ICE vs EV, the debate thread

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2 hours ago, Lacessit said:

A very lengthy justification of an expensive purchase. Which is OK if you are an EV worshiper, or a car worshiper in general. To me, they are a tool to get me from point A to point B, preferably with no fuss. Performance, and bells and whistles don't matter to me. I don't drive any faster than 100 km/hr. The only coddling my cars get is regular maintenance and always Michelin tires.

 

At my age, I would be battling to rack up 5000 km a year. I travel to Chiang Mai from Chiang Rai about 4 times a year, that's the extent of my distance excursions.

 

So what's the point of me owning a million baht vehicle of either description? Dress it up any way you want, a car is a depreciating asset. Financially, I am better off driving the Vios, which my mechanic swears will outlive me.

 

I suppose I should thank EV's for one aspect, if the Vios does die, they are driving down the prices of low mileage secondhand ICE's.

Buy yourself a bike… 🙄

[KhunLA]

2 hours ago, Lacessit said:

A very lengthy justification of an expensive purchase. Which is OK if you are an EV worshiper, or a car worshiper in general. To me, they are a tool to get me from point A to point B, preferably with no fuss. Performance, and bells and whistles don't matter to me. I don't drive any faster than 100 km/hr. The only coddling my cars get is regular maintenance and always Michelin tires.

 

At my age, I would be battling to rack up 5000 km a year. I travel to Chiang Mai from Chiang Rai about 4 times a year, that's the extent of my distance excursions.

 

So what's the point of me owning a million baht vehicle of either description? Dress it up any way you want, a car is a depreciating asset. Financially, I am better off driving the Vios, which my mechanic swears will outlive me.

 

I suppose I should thank EV's for one aspect, if the Vios does die, they are driving down the prices of low mileage secondhand ICE's.

No need to justify the purchase, just explaining how much more economical it is to operate & maintain.   Much less than an ICEV.

 

I think the numbers went over your head.  Over the life of our BEV, we will have saved almost the cost of the initial purchase.  As we do rack up the kms.  20k the first, second 20k took a bit longer, over 1 year.   Rack up the same kms, and an ICEV will cost you the price of the car, to operate & maintain.

 

That's a damn economical purchase, comfy and performs nicely.  If waited 2.5 yrs, then could have save ฿220k on purchase price ... BUT ... loss the same, due to more depreciation of car we sold, and loss of petrol savings on the 45k kms we racked up.  Also missed out on driving a better performing car.

 

This is probably the last car I'll own, and definitely the last car the wife will own, as she won't rack up the kms after I crap out.  And she's 22 yrs younger.   She'll be driving it for another 20 yrs or more.  If she puts 20 kms on a week, that would be a lot for her.

 

Now, about same buy in cost for ICEV & BEV

BEV ... 20k local kms, cost ฿13k a year, charging at home (PEA/MEA)

ICEV ... 20k local kms, cost ฿46k a year. (14 kpL @ ฿32 / Liter)

 

What ever makes one happy.

HAPPY TRAVELS ... Be Safe

 

(adjusted petrol cost, as down from ฿35 to ฿32 / L ... for now)

 

[Lacessit]

59 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

No need to justify the purchase, just explaining how much more economical it is to operate & maintain.   Much less than an ICEV.

 

I think the numbers went over your head.  Over the life of our BEV, we will have saved almost the cost of the initial purchase.  As we do rack up the kms.  20k the first, second 20k took a bit longer, over 1 year.   Rack up the same kms, and an ICEV will cost you the price of the car, to operate & maintain.

 

That's a damn economical purchase, comfy and performs nicely.  If waited 2.5 yrs, then could have save ฿220k on purchase price ... BUT ... loss the same, due to more depreciation of car we sold, and loss of petrol savings on the 45k kms we racked up.  Also missed out on driving a better performing car.

 

This is probably the last car I'll own, and definitely the last car the wife will own, as she won't rack up the kms after I crap out.  And she's 22 yrs younger.   She'll be driving it for another 20 yrs or more.  If she puts 20 kms on a week, that would be a lot for her.

