Electric Vehicles in Thailand

[DrJoy]

On 7/17/2023 at 10:44 PM, Melpomene said:

We've had quotes between 30 & 35k for 1st class insurance on the XC40, so it's certainly worth shopping around

Those do not cover the battery pack. You may want to read the fine print again.

 

If you damage the battery in an unfortunate accident or it catches fire etc, the cheaper insurance does NOT cover it.

New battery pack costs approx 1.33 Mill THB, which will have to be paid in cash.

 

 

[vinny41]

Nissan Leaf price March 2020 was 1,490,000 baht

https://www.headlightmag.com/special-price-nissan-leaf-ev-100/

MG ZS EV price June 2019 was  1,190,000 baht

https://www.headlightmag.com/offcial-photo-mg-zs-ev-thailand/

 

Not a huge difference in price 

Edited July 25, 2023 by vinny41
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[Yellowtail]

7 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

Nissan Leaf price March 2020 was 1,490,000 baht

https://www.headlightmag.com/special-price-nissan-leaf-ev-100/

MG ZS EV price June 2019 was  1,190,000 baht

https://www.headlightmag.com/offcial-photo-mg-zs-ev-thailand/

 

Not a huge difference in price 

25% is not a huge difference? 

[vinny41]

36 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

25% is not a huge difference? 

Not really look at MG EP vs MG ES  is 24.5% more expensive than the MG EP

yes there are some improvements in the MG ES but not sure its worth the extra 24.5% 

And comparing MG ZS EV with Leaf the leaf is loaded with import taxes take the taxes off and the Leaf would be a similar price or lower to the MG ES

Likewise Korean built EV's are going to struggle to compete on price with Thai/Chinese  built EV

Edited July 25, 2023 by vinny41
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[Melpomene]

2 hours ago, DrJoy said:

Those do not cover the battery pack. You may want to read the fine print again.

 

If you damage the battery in an unfortunate accident or it catches fire etc, the cheaper insurance does NOT cover it.

New battery pack costs approx 1.33 Mill THB, which will have to be paid in cash.

 

 

So I did review the small print, and to be fair it neither explicitly mentioned covering or excluding damage to the battery, so you could well be right.  However, wouldn't this be an issue with all electric cars rather than just Volvo specifically ?  Anyone else with experience of insuring an electric car care to comment on this ?

[Bandersnatch]

5 hours ago, vinny41 said:

And when was the last time that the Nissan leaf was sold for 2m baht 

On 27/7/2022 I saw this advert from Nissan on FB 

 

 

 

 

 

[KhunLA]

2 hours ago, Bandersnatch said:

On 27/7/2022 I saw this advert from Nissan on FB 

 

 

 

 

 

On Nissan site TH, back up to 1.490M

Or, you can buy his & her MG EPs for less, which are better spec'd.

Edited July 25, 2023 by KhunLA

[KhunLA]

7 hours ago, vinny41 said:

Nissan Leaf price March 2020 was 1,490,000 baht

https://www.headlightmag.com/special-price-nissan-leaf-ev-100/

MG ZS EV price June 2019 was  1,190,000 baht

https://www.headlightmag.com/offcial-photo-mg-zs-ev-thailand/

 

Not a huge difference in price 

Our MG ZS EV 2022 (Oct & now)... ฿949K, 50.3kWh battery (46.3kWh usable)

 

MG EP ฿771k ... 50.3kWh battery

 

Nissan Leaf ... 40kWh, usable 39kWh ????

[vinny41]

2 hours ago, KhunLA said:

Our MG ZS EV 2022 (Oct & now)... ฿949K, 50.3kWh battery (46.3kWh usable)

 

MG EP ฿771k ... 50.3kWh battery

 

Nissan Leaf ... 40kWh, usable 39kWh ????

Its strange that your comparing MG ZS EV 2022 model instead of the  MG ZS EV 2019 44.5 kWh. battery or the new version of the Nissan Leaf 62 kWh. battery

[KhunLA]

32 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

Its strange that your comparing MG ZS EV 2022 model instead of the  MG ZS EV 2019 44.5 kWh. battery or the new version of the Nissan Leaf 62 kWh. battery

Because that's the one I have, and the 40kWh Leaf is the standard version priced starting at ฿1.99M in TH ????

https://en.nissan.co.th/vehicles/new-vehicles/leaf/specifications.html#grade-B12P-0|specs

 

Edited July 25, 2023 by KhunLA

[vinny41]

14 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

Because that's the one I have, and the 40kWh Leaf is the standard version priced starting at ฿1.99M in TH ????

https://en.nissan.co.th/vehicles/new-vehicles/leaf/specifications.html#grade-B12P-0|specs

 

Nissan is well known for not updating their English web pages you can't order new Nissan leaf on their Thai web page

According to this article there was a total of 40 Nissan leaf cars available for sale  last July 2022

Final Call ! Nissan LEAF 100% electric car: 959,000 baht (imported CBU) | 311 km. distance (NEDC)

https://autolifethailand.tv/final-call-nissan-leaf-ev-bev-959000/

[KhunLA]

7 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

Nissan is well known for not updating their English web pages you can't order new Nissan leaf on their Thai web page

According to this article there was a total of 40 Nissan leaf cars available for sale  last July 2022

Final Call ! Nissan LEAF 100% electric car: 959,000 baht (imported CBU) | 311 km. distance (NEDC)

https://autolifethailand.tv/final-call-nissan-leaf-ev-bev-959000/

Your link is 1 yr old.  If I want info about a product in TH, I use the manufacturers site in TH.

