Great Wall Signs Deal With Thailand to Reduce EV Prices

[Rampant Rabbit]

38 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

China's EV market is shaking and they risk big losses because of their poor allegiances to other countries, the EV inventory in China is at the limit as potential buyers from western countries didn't jump on the cheap Chinese made models thus the government has no alternative then to direct their marketing strategies to Asia neighbors and gave away cash incentives to direct buyers to the Chinese models..... a pig with a dress still a pig

AH the green  Chinese with its  overall  majority of coal  powered generation stations...and  building more. Save the planet, dont have kids

[sathornlover]

3 hours ago, KhunLA said:

3 hours ago, KhunLA said:

Ora Good Cat price:  ฿828,500 and it certainly is NOT small.

(Dimensions: 4,235 mm L x 1,825 mm W x 1,596 mm H)
 

 

 

[sathornlover]

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2 hours ago, Rampant Rabbit said:

and you dont see that as any issue,I see that as a massive gift from the govt +31%.........they also got a lot from cryptocurrency

Yes, it's a massive gift from the govt. Lots of industries get massive gifts from the government. But even without that massive gift it would be solidly profitable. And given how strong demand is, and how long the waiting list is, it should be even more profitable in the future.

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Yes, it's a massive gift from the govt. Lots of industries get massive gifts from the government. But even without that massive gift it would be solidly profitable. And given how strong demand is, and how long the waiting list is, it should be even more profitable in the future.

It should be pointed out though, that this credit is due to the fact that EV's inflict considerably less harm on the environment than do ICE vehicles. And it's citizens who pay for that harm in many ways including increased medical costs. So those credits are a way of leveling the playing field.  

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2 hours ago, Mavideol said:

China's EV market is shaking and they risk big losses because of their poor allegiances to other countries, the EV inventory in China is at the limit as potential buyers from western countries didn't jump on the cheap Chinese made models thus the government has no alternative then to direct their marketing strategies to Asia neighbors and gave away cash incentives to direct buyers to the Chinese models..... a pig with a dress still a pig

Really?

China's Consumers Risk FOMO as Electric Cars' Popularity Soars

Strap in for a blockbuster 2022 in the world’s biggest vehicle market.

Sales —  which more than doubled last year and should end up topping 3 million once December’s figures are added — are forecast to almost double again to 6 million, according to the China Passenger Car Association. New-energy vehicles, which include electric cars, plug-in hybrids and fuel-cell autos, will account for about one in five of new car sales.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-01-10/china-s-consumers-risk-fomo-as-electric-cars-popularity-soars-ky8lscs6

[Lacessit]

On 3/24/2022 at 8:23 AM, Darkside Gray said:

Just wondering, anyone seen a charger for one of these EV on the road anywhere?

This is one on the 118 going out of Chiang Mai.

[Elkski]

350?  April 1?

[Andrew Dwyer]

Meanwhile, in the U.K. they are using alternative measures to attract EV buyers:

 

Isle of Wight: Council's electric vehicle chargers hacked to show porn site https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-61006816

[ChC1]

On 3/28/2022 at 9:44 AM, Longwood50 said:

Yes the electric technology is so compelling that the governments around the world have to subsidize electric vehicles and/or ban internal combustion cars. 

If the case for electric cars was so overwhelmingly an economic positive you would not have to subsidize it or force customers to purchase them. 

Inverters AC are hugely more efficient than conventional AC, you don't see the need to convince people of that.  You didn't see the government subsidize cell phones to convince customers that they were more efficient than land lines.  There was no need to provide subsidies to LED televisions that both have a better picture and use less electricity. 

The actions of governments around the world are nothing more than a central controlled command and control tactic where they are selecting winners and losers. 