 

Now, about same buy in cost for ICEV & BEV

BEV ... 20k local kms, cost ฿13k a year, charging at home (PEA/MEA)

ICEV ... 20k local kms, cost ฿46k a year. (14 kpL @ ฿32 / Liter)

 

What ever makes one happy.

HAPPY TRAVELS ... Be Safe

 

(adjusted petrol cost, as down from ฿35 to ฿32 / L ... for now)

 

I understand your numbers. I don't dispute them, at an annual use of 20,000 km.

 

I am talking about 5000 km a year, if that. The initial capital cost, to me, is not justifiable. Perhaps some of my Scots genes are kicking in.

 

I am also quite confident my Thai GF will be happier ( 23 years younger than me ) to be inheriting an extra 1 million baht than a car losing value every year it is on the road. She will do even less kilometres than me.

 

Each to his own, safe travels to you too.

[KhunLA]

19 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

I understand your numbers. I don't dispute them, at an annual use of 20,000 km.

 

I am talking about 5000 km a year, if that. The initial capital cost, to me, is not justifiable. Perhaps some of my Scots genes are kicking in.

 

I am also quite confident my Thai GF will be happier ( 23 years younger than me ) to be inheriting an extra 1 million baht than a car losing value every year it is on the road. She will do even less kilometres than me.

 

Each to his own, safe travels to you too.

5k kms a year ... not sure I'd even bother with owning a car 

 

Reality is, for us, we don't even 'need' a car, for local driving.  Everything we need, is less than 5 kms away.   We could easily get by with just the MB, Ebike, or pedal bike.  Can actually walk to local vendors, 300 meters away & 7-11,  just opened a new one, <2 kms away, which is a couple 100m away from the next, down the same road.

 

We have sixteen 7-11s, serving <30k people 

 

[Lacessit]

9 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

5k kms a year ... not sure I'd even bother with owning a car 

 

Reality is, for us, we don't even 'need' a car, for local driving.  Everything we need, is less than 5 kms away.   We could easily get by with just the MB, Ebike, or pedal bike.  Can actually walk to local vendors, 300 meters away & 7-11,  just opened a new one, <2 kms away, which is a couple 100m away from the next, down the same road.

 

We have sixteen 7-11s, serving <30k people 

 

I currently use a scooter around Chiang Rai, for shopping.

 

I know there will come a time when I will have to surrender the convenience of the scooter for the safer option of four wheels.

[KhunLA]

45 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

I currently use a scooter around Chiang Rai, for shopping.

 

I know there will come a time when I will have to surrender the convenience of the scooter for the safer option of four wheels.

Never ... not giving up my MB, a BEV also 

 

Now that is a major upgrade, as long as you don't need range or top end.  The 125 Wave sat in the carport for years.  Only drove to top up fuel & tires.  We sold it, and following month, I bought the E-MB.

 

Wife was like ... "WTF, we didn't drive the Wave" 

She loves it 

 

Dog loves it also ... 

 

[Lacessit]

9 hours ago, KhunLA said:

Never ... not giving up my MB, a BEV also 

 

Now that is a major upgrade, as long as you don't need range or top end.  The 125 Wave sat in the carport for years.  Only drove to top up fuel & tires.  We sold it, and following month, I bought the E-MB.

 

Wife was like ... "WTF, we didn't drive the Wave" 

She loves it 

 

Dog loves it also ... 

 

My Yamaha TTX was bought secondhand as well, 9000 km. It's now at 35,000 km, still running sweetly.

 

I bought a Chinese electric scooter in Australia, the type you assemble yourself. Range about 8 km, top speed 30 km/hr.

 

Where I lived in Australia, there could be side winds of 50-60 km/hr on the foreshore. I sold it to a neighbor for what I paid for it, when I moved to Thailand.

 

Nice looking dog. They love having their noses in the wind.

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Is that hills/islands in the background OR Tesla/Neta stock market price?😜