ozimoron Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Hummin said: Or solar farmers rent land from growing farmers, farmers keep the dirt and also save solar farmers for keeping the farms from overgrowing of weed and trees. Benefit both parties. In Australia they have found that sheep produce better quality wool when grazed in paddocks with solar panels. https://www.abc.net.au/news/rural/2022-05-30/solar-farm-grazing-sheep-agriculture-renewable-energy-review/101097364 Edited May 31, 2022 by ozimoron 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparktrader Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 1 minute ago, Baron Samedi said: There is no scientific consensus on that study. Science isnt about consensus. Its science not politics. Anything could happen in 2035. I dont know. Nobody does. Cant predict the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemsta69 Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 2 hours ago, Baron Samedi said: Didnt know the AseanNow forum was the equivalent of Qanon for Asia. Get yourself an education. Please. "Qanon for Asia"? nah mate, it's not that good! ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Sparktrader said: Science isnt about consensus. Its science not politics. Anything could happen in 2035. I dont know. Nobody does. Cant predict the future. That's garbage. Science and statistics can extrapolate from data to measure stuff like atmospheric CO2, temperatures, sea levels and ocean acidity with a high degree of accuracy https://www.science.org/content/article/new-climate-models-predict-warming-surge https://scied.ucar.edu/learning-zone/climate-change-impacts/predictions-future-global-climate Edited May 31, 2022 by ozimoron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Samedi Posted May 31, 2022 Author Share Posted May 31, 2022 3 minutes ago, Sparktrader said: Science isnt about consensus. Give that man a cookie and a glass of milk ???????????? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparktrader Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 22 minutes ago, Baron Samedi said: Give that man a cookie and a glass of milk ???????????? Genius abhors consensus because when consensus is reached, thinking stops. Stop nodding your head.” — Albert Einstein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparktrader Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 https://www.nsf.gov/news/news_summ.jsp?cntn_id=126069 1500 year cycle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 2 minutes ago, Sparktrader said: https://www.nsf.gov/news/news_summ.jsp?cntn_id=126069 1500 year cycle cyclical pressure pattern could combine with man-made climate change to exacerbate severe weather and flooding trends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Samedi Posted May 31, 2022 Author Share Posted May 31, 2022 21 minutes ago, Sparktrader said: Genius abhors consensus because when consensus is reached, thinking stops. Stop nodding your head.” — Albert Einstein Science is all about consensus. The idea behind the scientific method is simple: 1) a scientist comes up with an hypothesis, 2) that scientist tries to refute it, 3) then his/her colleagues try to refute it too, 4) and then, if nobody is successful, they all agree that the hypothesis can be considered a valid theory. There is no truth in science, only consensus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparktrader Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 1 minute ago, ozimoron said: cyclical pressure pattern could combine with man-made climate change to exacerbate severe weather and flooding trends. Separating the effects of human contributions to climate variability from those due to natural variability is never easy," he said. "Darby and his colleagues, using clever analyses of sediment data, have noted an important long-term variation in sediment transport that is consistent with variability in the Arctic climate on similar time scales. This work adds one more piece of information to our understanding of a very complex system." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparktrader Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 12 minutes ago, Baron Samedi said: Science is all about consensus. The idea behind the scientific method is simple: 1) a scientist comes up with an hypothesis, 2) that scientist tries to refute it, 3) then his/her colleagues try to refute it too, 4) and then, if nobody is successful, they all agree that the hypothesis can be considered a valid theory (not a truth - there is no truth in science) This is what is called a scientific consensus. Let’s be clear: the work of science has nothing whatever to do with consensus. Consensus is the business of politics. Science, on the contrary, requires only one investigator who happens to be right, which means that he or she has results that are verifiable by reference to the real world. In science consensus is irrelevant. What is relevant is reproducible results. The greatest scientists in history are great precisely because they broke with the consensus. There is no such thing as consensus science. If it’s consensus, it isn’t science. If it’s science, it isn’t consensus. Period. Crichton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 10 minutes ago, Sparktrader said: Let’s be clear: the work of science has nothing whatever to do with consensus. Consensus is the business of politics. Science, on the contrary, requires only one investigator who happens to be right, which means that he or she has results that are verifiable by reference to the real world. In science consensus is irrelevant. What is relevant is reproducible results. The greatest scientists in history are great precisely because they broke with the consensus. There is no such thing as consensus science. If it’s consensus, it isn’t science. If it’s science, it isn’t consensus. Period. Crichton So, you're trying to suggest that scientists can't reach a consensus and if they do then that consensus isn't valid and carries no weight? This is completely illogical. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritManToo Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 2 minutes ago, ozimoron said: So, you're trying to suggest that scientists can't reach a consensus and if they do then that consensus isn't valid? This is completely illogical. Science by consensus ........ The world is flat. You'll fall off the edge if you sail too far. The sun circles the earth. Man will never fly. Man will never reach the moon. