"Ungrateful son" beats his mother to death with a piece of timber - she'd refused to give him cash for Ya Ba

[webfact]

Daily News caption: Ungrateful Son

 

Daily News reported on the horrific case of a son who they called ungrateful in reference to a Thai legend. That was the understatement of 2022.

 

Na Yong police in the southern Thai province of Trang were called after a murder at a bungalow in their district. 

 

Lying dead with cerebral matter splattered all around a car parking area was 73 year old Phol. Her dentures were some way from the body. 

 

The assailant was soon identified as her 39 year old son who had fled on a Honda Wave.

 

The motorcycle was soon found parked at a rubber plantation and he was nearby.

 

He was still clutching a 1.5 meter long piece of bloodstained timber. He also had a knife in his waistband.

 

Police took him into custody after 3 hours. 

 

Picture: Daily News

 

It was reported that Phol had two children - the assailant, a Ya Ba addict for 20 years, was the eldest.

 

Some years ago he attempted to murder his own father by slashing his neck with a knife.

 

He had been released from jail for attempted murder and been in and out of prison at least 3/4 times. 

 

His latest brush with the law was in 2019 when he was arrested for Ya Ba (meth with caffeine) use and resisiting arrest. He only got out 3 months ago.

 

He had called his mother asking for his usual 100-200 baht handout for drugs but on this occasion she refused.

 

So he drove his no-plate bike over to her house 200 meters from where he lived and beat her to death by striking her at least 10 times in the head.

 

He is now in custody awaiting prosecution.

 

Daily News called him " an ungrateful son" referring to the Ramayana (Ramakian) legend of two buffalos - Thorapha and Thoraphee - in which the elder cruel buffalo is killed by his son. 

 

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[Paulaew]

The other day the Chanthburi murderer of 4 was described as "disgruntled." The man in this story who brutally beat his mother to death is described as "ungrateful."

 

Asean Now, please let the adjective fit the crime.

 

Paul Laew

[robblok]

Idiots on drugs, hope they lock him up for a long time.  What a total criminal. Lock him up throw away the key. 

[robblok]

Just now, Paulaew said:

The other day the Chanthburi murderer of 4 was described as "disgruntled." The man in this story who brutally beat his mother to death is described as "ungrateful."

 

Asean Now, please let the adjective fit the crime.

 

Paul Laew

I think there are not many adjectives fit to describe the crimes we have read about recently. Mind boggling how violent some people are. But when you got police officers with plastic bags and so on what do you expect. 

 

Thankfully I have encountered almost no crime in Thailand personally but its there and some people are just waiting to explode.

[RandiRona]

14 minutes ago, webfact said:

Some years ago he attempted to murder his own father by slashing his neck with a knife.

 

He had been released from jail for attempted murder and been in and out of prison at least 3/4 times. 

And still he was out?? I am not sure what it would be when they make Marijuana legal!!

[Paulaew]

2 minutes ago, RandiRona said:

And still he was out?? I am not sure what it would be when they make Marijuana legal!!

If he was off ya ba and doing some tokes at home he would be chillin' to some tunes and thinking about ordering a large pizza. And telling Mom how much he loved her.

 

Paul Laew

[spidermike007]

We are seeing more and more of this. Why? Because the boys are raised poorly. They are an overly entitled gender here in the LOS. Boys from an early age are told they are special.

 

What parents need to start doing is to tell their sons:
1. You are nothing special. You become special when you prove yourself to be a worth person. An exemplary character. A cut above the rest. Someone who gives and does not just take.
2. Your sister is special. She works hard, she is ambitious, and she is not lazy. Prove yourself to be at least equal to her. Women run this country.
3. Respect is not freely given. It must be earned. Go out into the world and earn respect.

 

Then these men might actually grow up to be mature, emotionally developed people. 

[steven100]

drug user, addict, taker .....   whatever,  say no more. 

[ezzra]

"Ungrateful" i would have chosen much, much harsher words to describe a deranged drudged up lunatic...

[2long]

Disgusting. He needs to be euthanised asap.

And why does the report have to disrespect the poor lady by such giving graphic details?

[JustAnotherHun]

15 minutes ago, RandiRona said:

I am not sure what it would be when they make Marijuana legal!!

LoL.

Yes, Cannabis is a severe danger. All these Ganja smoking murderers. Scaring. Watch "Reefer Madness" and you will see, what the legalization of Cannabis will do to the society.

[RandiRona]

20 minutes ago, Paulaew said:

If he was off ya ba and doing some tokes at home he would be chillin' to some tunes and thinking about ordering a large pizza. And telling Mom how much he loved her.

 

Paul Laew

We shall see, I doubt there would be responsible use.

[EVENKEEL]

I'm not much for sympathy, but this was so tragic. 

[RandiRona]

9 minutes ago, JustAnotherHun said:

LoL.

Yes, Cannabis is a severe danger. All these Ganja smoking murderers. Scaring. Watch "Reefer Madness" and you will see, what the legalization of Cannabis will do to the society.

