CCSA to Consider Proposal to Suspend Test & Go and Thailand Pass

[sandyf]

7 minutes ago, bananafish said:

Well. You got me. I made a post hoping for people to use logic and sense, and your reply shows you're either incapable of that, or deliberately interested in the opposite. 

You can hope all you want, the selfish will always fail to recognise moral integrity.

[ThailandRyan]

On 4/15/2022 at 5:44 PM, bananafish said:

Why? Because I'd like to visit Thailand, I'm not vaccinated, and I don't want to have to quarantine. I thought that would have been obvious.

 

No need to get testy, I have 0.0000% worry or regret about my vaccination decision, and I have zero problem with your vaccination decision. 

Good, but being unvaccinated still puts you at risk of testing positive on arrival or prior to flying (within 72 hours) which will definitely crimp your trip now wont it.

[ThailandRyan]

On 4/19/2022 at 11:55 AM, bananafish said:

Tell me how me getting vaccinated supports those who have no choice? 

 

And please use facts based on data, not just what you believe to be the case.

 

If I was vaccinated, my chance of getting covid would increase by 400%, that would make me 400% more likely to spread covid to others. (see every single UK government vaccine surveillance report published in the last 18 months, also same data from every other country that publishes rates of covid by vaccination status). 

 

And the only thing I've gone to any lengths to do in this thread, is point out the facts to people like you who have formed their opinion in the absence of facts. 

 

And I'm not asking anyone to give up their freedom of choice, all I'm doing is expressing hope that people will start using logic, data, and facts to form the basis of their opinions. 

 

Using the data, those under 60 who are vaccinated are the selfish ones, because you have reduced your chances of dying by 40% (from 0.001% to 0.0007%). In exchange for increasing your chance of passing covid on to someone who is actually vulnerable by 400%. 

 

If you think I am wrong, please show me the data you are using to form that opinion. 

 

To see the data I'm using, see the UK government vaccine surveillance report I linked in my last post, and all the weekly reports they published prior to it going back around 18 months. 

Try again with your "more folks who are vaccinated will get covid then those unvaccinated after looking at the true facts".

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2021/08/cdc-unvaccinated-5-times-more-likely-get-covid-19

 

https://www.factcheck.org/2022/02/scicheck-latest-cdc-data-unvaccinated-adults-97-times-more-likely-to-die-from-covid-19-than-boosted-adults/

The CDC says that, as of Dec. 4, the weekly COVID-19 death rate among unvaccinated adults was 9.74 per 100,000 population, and the rate was 0.1 per 100,000 population for people 18 and older who were fully vaccinated with a booster dose.

 

Your once again looking at information that has been manipulated to get the answer you were looking for.

[bananafish]

23 hours ago, ThailandRyan said:

Try again with your "more folks who are vaccinated will get covid then those unvaccinated after looking at the true facts".

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2021/08/cdc-unvaccinated-5-times-more-likely-get-covid-19

 

https://www.factcheck.org/2022/02/scicheck-latest-cdc-data-unvaccinated-adults-97-times-more-likely-to-die-from-covid-19-than-boosted-adults/

The CDC says that, as of Dec. 4, the weekly COVID-19 death rate among unvaccinated adults was 9.74 per 100,000 population, and the rate was 0.1 per 100,000 population for people 18 and older who were fully vaccinated with a booster dose.

 

Your once again looking at information that has been manipulated to get the answer you were looking for.

Firstly, the data I linked to is more recent than yours. And I linked directly to the official government source. 

 

I haven't manipulated anything, I am quoting direct from government sources, and linking directly to the information I'm quoting.

 

And here's a quote from my original post

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To be fair, being vaccinated seems to reduce the risk of dying from covid. Unvaccinated, my risk of death is 0.001%. Vaccinated, risk would be even lower, at 0.0007%. 

 

That's a 40% improvement. But considering being vaccinated makes me 400% more likely to get covid, not being vaccinated is still a good choice. 

I outright stated that the statistics show the vaccinated are less likely to die. I didn't try to hide that. 

 

And just to comment on general comprehension and understanding, you're someone who doesn't know what "then" or "your" mean. 

[richard_smith237]

On 4/19/2022 at 11:55 AM, bananafish said:

If I was vaccinated, my chance of getting covid would increase by 400%, that would make me 400% more likely to spread covid to others. (see every single UK government vaccine surveillance report published in the last 18 months, also same data from every other country that publishes rates of covid by vaccination status). 

This cherry picking distortion of information to form a confirmation bias that you are far more likely to catch covid (by 400%) if you are vaccinated is extremely flawed and highly misleading. 

 

Don’t post such utter rubbish - no one is this stupid...well... nearly no one...  

[bananafish]

On 4/26/2022 at 2:51 PM, richard_smith237 said:

 

This cherry picking distortion of information to form a confirmation bias that you are far more likely to catch covid (by 400%) if you are vaccinated is extremely flawed and highly misleading. 

 

Don’t post such utter rubbish - no one is this stupid...well... nearly no one...  

According to every UK government vaccine surveillance report, going back a year or more, that's over 52 different official government reports, vaccinated people in my age group are 300-400% more prone to get covid than non-vaccinated people in my age group. 

 

I am reading the numbers directly off the tables presented in official government reports. 

 

Most governments have not published such data, but those that have include Denmark, Australia Canada, and the UK. And they all show that vaccinated are more prone to covid than non-vaccinated. 

 

Tell me specifically why what I said is misleading. Go look at the official reports I linked to, and tell me why my 400% number is "extremely flawed and highly misleading".

 

You will see that my number is correct, so now tell me why me pointing it out is flawed and misleading.