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparktrader Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 1 minute ago, ozimoron said: So, you're trying to suggest that scientists can't reach a consensus and if they do then that consensus isn't valid? This is completely illogical. Science is about 2 things 1 constant learning 2 establishing facts that are provable ie the sun is a certain distance from the earth or e= mc squared or f=ma Theories are fine but a theory is just a theory. History has proven many theories wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Samedi Posted May 31, 2022 Author Share Posted May 31, 2022 12 minutes ago, Sparktrader said: Let’s be clear: the work of science has nothing whatever to do with consensus. Consensus is the business of politics. Science, on the contrary, requires only one investigator who happens to be right, which means that he or she has results that are verifiable by reference to the real world. In science consensus is irrelevant. What is relevant is reproducible results. The greatest scientists in history are great precisely because they broke with the consensus. There is no such thing as consensus science. If it’s consensus, it isn’t science. If it’s science, it isn’t consensus. Period. Crichton Crichton is talking about opinion-based consensus. Science is about fact-based consensus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparktrader Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 1 minute ago, BritManToo said: Science by consensus ........ The world is flat. You'll fall off the edge if you sail too far. The sun circles the earth. Man will never fly. Man will never reach the moon. Correct. Most theories held by masses all proven wrong. Time is the best way to test a theory. In 1850 who thought planes would work? In 1940 who thought the internet would exist? In 2050 a lot of beliefs now will be proven wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 (edited) 8 minutes ago, BritManToo said: Science by consensus ........ The world is flat. You'll fall off the edge if you sail too far. The sun circles the earth. Man will never fly. Man will never reach the moon. No scientist ever said any of those things and the statements predate the era of modern science. Edited May 31, 2022 by ozimoron 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onthedarkside Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 A post linking to a pseudoscience website with a history of misinformation has been removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparktrader Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 Just now, Baron Samedi said: Crichton is talking about opinion-based consensus. Science is about fact-based consensus. Consensus is opinion not fact. Bangkok to Chiang Mai is ... km fact You dont ask 100 Thais how far it is, you look at a map. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Samedi Posted May 31, 2022 Author Share Posted May 31, 2022 5 minutes ago, BritManToo said: Science by consensus ........ The world is flat. You'll fall off the edge if you sail too far. The sun circles the earth. Man will never fly. Man will never reach the moon. Scientific consensus would actually refute all those assertions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparktrader Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 https://www.famousscientists.org/10-most-famous-scientific-theories-that-were-later-debunked/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparktrader Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 1 minute ago, Baron Samedi said: Scientific consensus would actually refute all those assertions. Ok then. Show me one scientific paper that proves how much of climate change is natural and how much is man. Show me how much Thailand has warmed due to nature and how much due to man. If you have the science I would like to see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Samedi Posted May 31, 2022 Author Share Posted May 31, 2022 1 minute ago, Sparktrader said: Consensus is opinion not fact. This is where you make a mistake. A consensus just means a general agreement. That general agreement can be made on opinions or facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallGuyJohninBKK Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 October 2019 Report: Flooded Future: Global vulnerability to sea level rise worse than previously understood EXECUTIVE SUMMARY As a result of heat-trapping pollution from human activities, rising sea levels could within three decades push chronic floods higher than land currently home to 300 million people By 2100, areas now home to 200 million people could fall permanently below the high tide line ... The threat is concentrated in coastal Asia and could have profound economic and political consequences within the lifetimes of people alive today Findings are documented in a new peer-reviewed paper in the journal Nature Communications https://www.climatecentral.org/news/report-flooded-future-global-vulnerability-to-sea-level-rise-worse-than-previously-understood "Overall, we rate Climate Central Left-Center Biased and pro-science based on adherence to the consensus of science with climate change. We also rate them High for factual reporting due to proper sourcing and a clean fact check record." https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/climate-central/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Samedi Posted May 31, 2022 Author Share Posted May 31, 2022 3 minutes ago, Sparktrader said: Ok then. Show me one scientific paper that proves how much of climate change is natural and how much is man. Show me how much Thailand has warmed due to nature and how much due to man. If you have the science I would like to see it. How about you read the last IPCC report ???? https://www.ipcc.ch/reports/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StreetCowboy Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 5 minutes ago, Sparktrader said: Ok then. Show me one scientific paper that proves how much of climate change is natural and how much is man. Show me how much Thailand has warmed due to nature and how much due to man. If you have the science I would like to see it. We are lucky to have guys like you on this forum who can sort the wheat from the chaff, otherwise we’d have to rely upon the scientists and academics that we employ. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparktrader Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 1 minute ago, Baron Samedi said: How about you read the last IPCC report ???? https://www.ipcc.ch/reports/ Thats not proof. Thats just estimates and models. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparktrader Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 6 minutes ago, Baron Samedi said: This is where you make a mistake. A consensus just means a general agreement. That general agreement can be made on opinions or facts. Ok then what exact % of cc is man? Show me 100 scientists who agree on the % Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparktrader Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/ab9af7 Peer reviewed paper on model errors Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StreetCowboy Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 15 minutes ago, Sparktrader said: Correct. Most theories held by masses all proven wrong. Time is the best way to test a theory. In 1850 who thought planes would work? In 1940 who thought the internet would exist? In 2050 a lot of beliefs now will be proven wrong. Maybe global warming will be one of them. And maybe deep sea fishermen in places that are now mountains might rue the profligacy of their ancestors. I’d rather play safe, but then I have children. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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