 

I am afraid it is not the only issue. Over the time, the lithium battery will run out of steam and eventually die. Car owners firstly will notice the full charge would produce lesser range over the time (slow but noticeable, have you noticed how fast your phone or computer slowly become less reliable with its battery?). Then the government will face a dilemma on how to recycle (i.e. dump) the battery unit after a decade or two. Not to mention the mining of lithium, copper and other metals to make the engine and cars can bring more pollution to the world. After 6 to 10 years, the current EV will need to change its battery unit or even engine unit to be more efficient.

 

Finally, anyone in the government have any idea what the impact it would bring to the national grid if every car in the world is EV?

 

Hydrogen fuel and bio fuel is the future. Sensible government who really care about environment issues should seek alternative and should not tie their resource in E.V alone.

[Rampant Rabbit]

On 4/5/2022 at 8:17 PM, placeholder said:

It should be pointed out though, that this credit is due to the fact that EV's inflict considerably less harm on the environment than do ICE vehicles. And it's citizens who pay for that harm in many ways including increased medical costs. So those credits are a way of leveling the playing field.  

Not  in conctruction emissions and certainly  not for those  poor  sods  minimg the metals needed for those  batteries and then leaving aside the electrical  generation type of fuel required and China can make them cheap due to it  having all the rare  earth elements on its  land. For  them to be truly successful they need a  much higehr energy density and there are  many "brekthroughs"  announced daily that seem to  fizzle  out to nothing.

EV cars being touted like a religion for  many 

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[Rampant Rabbit]

On 4/5/2022 at 8:15 PM, placeholder said:

But even without that massive gift it would be solidly profitable

No it  hasnt been for  almost all of its  years 90%  of  them

[Rampant Rabbit]

4 hours ago, ChC1 said:

I am afraid it is not the only issue. Over the time, the lithium battery will run out of steam and eventually die. Car owners firstly will notice the full charge would produce lesser range over the time (slow but noticeable, have you noticed how fast your phone or computer slowly become less reliable with its battery?). Then the government will face a dilemma on how to recycle (i.e. dump) the battery unit after a decade or two. Not to mention the mining of lithium, copper and other metals to make the engine and cars can bring more pollution to the world. After 6 to 10 years, the current EV will need to change its battery unit or even engine unit to be more efficient.

 

Finally, anyone in the government have any idea what the impact it would bring to the national grid if every car in the world is EV?

 

Hydrogen fuel and bio fuel is the future. Sensible government who really care about environment issues should seek alternative and should not tie their resource in E.V alone.

https://www.wired.com/story/cars-going-electric-what-happens-used-batteries/

[Longwood50]

10 hours ago, ChC1 said:

Hydrogen fuel and bio fuel is the future. Sensible government who really care about environment issues should seek alternative and should not tie their resource in E.V alone

You are absolutely correct.  Right now you have governments around the world either enticing people with EV subsidies or forcing them through ICE bans.  The marketplace will eventually determine what are the most effective alternatives. 

I believe one day the world will wake up and realize that with a significant number of people driving EV's that the electric infrastructure won't support it and that there are unintended enviornmental consequences from the mining, manufacturing, and disposal of lithium batteries.  

You are also correct in that batteries slowly lose their power and that car that got 300 km to a charge now only gets a fraction of that as the car ages.  They also seem to forget batteries don't generate electricity, they store electricity.  That electric is generated by something and for now that is coal, natural gas, oil, and nuclear.  A very insignificant amount comes from solar, wind, and hydroelectric.   Solar panels when spent contain dangerous chemicals, acres of wind farms are hardly aesthically pleasing still require transmission lines, and use tremendous amounts of energy to construct.  In the USA the various agencies typically obstruct any hydroelectric generation because of its impact on the fish and other aquatic animals. 

 

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3 minutes ago, Longwood50 said:

You are absolutely correct.  Right now you have governments around the world either enticing people with EV subsidies or forcing them through ICE bans.  The marketplace will eventually determine what are the most effective alternatives. 

