Assault on Kiev: Russian helicopters swoop above Ukraine's capital

[ozimoron]

2 hours ago, nauseus said:

And your goalposts are as shifty as ever.

 

This started with your idea that Biden united NATO, then that he warned everybody, finally finishing with a testament to the Economist. Your "weeks before" invasion were mostly about 1-2 - not much of a warning - and by which time any intelligence Biden had would have been shared with NATO and probably leaked out to Ukraine as well. Zelensky would have had more inside track info than anyone and must have known enough to prepare for the worst as best he could, whatever he said. Most of us were hoping that this would not happen as was he, I'm sure. 

Putin said that he had no intention of invading Ukraine but Biden called that bunkum and his intelligence was right on the money.

 

 

1 hour ago, Neeranam said:

My point was we shouldn't help them, it has nothing to do with us, well Thailand. UK, nearer but they're is no alliance with them. 

Russia and Ukraine are much the same people and should fight their own wars and not being others into it. Mind you, Biden stirred it up and. 

It has as much do with us as Germany attacking Czechoslovakia at the beginning of WW2. World peace is a global responsibility.

[Rimmer]

Off topic post and reply removed, topic is not about WW2

[rudi49jr]

47 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

I doubt it, who told you that? Why would Russians want Ukrainians killed? I work with Russians and Ukrainians and in the last year, they have been very nice to each other, blaming just the Russian leader. 

 

After the Russian invasion and all the atrocities (war crimes) that the Russian army and Wagner committed in Ukraine, I suspect there are not many Ukrainians left who have a favorable view of Russia, or the Russians in general.

[Neeranam]

2 minutes ago, rudi49jr said:

After the Russian invasion and all the atrocities (war crimes) that the Russian army and Wagner committed in Ukraine, I suspect there are not many Ukrainians left who have a favorable view of Russia, or the Russians in general.

In my experience, they don't blame the Russian civilians. 

Don't believe all you hear on CNN, I have RT, and they say Ukrainians are doing the war crimes.

Edited February 24, 2023 by Neeranam

[rudi49jr]

11 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

In my experience, they don't blame the Russian civilians. 

Don't believe all you hear on CNN, I have RT, and they say Ukrainians are doing the war crimes.

If you believe RT over CNN, you’re even deeper down the rabbit hole than I thought. There is overwhelming evidence of thousands of Russian war crimes in Ukraine. 

[rudi49jr]

Great news: Poland delivers first Leopard tanks to Ukraine. Hope many more will follow as soon as possible.

 

https://www.dw.com/en/poland-delivers-first-leopard-tanks-to-ukraine/a-64809432

[Neeranam]

1 hour ago, rudi49jr said:

If you believe RT over CNN, you’re even deeper down the rabbit hole than I thought. There is overwhelming evidence of thousands of Russian war crimes in Ukraine. 

I believe neither, actually. better to watch more than one I know though.

[Bkk Brian]

1 hour ago, Neeranam said:

In my experience, they don't blame the Russian civilians. 

Don't believe all you hear on CNN, I have RT, and they say Ukrainians are doing the war crimes.

RT also suggests drowning or burning Ukraine children. Time to get out of the rabbit hole

 

 

[Neeranam]

2 hours ago, rudi49jr said:

Great news: Poland delivers first Leopard tanks to Ukraine. Hope many more will follow as soon as possible.

Zelensky could be dangerous in the future, he has the audacity to expect India, China, Latin America all to help  Ukraine! X=Basically, he wants the whole world to fight his country's battle, unbelievable and the woke world trusts him.

[rudi49jr]

31 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Zelensky could be dangerous in the future, he has the audacity to expect India, China, Latin America all to help  Ukraine! X=Basically, he wants the whole world to fight his country's battle, unbelievable and the woke world trusts him.

Of course, between Zelensky and Putin, Zelensky is obviously the dangerous one.

[NextG]

1 hour ago, Neeranam said:

I believe neither, actually. better to watch more than one I know though.

Better you stop watching anything if you haven’t a clue. 

[NextG]

42 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Zelensky could be dangerous in the future, he has the audacity to expect India, China, Latin America all to help  Ukraine! X=Basically, he wants the whole world to fight his country's battle, unbelievable and the woke world trusts him.

