Meta v Matrix

[thaibeachlovers]

18 hours ago, bradiston said:

How about introducing imagination into the equation! I mean, I can imagine, ie visualize, a journey across Mars terrain, probably because I've seen it on a NASA video at some time. But, I can't imagine a dinner in a 3 star Michelin restaurant consisting of lobster and champagne. Well, maybe I can, but is this what Sugar Mountain is going to offer me? The Matrix was an all encompassing existence for those inside it, although the only inhabitants we meet are the agents Smith. The other inhabitants weren't aware of their "non existence". They had no consciousness. They were software creations, as evidenced by the programmer who asks Neo about the lady in the red dress.

 

Anyway, to return to imagination. Or dreams. Can these be captured and replayed? Developed, enhanced, realised? Will we all become part of somebody else's metaworld?

Dreams are the product of electrical impulses in the brain. Invent a machine that can read and record those impulses and voila, dreams can be captured.

However, would you want to record your dreams? Those I remember are never anything worth replaying. No willing beautiful women in mine.

[Tippaporn]

42 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

IMO our brains are just biological computers. They work on a ( genetic ) program. the program should be able to be downloaded/ uploaded to a machine.

Many don't think we have souls.

 

It's only impossible now, but in the future anything is possible.

"Many don't think we have souls."

Yourself included, most obviously, since you express the view that our brains (in other words, the physical representation of our being) are nothing more than "biological computers," programmed (by who? - who knows?) and genetically encoded.  Which is, in essence, the scientific view of life; we are nothing more than mechanistic creatures, our functioning controlled by preset coding and random chemical interactions.  But you are indeed correct.  There are many who subscribe, more or less, to your hypothesis.

What I find highly humourous is that people who believe firmly in these [scientifically based] ideas, and who would fervently insist that these ideas are a true representation of reality, are the first to scoff at religious and other concepts as superstitious idiocy while they themselves haven't a clue as to how their hypotheses actually would or could work.

And the kicker.  Since they are absolutely clueless as to how their ideas would actually work in actual vs. theoretical reality and know that they can't even begin to explain these workings then to at least give their ideas some feasible plausibility they can always throw out the fall back line of, "but in the future anything is possible."

LOL

[Tippaporn]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Dreams are the product of electrical impulses in the brain. Invent a machine that can read and record those impulses and voila, dreams can be captured.

However, would you want to record your dreams? Those I remember are never anything worth replaying. No willing beautiful women in mine.

Huh?  TBL, at least make a halfway decent effort to explain some of these nonsensical ideas in functional terms.  To play along let's assume that what you say is true; "Dreams are the product of electrical impulses in the brain."  Your dreams involve at least images and they also evoke feelings.  Where and how in the world would these images and feelings be stored in an electrical impulse?  And how would you practically translate those images?  What about the feelings generated by a dream, which are purely subjective?  How would you interpret and represent these?  By what mechanism?

I've made the point elsewhere that there is a reality that exists and operates as it does despite anyone's beliefs about it.  It is absolutely consistent, unwavering, and makes no exceptions to it's laws.  For instance, there are many ideas floating around as to the death experience.  Be sure, though, that when death visits it will treat you the same as everyone else.  There will be no consideration given in the slightest for your "belief."

Our problem, in my humble opinion, is that rather than getting closer to gaining a true understanding of what this reality truly is, and how it works, we are getting further away instead.  More and more it seems that people are coming up with all sorts of ideas which have no basis in actual reality.  And the further out these ideas get, the less they have any grounding in actual reality, the weirder things get.  These days weird and weirder are become the new normal in this world as people continue to cut themselves off from their source.

[thaibeachlovers]

1 minute ago, Tippaporn said:

Where and how in the world would these images and feelings be stored in an electrical impulse? 

Oh dear. I never said they were STORED in electrical impulses, I said "Dreams are the product of electrical impulses in the brain" ie created by electrical impulses.

 

I'm sure you do realise that everything we and our universe are made of is atoms in formation, which work on electricity.

 

BTW I do believe in souls, but it's not necessary for a soul to reside in the body.

[Tippaporn]

14 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Oh dear. I never said they were STORED in electrical impulses, I said "Dreams are the product of electrical impulses in the brain" ie created by electrical impulses.

 

I'm sure you do realise that everything we and our universe are made of is atoms in formation, which work on electricity.

 

BTW I do believe in souls, but it's not necessary for a soul to reside in the body.

What a minute.  Wait a minute.  Did you forget the rest of what you wrote?

 

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Dreams are the product of electrical impulses in the brain. Invent a machine that can read and record those impulses and voila, dreams can be captured.

