StraightTalk Posted March 5, 2022 Share Posted March 5, 2022 13 minutes ago, ozimoron said: commonly referred to as speaking out of both sides of his mouth. I think the lie carries more weight than the warning. He could have ruled out "not invading". There's no defense of Putin worth a c*** cup full of cold water. "He could have" - Yes, a modal verb for lost opportunity. Applies to all parties involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bkk Brian Posted March 5, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 5, 2022 11 minutes ago, StraightTalk said: I am completely at ease if you're happy with your interpretation. That Putin wasn't bluffing needs no further explanation. Play on words as much as you like, their are countless credible links where Russia and Putin denied claims it was going to invade Ukraine, they even denied once it had already started. They lied simple as that Get back in the real world. It was an unprovoked ongoing attack on a sovereign country breaking international rule of law. FACT 9 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StraightTalk Posted March 5, 2022 Share Posted March 5, 2022 2 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said: Play on words as much as you like, their are countless credible links where Russia and Putin denied claims it was going to invade Ukraine, they even denied once it had already started. They lied simple as that Get back in the real world. It was an unprovoked ongoing attack on a sovereign country breaking international rule of law. FACT Okay, you made your point and be happy in your real world. Have a wonderful day. 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karma80 Posted March 5, 2022 Share Posted March 5, 2022 On 3/2/2022 at 7:18 PM, billd766 said: But whose airline did they fly in on? There are very few airlines flying in and out of Russia now and I doubt if Aeroflot or whatever have any aircraft capable of a return flight from Russia without being refueled. In addition most Russian flights are banned, certainly from the EU and UK airspace. I suppose they could fly via China and refuel there both ways. The Aeroflot fleet is mostly leased and those planes will end up being returned. Not that it matters, since Airbus and Boeing are not sending any maintenance or spare parts to Russia now. They only have about 3 weeks before the planes become unusable. Also, they have effectively no way of easily paying for fuel or airport fees. Pretty much international Russian commercial aviation will cease to operate. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post RafPinto Posted March 5, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 5, 2022 He had all well planned. Waiting until the Winter Olympic games in China were over and his friend A. Merkel was gone. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post heybruce Posted March 5, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 5, 2022 1 hour ago, StraightTalk said: [quote] "implicit and informal assurances in 1990 strongly suggesting" to a country that no longer exists[...]" [unquote] Obviously the promise(s) were made prior the SU leader(s) decided on dismantling the Union. The Russian leader(s) have the right that these promise(s) is/are honored. Concerning expressing an opinion based on incomplete evidence - We just have to wait until respective documents are available and publicized under the Freedom of Information Act (which is not made known in newspapers with half-size pages). In the meantime I have mine and others have theirs - Respect! I think you are very much locked into the Russian Empire state of mind. What was once the Soviet Union is now many countries. Russia is one of them. Putin obviously feels that Russia is the most important one, and that Russia has a right to rebuild the Russian Empire. The other countries disagree. Some of the countries that were once part of the Soviet Union are now in NATO. Others want to join, primarily because they don't want to be a part of a Russian Empire. Why should Russia's/Putin's preference on this matter override the rights and preferences of these countries? 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted March 5, 2022 Share Posted March 5, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, StraightTalk said: "He could have" - Yes, a modal verb for lost opportunity. Applies to all parties involved. This is a standard but meaningless dodge. Would you care to flesh out just what lies this might pertain to from the "other" party"? Look over there, it's a squirrel. Edited March 5, 2022 by ozimoron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtls2005 Posted March 5, 2022 Share Posted March 5, 2022 Sorry to veer wildly back on topic... On 3/4/2022 at 9:22 AM, mtls2005 said: There is a weekly service on S7, just introduced last week. to Krabi from Novosibirsk. Not sure what they'll do about the tourists they flew in last week? Maybe fly in an empty plane to evacuate them? Russia's S7 airline announces it is ceasing international flights https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/russias-s7-airline-announces-it-is-ceasing-international-flights-2022-03-04/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
futsukayoi Posted March 5, 2022 Share Posted March 5, 2022 2 hours ago, StraightTalk said: [quote] "implicit and informal assurances in 1990 strongly suggesting" to a country that no longer exists[...]" [unquote] Obviously the promise(s) were made prior the SU leader(s) decided on dismantling the Union. The Russian leader(s) have the right that these promise(s) is/are honored. Concerning expressing an opinion based on incomplete evidence - We just have to wait until respective documents are available and publicized under the Freedom of Information Act (which is not made known in newspapers with half-size pages). In the meantime I have mine and others have theirs - Respect! Those promises informal assurances were made to a different regime which presumably gave similar assurances that it would not start conquering an empire by invading Chechnya, Georgia, Donbas and now Ukraine. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post RafPinto Posted March 5, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 5, 2022 They need a lot of rubles to pay for another flight or book a hotel. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Mavideol Posted March 5, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 5, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, Bkk Brian said: Play on words as much as you like, their are countless credible links where Russia and Putin denied claims it was going to invade Ukraine, they even denied once it had already started. They lied simple as that Get back in the real world. It was an unprovoked ongoing attack on a sovereign country breaking international rule of law. FACT similar lies & actions when he invade Crimea, a liar always a liar he send in disguised Russian troops pretending to be locals Edited March 5, 2022 by Mavideol 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saanim Posted March 5, 2022 Share Posted March 5, 2022 On 3/4/2022 at 9:39 AM, Scott said: There is a signed treaty and it does not include anything resembling what you are asserting. Would it change anything? How many signed treaties have been withdrawn from? BTW, didn't you see here lately the link to Spiegel with minutes of meeting written? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StraightTalk Posted March 5, 2022 Share Posted March 5, 2022 17 minutes ago, Mavideol said: similar lies & actions when he invade Crimea, a liar always a liar he send in disguised Russian troops pretending to be locals Similar to Talon Anvil? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StraightTalk Posted March 5, 2022 Share Posted March 5, 2022 1 hour ago, ozimoron said: This is a standard but meaningless dodge. Would you care to flesh out just what lies this might pertain to from the "other" party"? Look over there, it's a squirrel. Hmm, you've got me there. You really make lot of sense. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted March 5, 2022 Share Posted March 5, 2022 1 minute ago, StraightTalk said: Hmm, you've got me there. You really make lot of sense. You said it applies equally to both parties so cough up instead of making meaningless and unsupported innuendos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saanim Posted March 5, 2022 Share Posted March 5, 2022 On 3/4/2022 at 9:22 AM, mtls2005 said: Boeing has terminated support agreements with Russian airlines. ... the Russian supplier would “remain the largest titanium supplier for current and future Boeing commercial airplanes.” --- If that were cut off by Western sanctions, or by Russian retaliation to sanctions, Michaels said there are only one or two places in the world that would have the capacity to match the VSMPO facility. https://www.seattletimes.com/business/boeing-aerospace/boeing-suspends-moscow-engineering-center-and-halts-support-to-russian-airlines/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted March 5, 2022 Share Posted March 5, 2022 5 minutes ago, StraightTalk said: Similar to Talon Anvil? No, Talon Anvil bore no weapons. They were intelligence operatives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saanim Posted March 5, 2022 Share Posted March 5, 2022 On 3/4/2022 at 12:07 PM, Mavideol said: Twenty-two years ago, a vicious war brought Vladimir Putin to power. Ever since, war has remained one of his main tools, which he has used without flinching throughout his reign. Vladimir Putin exists thanks to war, has thrived through war. Let us now hope that a war will finally bring him down. What was this "vicious war" twenty two years ago? And the ones throughout his reign? (just curious...) 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StraightTalk Posted March 5, 2022 Share Posted March 5, 2022 11 minutes ago, ozimoron said: No, Talon Anvil bore no weapons. They were intelligence operatives. A simple search on the Internet suggests otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted March 5, 2022 Share Posted March 5, 2022 2 minutes ago, StraightTalk said: A simple search on the Internet suggests otherwise. It you believed that to true you would have posted a link to demonstrate that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StraightTalk Posted March 5, 2022 Share Posted March 5, 2022 14 minutes ago, ozimoron said: You said it applies equally to both parties so cough up instead of making meaningless and unsupported innuendos. I reiterate, you've got me there. You really, really, really make a lot of sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StraightTalk Posted March 5, 2022 Share Posted March 5, 2022 17 minutes ago, ozimoron said: No, Talon Anvil bore no weapons. They were intelligence operatives. If you believed that to be true you would have posted a pertinent link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billd766 Posted March 5, 2022 Share Posted March 5, 2022 15 minutes ago, Saanim said: What was this "vicious war" twenty two years ago? And the ones throughout his reign? (just curious...) Perhaps he meant wars/battles. See here. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_battles_involving_the_Russian_Federation 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted March 5, 2022 Share Posted March 5, 2022 5 minutes ago, StraightTalk said: If you believed that to be true you would have posted a pertinent link I didn't make the initial assertion. Still not willing to cough up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saanim Posted March 5, 2022 Share Posted March 5, 2022 6 minutes ago, billd766 said: Perhaps he meant wars/battles. See here. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_battles_involving_the_Russian_Federation I was afraid he meant the Afghanistan war... (Or wasn't it just 20 years ago? And not so "vicious"...) BTW, the Chechen war was a heritage from the old good fellow Jelzin (so much beloved by the world) and it has managed the peace in the country while removing the vicious terrorists who did so much ugly crimes around. Aren't such terrorists fought throughout the world - war on terror? - however, not always with such good results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted March 5, 2022 Share Posted March 5, 2022 2 minutes ago, Saanim said: I was afraid he meant the Afghanistan war... (Or wasn't it just 20 years ago? And not so "vicious"...) BTW, the Chechen war was a heritage from the old good fellow Jelzin (so much beloved by the world) and it has managed the peace in the country while removing the vicious terrorists who did so much ugly crimes around. Aren't such terrorists fought throughout the world - war on terror? - however, not always with such good results. The Kremlin has a centuries-long history of conflict and near-genocidal repression of Chechens, who have been seen by many in Russia as particularly defiant. Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn described Chechen fellow prisoners in the Soviet gulag as the one ethnic group whose members “refused to accept the psychology of submission.” https://www.rferl.org/a/the-second-chechen-war-in-photos/30185257.html 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyIdea Posted March 5, 2022 Share Posted March 5, 2022 (edited) I have quite a few Chinese friends. What is a surprise to me is how many Chinese who think that Putin does the right thing. Edited March 5, 2022 by MikeyIdea 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ozimoron Posted March 5, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 5, 2022 5 minutes ago, MikeyIdea said: I have quite a few Chinese friends. What is a surprise to me is how many Chinese who think that Putin does the right thing. That's the power of state controlled media. 7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metisdead Posted March 5, 2022 Share Posted March 5, 2022 An off topic deflection post has been removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post heybruce Posted March 5, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 5, 2022 10 minutes ago, MikeyIdea said: I have quite a few Chinese friends. What is a surprise to me is how many Chinese who think that Putin does the right thing. Maybe this has something to do with it: "Ruling party control of all Chinese media and intensive internet censorship make it hard to gauge public opinion. But what the party allows online and requires media to publish make clear what it wants the public to think." "Media outlets were told last week to post only pro-Russian content and to censor anti-Russian or pro-Western views, according to a copy of instructions posted on the social media account of the newspaper Beijing News." https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/chinese-divided-russias-invasion-ukraine-83248295 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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