaning correct.
 

 

But we had science and engineering long before we had words for them. Words are redefined all the time. 

[moogradod]

14 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

 

But we had science and engineering long before we had words for them. Words are redefined all the time. 

Rumours are that one of my ancestors held a degree in hand-axe design and manufacturing from the institute of the big cave. It developed all from there.

[Tippaporn]

1 hour ago, moogradod said:

Rumours are that one of my ancestors held a degree in hand-axe design and manufacturing from the institute of the big cave. It developed all from there.

What a frickin' coincidence!  One of my ancestors had the same degree.  Was your ancestor's professor Dr. Cro Magnon by any chance?

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On 1/4/2022 at 9:31 AM, thaibeachlovers said:

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Early humans first migrated out of Africa into Asia probably between 2 million and 1.8 million years ago. They entered Europe somewhat later, between 1.5 million and 1 million years. Species of modern humans populated many parts of the world much later.

 https://humanorigins.si.edu/education/introduction-human-evolution