Seriously my friend. You need to stop filling your mind with nonsense from partisan programming. You don’t appear to understand much about what is going on and your comments are seriously cringeworthy. 
Try to refrain from using ‘woke’ in any sentence. You don’t know the meaning and it just marks you out as a not particularly intelligent person when you do. It’s just a bit of advice. You can take it or leave it. 
 

[thaibeachlovers]

10 hours ago, rudi49jr said:

Great news: Poland delivers first Leopard tanks to Ukraine. Hope many more will follow as soon as possible.

 

https://www.dw.com/en/poland-delivers-first-leopard-tanks-to-ukraine/a-64809432

For many more to follow Poland and other countries supplying them would have to deplete their own defense infrastructure. It's not like they have hundreds of surplus tanks lying around. Also, don't forget they need spares, transport vehicles, recovery vehicles, and lots and lots of fuel, all of which has to be sent to the front, which is on the far side of Ukraine.

 

Seems like a lot of wishin' and hopin' is going on.

[onthedarkside]

A number of off topic posts have been removed, this topic is for ongoing daily updates on the invasion in Ukraine, not building the wall in the US or previous wars in Afganistan.

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11 hours ago, Neeranam said:

In my experience, they don't blame the Russian civilians. 

Don't believe all you hear on CNN, I have RT, and they say Ukrainians are doing the war crimes.

Are you aware that RT is owned and funded by the Russian government?

[Eric Loh]

12 hours ago, Neeranam said:

In my experience, they don't blame the Russian civilians. 

Don't believe all you hear on CNN, I have RT, and they say Ukrainians are doing the war crimes.

Goodness just how naive you are. RT is the acronym of Russia Today or Rossiya Segodnya and state own and funded by the Russian government. Blindly supporting Trump’s propensity to side Putin is not good for your intelligence. 

 

 

[Saanim]

1 hour ago, placeholder said:

Are you aware that RT is owned and funded by the Russian government?

How many times have we heard here this? Is it the only station in the world owned and funded by the own govt? Just look around yourself. 

 

In fact, theoretically, it should be always better than to have the media controlled by the heavy industries following their own interest. Actually, the govt is controlled by the people, isn't it? More or less...

 

How it works in BBC? In Germany and Switzerland is currently a huge outrage of the population, for who exactly the state media are working?  How the talk shows are "unbiased"?

 

In the traditionally "neutral" Switzerland is a case against the current state president for his ties with the biggest media agency and so on... 

[stevenl]

6 minutes ago, Saanim said:

How many times have we heard here this? Is it the only station in the world owned and funded by the own govt? Just look around yourself. 

 

In fact, theoretically, it should be always better than to have the media controlled by the heavy industries following their own interest. Actually, the govt is controlled by the people, isn't it? More or less...

 

How it works in BBC? In Germany and Switzerland is currently a huge outrage of the population, for who exactly the state media are working?  How the talk shows are "unbiased"?

 

In the traditionally "neutral" Switzerland is a case against the current state president for his ties with the biggest media agency and so on... 

Right, Russia has independent journalism, Switzerland and other Western countries don't.

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26 minutes ago, Saanim said:

How many times have we heard here this? Is it the only station in the world owned and funded by the own govt? Just look around yourself. 

 

In fact, theoretically, it should be always better than to have the media controlled by the heavy industries following their own interest. Actually, the govt is controlled by the people, isn't it? More or less...

 

How it works in BBC? In Germany and Switzerland is currently a huge outrage of the population, for who exactly the state media are working?  How the talk shows are "unbiased"?

 

In the traditionally "neutral" Switzerland is a case against the current state president for his ties with the biggest media agency and so on... 

Except the government that owns it open bans makes it a crime to call the War in Ukraine anything but a "special military operation." On the BBC, for example, I can read reports on harsh criticisms of the government. So much so that many Conservatives in the UK revile it for being liberal. In the USA, the staff of the VOA fought a long battle against the Trump administration to keep their editorial independence. Any evidence of RT battling against the Kremlin?

[bannork]

Mass walkout at OSCE when it's time for Russian delegation to speak 

 

[bannork]

The heavy hand of repression in St Petersburg

 

[Eric Loh]

2 hours ago, Saanim said:

How many times have we heard here this? Is it the only station in the world owned and funded by the own govt? Just look around yourself. 