 

However, would you want to record your dreams? <snip>

You're hypthesising specifically about capturing dreams (and suggesting that this is potentially feasible via some unknown, futuristic machine (anything is possible)).  Your hypothesis (actually, in scientific terms it's not even a hypotehesis but instead a guess) suggest that since dreams are the product of electrical impulses then it is simply a matter of reading and recording those impulses (viola!, as you say).  So the only logical conclusion that can be drawn from your hypothesis is that the dreams themselves are in one way or another contained "within" the electrical impulses.  Those are, according to your hypothesis, what will be read and then recorded to reproduce the dream (in what form only God knows as I'm sure you don't).

You've just made the point of my last post that your idea, and others just as weird, are taken and talked about quite seriously by what you might call prominent, highly educated (LOL), influential, and monied people.  And not just discussed.  Significant research is being undertaken as we speak.

And I may as well ask, while I'm at it, what is a soul?  Is it a thingy?  Something we possess?  If we are not a soul and only a possessor of it then why do we have one?  What's it's purpose?  What does it do?  What's it's function?  Where is it located?  Is it even physical?  And if not physical then how could that be as it's understood that there is nothing in existence other than the physical?  Do we use it?  How?  And if we don't use it then why?  What qualities does a soul have?  What does it consist of?  What stuff is it made of?

LOL.  So many questions.  So few answers.  And most have given up asking anymore.  Much simpler to just get along in the world the best you can and treat life as hit or miss.

[Tippaporn]

Bloomberg, Jan. 20, 2022 - Elon Musk’s Brain Implant Company Is Inching Toward Human Trials

 

Becker's Spine Review, Jan. 14th, 2022 - 5 things to know about Elon Musk's Neuralink

 

"Elon Musk’s brain implant company Neuralink is now hiring a clinical trial director, an indication that the company’s longstanding goal of implanting chips in human brains is coming closer."

". . . Neuralink plans to use the implant in human patients in 2022, pending FDA approval to begin clinical trials. The first applications are expected to be for spinal cord injury patients."

I imagine the applications could be limitless one day, LOL.

[Tippaporn]

The Metaverse Is Already A Cesspool Of Perversion

 

Swimming in the deluge of propaganda, one might think that virtual reality is just a cool environment to play games or hold office meetings. Advertisements show sleek wonderlands and smiling cartoons discussing profits in space. But this conceals the sordid depths of what the Metaverse will produce—a playground for demented desires, from sadism to pedophilia.

 

 

Edited January 27, 2022 by Tippaporn

[thaibeachlovers]

On 1/21/2022 at 4:35 PM, Tippaporn said:

You're hypthesising specifically about capturing dreams (and suggesting that this is potentially feasible via some unknown, futuristic machine (anything is possible)).  Your hypothesis (actually, in scientific terms it's not even a hypotehesis but instead a guess) suggest that since dreams are the product of electrical impulses then it is simply a matter of reading and recording those impulses (viola!, as you say).  So the only logical conclusion that can be drawn from your hypothesis is that the dreams themselves are in one way or another contained "within" the electrical impulses.  Those are, according to your hypothesis, what will be read and then recorded to reproduce the dream (in what form only God knows as I'm sure you don't).

When I type this it's transmitted by electricity. Whether the text is "contained "within" the electrical impulses" or not I have no idea. Such knowledge is not within my purview. All I know is that if a movie can be transmitted by electrical impulses and then put on a screen for us to view, it can't be so far out there to believe that the electrical impulses in a brain can also be put on a screen for us to see, and also to record, just as a tv movie is.

Just because the means is not available to do so now, it does not mean that those means will not be available in the future.

Many things will be invented in the future that we are unable to even conceive now. Would a Neanderthal man even think it possible for me to be using this computer to communicate with you?

[thaibeachlovers]

On 1/21/2022 at 4:35 PM, Tippaporn said:

And I may as well ask, while I'm at it, what is a soul?  Is it a thingy?  Something we possess?  If we are not a soul and only a possessor of it then why do we have one?  What's it's purpose?  What does it do?  What's it's function?  Where is it located?  Is it even physical?  And if not physical then how could that be as it's understood that there is nothing in existence other than the physical?  Do we use it?  How?  And if we don't use it then why?  What qualities does a soul have?  What does it consist of?  What stuff is it made of?

Our soul is "us". Our bodies are just biological transport mechanisms.

As for where it resides, and what happens to it after the body dies depends on whether one believes in God and an after life, or not.

[thaibeachlovers]

3 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

The Metaverse Is Already A Cesspool Of Perversion

 

Swimming in the deluge of propaganda, one might think that virtual reality is just a cool environment to play games or hold office meetings. Advertisements show sleek wonderlands and smiling cartoons discussing profits in space. But this conceals the sordid depths of what the Metaverse will produce—a playground for demented desires, from sadism to pedophilia.

 

 

I hope they invent "real" virtual reality while I can still enjoy the limitless possibilities. Imagine doing the hokey poky dance with any celebrity of our choosing!