I believe one day the world will wake up and realize that with a significant number of people driving EV's that the electric infrastructure won't support it and that there are unintended enviornmental consequences from the mining, manufacturing, and disposal of lithium batteries.  

More nonsense from you. 

‘The lights will not go out’ – Energy experts do not foresee EVs overloading US electrical grid

There is zero argument that this steadfast transition toward EVs will add a major demand in the electrical grid’s load. Electricity demand could jump up 25% if the country’s entire army of 290 million cars and trucks went electric, but that realistically won’t suddenly happen overnight.

According to Muratori, EVs currently account for only 0.2% of grid energy consumption but can jump to 24% when a majority of US transportation becomes electrified.

https://electrek.co/2022/04/05/the-lights-will-not-go-out-energy-experts-do-not-foresee-evs-overloading-us-electrical-grid/

 

Electricity Grids Can Handle Electric Vehicles Easily – They Just Need Proper Management

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesmorris/2021/11/13/electricity-grids-can-handle-electric-vehicles-easily--they-just-need-proper-management/?sh=5d9de0e27862

 

As for the mining, manufacturing, and disposal of batteries

What about the mining and manufacturing and disposal of petroleum? Are you seriously suggesting that the extraction of petroleum is environmentally friendly" Or that it's conversion at refineries isn't polluting. As for disposal, what do you think burning of petroleum products does to the atmosphere.?

And the big difference between extracting say lithium vs petroleum is that the lithium is recyclable. Again, given that you are apparently reporting form 2012, you might not know this but recycling lithium ion batteries is already profitable.

Q&A with Redwood Materials CEO JB Straubel on battery recycling: 'Quite a hunger for these materials'

 We’re not profitable yet because we’re growing so quickly and we’re reinvesting and will be for quite a few years. But the actual operations of recycling these batteries, that is profitable today. There's really a quite a hunger for these materials.

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/business/autos/2022/01/31/redwood-materials-ceo-jb-straubel-battery-recycling/9283686002/

 

Batteries Made From Recycled Materials “Better Than New”

https://cleantechnica.com/2021/10/21/batteries-made-from-recycled-materials-better-than-new/

 

 

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19 minutes ago, Longwood50 said:

You are also correct in that batteries slowly lose their power and that car that got 300 km to a charge now only gets a fraction of that as the car ages.  They also seem to forget batteries don't generate electricity, they store electricity.  That electric is generated by something and for now that is coal, natural gas, oil, and nuclear.  A very insignificant amount comes from solar, wind, and hydroelectric.   Solar panels when spent contain dangerous chemicals, acres of wind farms are hardly aesthically pleasing still require transmission lines, and use tremendous amounts of energy to construct.  In the USA the various agencies typically obstruct any hydroelectric generation because of its impact on the fish and other aquatic animals. 

Have you concocted some kind of falsehood generating algorithm?

I suppose technically you are correct in saying that a "car that got 300 km to a charge now only gets a fraction of that as the car ages." After all 4/5 is a fraction. Whether it's "only a fraction" is more debatable. And that's after 15 years of use.

It's true that depending on what country you live in, solar and wind are right now small though not insignificant contributors of power. But that's because there is a huge installed base of fossil fuels. What a rational person would look at is what the percentage of recent projects and those underway are renewables. 

World Adds Record New Renewable Energy Capacity in 2020

"IRENA’s annual Renewable Capacity Statistics 2021 shows that renewable energy’s share of all new generating capacity rose considerably for the second year in a row. More than 80 per cent of all new electricity capacity added last year was renewable, with solar and wind accounting for 91 per cent of new renewables."

https://www.irena.org/newsroom/pressreleases/2021/Apr/World-Adds-Record-New-Renewable-Energy-Capacity-in-2020

 

As for the rest of the BS you tout such as "acres of wind farms are hardly aesthically pleasing still require transmission lines, and use tremendous amounts of energy to construct." you care to provide actual numbers for that? And then compare those numbers to the amount of electricity that they will actually generate?