placeholder Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 Just now, EVENKEEL said: Would you not think that training and policies and protocol are very similar. You claimed that training and protocol policies somehow interfered with the police response. I have only seen evidence to the contrary in which police trainers responsible for training police forces to reactto such incidents criticized the Uvalde police. You have yet to share any evidence that training and protocol somehow contributed to the deficient response of the Uvalde police dept. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcheech Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 54 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said: So many policies and protocols to adhere to that they (law enforcement) failed. That is what was going on at Uvalde. Adhering to policies and protocols? Current news up this morning; Police Chief Pete Arredonado placed on leave amid ongoing Federal and State investigations. Someone (lot of denial who), made the decision all were dead and shooter was barricaded in. As such no immediate action was taken, even though messages received, people alive, wounded dying, need help. What policy and protocol were in affect, no one is talking much about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placeholder Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 49 minutes ago, Dcheech said: That is what was going on at Uvalde. Adhering to policies and protocols? Current news up this morning; Police Chief Pete Arredonado placed on leave amid ongoing Federal and State investigations. Someone (lot of denial who), made the decision all were dead and shooter was barricaded in. As such no immediate action was taken, even though messages received, people alive, wounded dying, need help. What policy and protocol were in affect, no one is talking much about. There was plenty of talk about protocol in a case like this from the experts including those who trained the Uvalde police. And it certainly wasn't to wait outside and do nothing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EVENKEEL Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 2 hours ago, placeholder said: You claimed that training and protocol policies somehow interfered with the police response. I have only seen evidence to the contrary in which police trainers responsible for training police forces to reactto such incidents criticized the Uvalde police. You have yet to share any evidence that training and protocol somehow contributed to the deficient response of the Uvalde police dept. It will IMO turn into a blame game between the responding agencies. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said: It will IMO turn into a blame game between the responding agencies. Rather than just a blame "game" is does look like there is actual blame to be laid. One thing this incident has done is exposed the lie that the solution is more guns. Even Republicans have been forced to break ranks and act. The gun law bill progressing in the U.S. Senate is exposing a wide rift in the Republican Caucus, The Washington Post reported Wednesday. Sen. John Cornyn (R-TX) was the lead GOP negotiator and brought along Sen. GOP Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) along with Sens. Roy Blunt (R-MO), Richard Burr (R-NC), Shelley Moore Capito (R-WV), Bill Cassidy (R-LA), Susan Collins (R-ME), Joni Ernst (R-IA), Lindsey Graham (R-SC), Lisa Murkowski (R-AK), Rob Portman (R-OH), Mitt Romney (R-UT), Tom Tillis (R-NC), and Todd Young (R-IN). Some of those Republicans were among the most outspoken Wednesday in publicly opposing the deal and warning of brewing conservative backlash that could wash the deal’s backers out of power." https://www.rawstory.com/gun-law-gop-senate/ Uvalde Consolidated Independent School District police Chief Pete Arredondo has been placed on administrative leave amid criticism of the law enforcement response to the worst school shooting in Texas history. https://www.rawstory.com/arredondo/ Edited June 23, 2022 by ozimoron 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placeholder Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 6 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said: It will IMO turn into a blame game between the responding agencies. Given that virtually no one, apart from the now suspended police chief and maybe some members of the force, are defending the police, that in fact both the left and right are blaming them, I doubt your prediction means much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhunLA Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 Quote The Supreme Court has ruled in favor of gun owners who want to carry their weapons outside the home, striking down New York state’s rules giving local officials broad authority to deny such permits for almost any reason. https://www.politico.com/news/2022/06/23/supreme-court-strikes-down-new-york-gun-law-along-ideological-lines-00041691#:~:text=The Supreme Court has ruled,permits for almost any reason. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 2 minutes ago, KhunLA said: https://www.politico.com/news/2022/06/23/supreme-court-strikes-down-new-york-gun-law-along-ideological-lines-00041691#:~:text=The Supreme Court has ruled,permits for almost any reason. Who thinks that gun homicides and suicides in New York won't be higher this time next year? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slip Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 11 minutes ago, ozimoron said: Who thinks that gun homicides and suicides in New York won't be higher this time next year? Republicans alone. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 Justice Breyer issues scathing dissent as Supreme Court kills New York gun ruling https://www.rawstory.com/supreme-court-breyer/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhunLA Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 (edited) edited, inconsistent numbers found Edited June 23, 2022 by KhunLA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhunLA Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 (edited) dupe Edited June 23, 2022 by KhunLA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 Once again. Time to reform the SCOTUS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhunLA Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 (edited) Stacking the SCOTUS isn't going to happen in our lifetime, or this century. It would take 2/3 of the vote, to pass an Amendment in Congress to change it. Per Article V, the states can force Congress to 'propose' an Amendment, but that has never been successful. Oh well .... ???? "The Constitution places the power to determine the number of Justices in the hands of Congress. The first Judiciary Act, passed in 1789, set the number of Justices at six, one Chief Justice and five Associates. Over the years Congress has passed various acts to change this number, fluctuating from a low of five to a high of ten. The Judiciary Act of 1869 fixed the number of Justices at nine and no subsequent change to the number of Justices has occurred." https://www.supremecourt.gov/about/faq_general.aspx 1937, President Franklin D. Roosevelt tried to stack the SCOTUS and failed. Hasn't been tried since. Edited June 23, 2022 by KhunLA 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 (edited) There is possibly some scope to impeach Thomas, Kavanaugh and Coney-Barrett. Also unlikely for the same reasons but you never know. This is very obviously a politically driven activist supreme court as evidenced by the fact that they have struck down a law which is over 100 years old and has majority popular support. https://www.rawstory.com/new-york-officials-slam-shocking-supreme-court-gun-ruling/ Edited June 23, 2022 by ozimoron 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhunLA Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 4 minutes ago, ozimoron said: There is possibly some scope to impeach Thomas, Kavanaugh and Coney-Barrett. Also unlikely for the same reasons but you never know. I do .... not going happen. Impeaching is hard enough, convicting even harder. Nothing states a Justice can't change his / her mind after appointment. And many have. Justice Samuel Chase in 1805 was impeached, and the Senate acquitted him: https://www.supremecourt.gov/about/faq_general.aspx#:~:text=The only Justice to be,was acquitted by the Senate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 22 minutes ago, KhunLA said: I do .... not going happen. Impeaching is hard enough, convicting even harder. Nothing states a Justice can't change his / her mind after appointment. And many have. Justice Samuel Chase in 1805 was impeached, and the Senate acquitted him: https://www.supremecourt.gov/about/faq_general.aspx#:~:text=The only Justice to be,was acquitted by the Senate. The difficulty of doing something is not an argument against doing it. And it might not be so difficult. Kavanaugh’s perjury is recorded. Thomas is under increasing pressure. The Democrats need to take the gloves at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhunLA Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said: The difficulty of doing something is not an argument against doing it. I believe most folks, IMHO, are under the impression, the US citizens want to change the 2nd Amendment or maybe, stack the SCOTUS. That's apparently wrong, or it would have been done already. Can't even get semi auto weapons banned. Yanks like their guns. Edited June 23, 2022 by KhunLA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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