 

Exact same info on the Thai version of TH Nissan site.  Maybe you should take a peek at that for current info.

[vinny41]

3 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

Your link is 1 yr old.  If I want info about a product in TH, I use the manufacturers site in TH.

 

Exact same info on the Thai version of TH Nissan site.  Maybe you should take a peek at that for current info.

And when you click on the link it list all the cars available for sale and the Nissan Leaf is not listed

and the link I posted yes its 1 year old but the clue was in the title Final Call

 

[Yellowtail]

Japanese cars are more expensive than Chinese cars, shocking. 

 

Has anyone looked new Yugo EV? Great value...

[Bandersnatch]

Teslas are expensive in Thailand, but most people probably don’t realise just how expensive.

 

Teslas in Thailand do not qualify for any government incentives as they do not plan to manufacture here.

 

 

 

 What is the cheapest price you can buy a Tesla Model 3 RWD in the USA?

 

 

 

Thailand $51,000

USA $ 13,620!!

Edited July 26, 2023 by Bandersnatch

[JBChiangRai]

20 hours ago, vinny41 said:

Not really look at MG EP vs MG ES  is 24.5% more expensive than the MG EP

yes there are some improvements in the MG ES but not sure its worth the extra 24.5% 

And comparing MG ZS EV with Leaf the leaf is loaded with import taxes take the taxes off and the Leaf would be a similar price or lower to the MG ES

Likewise Korean built EV's are going to struggle to compete on price with Thai/Chinese  built EV

The MG4 has the same alloy wheels as the MG ES, they are really ugly.  At least the MG4 comes with tacky wheel covers which look a little better than the alloys underneath (I never thought I would ever think that).

 

I'm not in favour of after market alloy wheels, but I'd make an exception with the MG ES.

 

I prefer the front grille on the EP over the ES, probably because I am old.  Likewise I prefer a polished walnut dashboard and door cappings, all gone the way of progress.

[Yellowtail]

Cars are cheaper in the US? Say it ain't so! 

 

 

 

How much are the MGs in the US?

 

[KhunLA]

29 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

How much are the MGs in the US?

Didn't realize they were even available in the USA.

Photo below is screenshot from Gsearch, site needs to register, I didn't.

This site gives some prices of, accurate (?):

https://www.ccarprice.com/us/mg-car-prices-in-USA-141

 

Edited July 26, 2023 by KhunLA

[macahoom]

49 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

How much are the MGs in the US?

 

Found this online:

 

"MG, in just two years, has passed Ford Motor Co. and Hyundai in Mexico and now is the eighth-best selling brand there, so it is already in North America.

Vehicles sold in that market are not built to meet U.S. federal safety and emissions regulations, so for SAIC, it is not a simple matter of just appointing dealers in the US and shipping cars."

Edited July 26, 2023 by macahoom

[vinny41]

35 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

Didn't realize they were even available in the USA.

Photo below is screenshot from Gsearch, site needs to register, I didn't.

This site gives some prices of, accurate (?):

https://www.ccarprice.com/us/mg-car-prices-in-USA-141

 

MG or SAIC cars not sold in USA as to pricing website it lists cars for sale in Thailand that will never be imported and ignores any chinese brands that are currently on sale in Thailand 

not everything posted on the internet is correct and 

MG Cars USA not found SAIC Cars USA not found

reviews of MG cars tested in the USA not found

Edited July 26, 2023 by vinny41
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[Andrew Dwyer]

Electric pickup anyone ?

 

https://carnewschina.com/2023/07/26/radar-rd6-electric-pickup-from-geely-is-heading-overseas-possibly-to-thailand/

 

 

Edited July 26, 2023 by Andrew Dwyer

[Andrew Dwyer]

Forest ( or is it Emerald ? ) Green or Racing Green.

Which one will you choose.

 

 

 

 

Edited July 28, 2023 by Andrew Dwyer

[Bandersnatch]

Unsure about EVs why not rent one for a few days to see how you get on with it.

Download the EVMe app and register - you don’t need to upload proof of ID until you are ready to rent.

 

 

 

[Bandersnatch]

Do EVs actually achieve their claimed range?

 

The first thing to consider is by what standard is the Range measured.

 

NEDC = New European Driving Cycle (used in Thailand)

It is based on a theoretical driving profile. It has two parts -the first simulates city traffic with many stop/start phases, and the second corresponds to an extra-urban journey at a maximum speed of almost 75 mph

 

WLTP = Worldwide Harmonized Light Vehicles Test Procedures.