I watched that before, question is about responsible use and I am not sure if Thai society is educated or knowledgeable enough to use it responsibly. We might have more traffic incidents if nothing worse.

[robblok]

17 minutes ago, steven100 said:

drug user, addict, taker .....   whatever,  say no more. 

Indeed steven addict, drug user. Thankfully this drug user only killed one compared like the other drug users we recently had in the news that killed multiple. Different drug though but same effect people end up dead. 

[robblok]

Just now, RandiRona said:

I watched that before, question is about responsible use and I am not sure if Thai society is educated or knowledgeable enough to use it responsibly. We might have more traffic incidents if nothing worse.

Ehh.. research showed you can better drive and be on weed then on alcohol. So it might actually reduce accidents. Why do you think there would be a difference in how responsible people are with alcohol and how they are with other drugs ?

 

Anyway not advocating to drive under the influence of any substance and it should be punished severely. 

[robblok]

1 minute ago, EVENKEEL said:

I'm not much for sympathy, but this was so tragic. 

Can you imagine killing your own mother? I mean that is next level evil. How could one live with themselves afterwards? 

[Paulaew]

5 minutes ago, RandiRona said:

I watched that before, question is about responsible use and I am not sure if Thai society is educated or knowledgeable enough to use it responsibly. We might have more traffic incidents if nothing worse.

Yes, they might have to institute a minimum speed limit.

 

Paul Laew

[RandiRona]

7 minutes ago, robblok said:

So it might actually reduce accidents.

This is based on your understanding that all those drinking and driving would change to chew and drive?? That's not the case my friend, there would be more maniacs on road than before.

7 minutes ago, robblok said:

Why do you think there would be a difference in how responsible people are with alcohol and how they are with other drugs

My point exactly. There is no responsible drinking and laws are not actually followed or enforced, not the sign of responsible society.

Edited February 2, 2022 by RandiRona

[robblok]

1 minute ago, RandiRona said:

This is based on your understanding that all those drinking and driving would change to chew and drive?? That's not the case my friend, there would be more maniacs on road than before.

My point exactly. There is no responsible drinking and laws are not actually followed or enforced, not the sign of responsible society.

Of course people won't all change from alcohol to weed, some will some wont. But your assuming that there will be a huge increase also not really a good assumption. Because I think there won't be a huge increase as many are already using it. It will just be decriminalised. 

 

I think best is to wait and see there is no real good reason to keep punishing people for using weed while at the same time allow the use of alcohol. Either ban all drugs alcohol included (not going to work or happen) or decriminalize some drugs and enforce the driving under the influence laws better.

 

It depends a lot on how many are using now and how many new will use and how many of those will be irresponsible. In the Netherlands it was not bad at all but lets wait and see. I for one think its utter madness to punish people for weed as its less damaging as alcohol.

 

I do agree that more checks for both alcohol and drugs should be done on those driving. People who are under the influence and operate a vehicle should be punished severely. 

[LennyW]

This oxygen thief just needs to be burned at the stake......with a forced onlooking crowd of other yabba heads!!

[ThaiFelix]

Believe it or not this is, in many cases, the result of the prohibition of marijuana which was mainly caused by the USA putting pressure on other countries to make it illegal or toughen penalties.  People have for centuries, all over the world, got off on something, be it marijuana, mushrooms, kratom, kava etc. etc. etc.  When its made unavailable they look for something else.  Unfortunately the alternative is usually synthetics ie man made chemicals.  I have seen it so many times in the many countries I have travelled.  "Hey Johnno, do you know of any weed getting around?"  "No, nothing mate, but Joe Bloggs has got some trips going or you can try Stevie, he had some speed last week" 

 

Why?  Because synthetics are made more readily available because of their size.  Criminals can make 10 to a 100 times more profit from smuggling or dealing in a kilo of say cocaine, compared to a kilo of weed.  Plus there is a lot less risk because the smaller size makes it more easily concealable.  Weed needs to be grown over a large easily detectable area outside for only a part of the year or indoors in an expensive sophisticated system to obtain the same profit synthetics can produce out of a normal sized kitchen.  The bigger profits also attract a much nastier criminal element just as it did in the US during the Prohibition era.  And what did that Prohibition achieve?  Endless violence, bloodshed, death, corruption, and political control in the wrong hands etc....but it didnt stop people drinking.

 

There are some people who have led sheltered lives or have traveled down completely different roads to others.  Or possibly they are just victims of propaganda such as "Reefer Madness"  (What a joke!) and they make comments on things they obviously have no knowledge of and seem to think all drugs are the same.  They certainly are not.  I challenge them to produce proof, lets say newspaper articles, where someone on marijuana has for example beaten his granny to death, raped a pregnant women in a phone box, taken his infant son up onto the roof and threatened to slit his throat if the police dont give him a joint etc etc.  I am sure you wont find any.  