 

In fact, theoretically, it should be always better than to have the media controlled by the heavy industries following their own interest. Actually, the govt is controlled by the people, isn't it? More or less...

 

How it works in BBC? In Germany and Switzerland is currently a huge outrage of the population, for who exactly the state media are working?  How the talk shows are "unbiased"?

 

In the traditionally "neutral" Switzerland is a case against the current state president for his ties with the biggest media agency and so on... 

RT was fined by media regulator, blocked by Goggle, Meta and also in many counties for peddling Kremlin’s misinformation. That should be a red flag for anyone to believe that they provide good journalism and accountable to the general public. 

[Seppius]

25 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

RT was fined by media regulator, blocked by Goggle, Meta and also in many counties for peddling Kremlin’s misinformation. That should be a red flag for anyone to believe that they provide good journalism and accountable to the general public. 

There is a site which I go to occasionally which allows RT, so I have a little look, what I find amazing is the number of Western journalists pouting Putin's doctrine, one guy is a professor at an American collage 

Edited February 25, 2023 by Seppius
rude word removed

[bannork]

Cannon fodder in Bakhmut

 

[LosLobo]

2 hours ago, Saanim said:

How many times have we heard here this? Is it the only station in the world owned and funded by the own govt? Just look around yourself. 

 

In fact, theoretically, it should be always better than to have the media controlled by the heavy industries following their own interest. Actually, the govt is controlled by the people, isn't it? More or less...

 

How it works in BBC? In Germany and Switzerland is currently a huge outrage of the population, for who exactly the state media are working?  How the talk shows are "unbiased"?

 

In the traditionally "neutral" Switzerland is a case against the current state president for his ties with the biggest media agency and so on... 

Yet, BBC is not funded by the Government.

 

"The BBC is principally funded through the licence fee paid by UK households. In 2021/22 this generated £3.8bn. In addition, the BBC's commercial operations, such as BBC Studios, provide supplementary income. In 2021/22, the BBC made £1.7bn through its commercial operations."

 

Future funding of the BBC: Lords committee report - House of Lords Library (parliament.uk)

[rudi49jr]

6 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

For many more to follow Poland and other countries supplying them would have to deplete their own defense infrastructure. It's not like they have hundreds of surplus tanks lying around. Also, don't forget they need spares, transport vehicles, recovery vehicles, and lots and lots of fuel, all of which has to be sent to the front, which is on the far side of Ukraine.

 

Seems like a lot of wishin' and hopin' is going on.

“Seems like a lot of wishin' and hopin' is going on.”

 

Right back at you, mate. At least I’m hoping for a good outcome of this war, something I’m not quite sure you’re rooting for.

[tgw]

3 hours ago, Saanim said:

How many times have we heard here this? Is it the only station in the world owned and funded by the own govt? Just look around yourself. 

 

In fact, theoretically, it should be always better than to have the media controlled by the heavy industries following their own interest. Actually, the govt is controlled by the people, isn't it? More or less...

 

How it works in BBC? In Germany and Switzerland is currently a huge outrage of the population, for who exactly the state media are working?  How the talk shows are "unbiased"?

 

In the traditionally "neutral" Switzerland is a case against the current state president for his ties with the biggest media agency and so on... 

intellectual cannon fodder you are

[rudi49jr]

2 hours ago, bannork said:

Mass walkout at OSCE when it's time for Russian delegation to speak 

 

Such a shame that Putin will probably never get to see this….

[Eric Loh]

1 hour ago, Seppius said:

There is a site which I go to occasionally which allows RT, so I have a little look, what I find amazing is the number of Western journalists pouting Putin's doctrine, one guy is a professor at an American collage 

RT America is available in USA. You may find white supremacist like Nicholas Fluentes speaking favorably of Putin. You may recall Fluentes leaded the Putin chant in a conference attended by MTG. Fluentes was also the dinner quest of the former President. 

[rudi49jr]

I found this quite enlightening: “Ukraine war: ‘vranyo’ – Russian for when you lie and everyone knows it, but you don’t care.”

Which means I know you know I’m lying to you, yet I’m going to lie to you anyway. That is a very interesting and strange mindset, at which the Russian powers that be apparently excel.

https://theconversation.com/ukraine-war-vranyo-russian-for-when-you-lie-and-everyone-knows-it-but-you-dont-care-181100