[Tippaporn]

Interviewer: "Max, I would lie to you if I said that hoping that there's life after death is something that I do. I do. I think most people do. But how to address that question in anything other than an emotional or hope is very difficult. If not impossible."

 

Not impossible, as far as I'm concerned.  And I would argue that it would be much, much easier than trying to figure out the feasibility of uploading your being into another medium.  Let alone the myriad of considerations that must follow with such a capability.

Everyone decides for themselves what's possible and what is not.  But, whatever hypothesis one has the hypothesis has to account for every consideration.  And above all else, it must be practically functional.  If it's not then chances are good that the hypothesis is is nothing more than a pure guess.  In other words, if a hypothesis cannot have it's workings explained and how it fits into the whole then it is simply a belief.  One might even call it a superstition.

 

I would point out that the basic assumption being made in all of this talk is the assumption that the only reality which exists is physical reality.  And moreover that there is only one reality.  I would say both of these assumptions are terribly off.

 

Is Life After Death Possible? - Max More

[thaibeachlovers]

On 1/21/2022 at 3:40 PM, Tippaporn said:

Our problem, in my humble opinion, is that rather than getting closer to gaining a true understanding of what this reality truly is, and how it works, we are getting further away instead.  More and more it seems that people are coming up with all sorts of ideas which have no basis in actual reality.  And the further out these ideas get, the less they have any grounding in actual reality, the weirder things get.  These days weird and weirder are become the new normal in this world as people continue to cut themselves off from their source.

IMO you tink too mut.

No such thing, IMO, as one reality. Infinite dimensions, infinite possibilities in God's creation.

[Tippaporn]

16 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

When I type this it's transmitted by electricity. Whether the text is "contained "within" the electrical impulses" or not I have no idea. Such knowledge is not within my purview. All I know is that if a movie can be transmitted by electrical impulses and then put on a screen for us to view, it can't be so far out there to believe that the electrical impulses in a brain can also be put on a screen for us to see, and also to record, just as a tv movie is.

Just because the means is not available to do so now, it does not mean that those means will not be available in the future.

Many things will be invented in the future that we are unable to even conceive now. Would a Neanderthal man even think it possible for me to be using this computer to communicate with you?

You're ignoring the limits of this reality, TBL.  And it does have it's conditional limits.

Aside from that you have not been able to answer the question of where you are.  "You" are not an electrical impulse.  "You" are not your brain.  Until you understand that you'll continue to believe that something which is not possible is indeed possible.

[Tippaporn]

19 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Our soul is "us". Our bodies are just biological transport mechanisms.

As for where it resides, and what happens to it after the body dies depends on whether one believes in God and an after life, or not.

Death cares not one whit for what you believe about death and the experience is the same for all despite your beliefs.

[Tippaporn]

18 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I hope they invent "real" virtual reality while I can still enjoy the limitless possibilities. Imagine doing the hokey poky dance with any celebrity of our choosing!

LOL

[thaibeachlovers]

15 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Death cares not one whit for what you believe about death and the experience is the same for all despite your beliefs.

Not interested in debating with someone that has fixed ideas and denies others their beliefs because they don't fit with yours. Nothing is fixed and no such thing as "this reality".

 

Welcome to the ????.

[Tippaporn]

1 minute ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Not interested in debating with someone that has fixed ideas and denies others their beliefs because they don't fit with yours. Nothing is fixed and no such thing as "this reality".

 

Welcome to the ????.

I'm not denying anyone their beliefs, TBL.  You and others are free to believe what you will.  All I'm saying is that if you're going to argue for your belief then it has to make sense.  If it doesn't and people point it out then why take offense?  Rather than feel offended then argue better for your what you believe.

[Tippaporn]

AI “Nanny” Being Created by Chinese Scientists to Grow Babies in Robot Wombs.

 

The Matrix is here, LOL.

 

[zzaa09]

Too many are so easily taken in...

[patman30]

On 1/21/2022 at 7:56 AM, thaibeachlovers said:

For now. Who knows what will be around in 50, 100, 1000, a million years from now?

i know what will be released this year.????
and it's a giant leap.

[bradiston]

I've decided the Meta is definitely the Matrix. Consider: they, I mean Jeff, Mark and Bill to name a few, have so much data on us they could easily build, probably already have built, virtual versions of us all. Block chain SIMS. We are now disposable. They have our full photo IDs, and a ton besides, know where we eat, sleep, shop, holiday, they most likely know now, or will do once the banks see a profit in selling us all out, our bank accounts, our mortgage deeds, all ownership documents of everything. They can trade our stuff amongst themselves. Humans? Surplus to requirements. As Agent Smith says, our smell alone is disgusting, we're a cancer, we need erasing. So, write the software to replace us, and bingo, what's not to like? We'll all live on in virtuality as long as the Meta is up and running. Or, unplug now, and keep it real.