 

If you do find any it will be a perpetrator who is mentally unstable and the fact he/she was high on weed is irrelevant...they could have done it on anything.  The killer in the OP I think was mentally unstable in the first place but the addition of yaa ba sent him over the edge.  Its not called "crazy drug" for nothing.  If he had been on weed and it was legal he would have merely gone into the back yard and picked a head or two, or got it from a neighbour, smoked a bong and all would be well....no innocent victims.  My wife has told me stories of how when she was a child it was popular to grow it on the banks along the sides of the rice paddies, how everybody put it in their cooking and smoked bongs after a hard days work.  Its use was still widespread here when I first traveled here in the early 80's .  But people still went about their normal lives, went to work, ran businesses, brought up families etc.  But there were no killings, savage attacks, or violence at all involving drugs because there was really only weed and kratom, it was easily obtained and it satisfied those who wanted to get off.

 

Thats my opinion and my experience, take it or leave it, but please dont make comments that you have no real knowlege of or experience with apart from unfounded propaganda.

 

 

 

[trainman34014]

2 hours ago, robblok said:

Can you imagine killing your own mother? I mean that is next level evil. How could one live with themselves afterwards? 

In a Society that teaches it's young people that everything that is wrong is actually right it is easy for them to 'live with it afterwards'.   Responsibility and Accountability are rarely taught by Parents; many millions of whom are ignorant of any decent Moral Standards themselves !

[robblok]

6 minutes ago, trainman34014 said:

In a Society that teaches it's young people that everything that is wrong is actually right it is easy for them to 'live with it afterwards'.   Responsibility and Accountability are rarely taught by Parents; many millions of whom are ignorant of any decent Moral Standards themselves !

Regardless of upbringing, if you kill one of your parents or a family member you will be confronted with that for the rest of your life. If you kill someone else you don't get confronted with it that much.

 

Its just hard for me to understand, then again this guy was probably mentally unstable.

[Adumbration]

2 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

We are seeing more and more of this. Why? Because the boys are raised poorly. They are an overly entitled gender here in the LOS. Boys from an early age are told they are special.

 

What parents need to start doing is to tell their sons:
1. You are nothing special. You become special when you prove yourself to be a worth person. An exemplary character. A cut above the rest. Someone who gives and does not just take.
2. Your sister is special. She works hard, she is ambitious, and she is not lazy. Prove yourself to be at least equal to her. Women run this country.
3. Respect is not freely given. It must be earned. Go out into the world and earn respect.

 

Then these men might actually grow up to be mature, emotionally developed people. 

What he said....

 

The loud music issue was just white noise created by the Thai press in the recent murder of the English man.  Again....drugs are just white noise here also.  Thai men, stoned or not, all suffer from the LES.  Little Emperor Syndrome.  When confronted by denial they react like 3 year olds.

[RichardColeman]

4 hours ago, webfact said:

He had been released from jail for attempted murder and been in and out of prison at least 3/4 times. 

Obviously cannot be rehabilitated, bullet to the head , end of

[connda]

Like the Thai movie Glong Khao Noi Kaa Mae. Very moving sad movie actually.

In that movie the "Ungrateful Son" kills his mum because she attended temple and was late with this food, and he felt she didn't give him enough sticky-rice.  He was then chained and allowed to build a shrine for his dead mother.  After the shrine is complete?  His head is lopped off Thai style.  Fitting as the punishment fit the crime.

Now?  The kid will wai and say he's so sorry, and will be out of jail before the guys who sold him the yaba.



The karaoke song outlines the plot.

 

Edited February 2, 2022 by connda

[BostonRob2]

4 hours ago, Paulaew said:

The other day the Chanthburi murderer of 4 was described as "disgruntled." The man in this story who brutally beat his mother to death is described as "ungrateful."

 

Asean Now, please let the adjective fit the crime.

 

Paul Laew

If you knew the story of Torapha and Toraphee that would explain the use of the word ungrateful. A perfect choice with a little extra by way of bathos. 

[connda]

4 hours ago, Paulaew said:

If he was off ya ba and doing some tokes at home he would be chillin' to some tunes and thinking about ordering a large pizza. And telling Mom how much he loved her.

 

Paul Laew

Those who have never tried cannabis are coming out in force nowadays to peach the gospel of Reefer Madness and homicidal stoners.  They completely miss the understanding of the effect of THC as compared to alcohol or yaba.  Drunks and tweekers kill people.  Stoners listen to music, strum the guitar, and eat munchies while watching Netflix.  The only time I've seen a violent stoner was when the stoner was mixing pot and alcohol. 
Tweekers as they degenerate become paranoid and violent.
Drunks can snap anytime.

Edited February 2, 2022 by connda

[Mac Mickmanus]

4 minutes ago, connda said:

Those who have never tried cannabis are coming out in force nowadays to peach the gospel of Reefer Madness and homicidal stoners.  They completely miss the understanding of the effect of THC as compared to alcohol or yaba.  Drunks and tweekers kill people.  Stoners listen to music, strum the guitar, and eat munchies while watching Netflix.  The only time I've seen a violent stoner was when the stoner was mixing pot and alcohol. 
Tweekers as they degenerate become paranoid and violent.
Drunks can snap anytime.

Stoners also seen to be continuously on internet forums saying that "Alcohol is worse than weed" over and over again in various forums