It is  based on a global statistical survey of real driving profiles

 

NEDC will give a range estimate in ideal conditions

WLTP will give a lower range estimate that will more likely be achievable.

 

In the USA range estimates are provided by Environmental Protection Agency (EPA)

China Light-Duty Vehicle Test Cycle (CLTC) is used in China

 

The Tesla Model Y RWD uses a LFP battery with a useable capacity of 56.8kWh

 

 

 

 

 

 

When Bjørn Nyland tested the Tesla Model Y RWD in Thailand he got a range of 546km which is more range than is claimed by WLTP or NEDC.

Cold weather will reduce battery range, not a problem that we have in Thailand.

 

 

 

[Bandersnatch]

BYD Seal looks fantastic in pearlescent white much nicer than the Tesla Pearl White. I didn’t like the blue interior on the blue car when I sat in it at the BKK motor show, the darker interior looks much better. Nice to see the sun shield fitted, why doesn’t Tesla include one?

 

4.8m long (slightly longer than the Tesla model 3)

1.875m wide (slightly wider than the Tesla model 3)

1.46m tall (slightly taller than the Tesla model 3)

2.92m WB (slightly longer than the Tesla model 3)

 

Coming to Europe in October 

RWD called “Design” 230kW motor, 5.9 secs, 520km range

AWD called “Excellence” 390kW across 2 motors, 3.8 secs, 570km range

LFP Blade Battery 82.5kWh for both models

charging 150kW DC, 11kw AC

Heat Pump, V2L

 

 

Edited July 31, 2023 by Bandersnatch

[Andrew Dwyer]

33 minutes ago, Bandersnatch said:

BYD Seal looks fantastic in pearlescent white much nicer than the Tesla Pearl White. I didn’t like the blue interior on the blue car when I sat in it at the BKK motor show, the darker interior looks much better. Nice to see the sun shield fitted, why doesn’t Tesla include one?

 

4.8m long (slightly longer than the Tesla model 3)

1.875m wide (slightly wider than the Tesla model 3)

1.46m tall (slightly taller than the Tesla model 3)

2.92m WB (slightly longer than the Tesla model 3)

 

Coming to Europe in October 

RWD called “Design” 230kW motor, 5.9 secs, 520km range

AWD called “Excellence” 390kW across 2 motors, 3.8 secs, 570km range

LFP Blade Battery 82.5kWh for both models

charging 150kW DC, 11kw AC

Heat Pump, V2L

 

 

You beat me too it !

I like Derek’s videos, he crams in as much info as poss in a short space of time, sometimes has a little oops ! , hatchback ?? , although he did correct it in text on the video.

[BKKBike09]

I see BYD have a fancy web site in English (it may have been up for ages, but I only just noticed it). It's quite impressive - not just knocked up in an afternoon 'because we need to have a web site'.

 

https://www.byd.com/en-th/car/atto3

 

 

 

[Bandersnatch]

19 hours ago, Bandersnatch said:

BYD Seal looks fantastic in pearlescent white much nicer than the Tesla Pearl White. I didn’t like the blue interior on the blue car when I sat in it at the BKK motor show, the darker interior looks much better. Nice to see the sun shield fitted, why doesn’t Tesla include one?

 

4.8m long (slightly longer than the Tesla model 3)

1.875m wide (slightly wider than the Tesla model 3)

1.46m tall (slightly taller than the Tesla model 3)

2.92m WB (slightly longer than the Tesla model 3)

 

Coming to Europe in October 

RWD called “Design” 230kW motor, 5.9 secs, 520km range

AWD called “Excellence” 390kW across 2 motors, 3.8 secs, 570km range

LFP Blade Battery 82.5kWh for both models

charging 150kW DC, 11kw AC

Heat Pump, V2L

 

 

As stated in the video the BYD Seal will come in only 2 different versions in Europe but the rest of the world will get three.

 

Here is a screen shot from a video taken in Australia showing a a smaller battery version (gross capacity)  - probably the same BYD Blade battery used in the Tesla RWD cars

 

[JBChiangRai]

I have some concerns over the marketing of the Atto 3.

 

I think there are differences not indicated in their spec sheet.  Unusually, there were 3 EV's following each other in central Chiang Rai last week.  first 2 cars were Standard & Extended range Atto 3's, and lastly me.

 

The horizontal lightbar on the standard range didn't appear to be lit, it could be because he didn't have his headlights on, I couldn't see the front.  The other day I saw a standard range and the horizontal lightbar on the front didn't appear to be illuminated.

 

I am also concerned that the performance figures for both cars are identical and yet according to the spec sheet they have the same power motor but different weights, this doesn't add up.

[motdaeng]

i took a closer look at the BYD Seal at the motor show (march 2023).

i really like its exterior, but i find the interior design to be overloaded ...

 

it's a pity that the Seal is still not available in thailand and we do not have

any information about the pricing yet ...

 

Edited August 1, 2023 by motdaeng
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