Ukrainian leaders worried about 'war fatigue' among Western allies amid protracted conflict with Russia

[onthedarkside]

 

Ukrainian officials are concerned that Russia’s protracted war in the country – now entering its fourth month – could make Western allies tire of their steadfast support. 

 

The U.S., along with its allies, has supplied Ukraine with billions of dollars in aid and weapons to defend itself against Russian President Vladimir Putin’s invasion. 

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And while videos and images of alleged atrocities have shocked the world, domestic crises and nearly three and a half months have pulled focus from the largest war in Europe since World War II. Now, Kyiv officials are concerned about international "war fatigue."

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The fatigue is growing, people want some kind of outcome (that is beneficial) for themselves, and we want (another) outcome for ourselves," Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said recently. 

 

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https://www.foxnews.com/world/ukrainian-leaders-war-fatigue-western-allies-russia

 

 

 

[onthedarkside]

Ukraine running out of ammunition, intelligence official says

Ukrainian forces running out of artillery ammo, exacerbating disparity between Russian and Ukrainian firepower

 

Ukraine is quickly running out of ammunition as they continue to pushback against the Russian invasion.

 

Ukrainian Deputy Head of Military Intelligence Vadym Skibitsky said in an interview that the violent conflict has exhausted the majority of Ukrainian artillery. 

 

Skibitsky said that overseas contributions were supplying the battle on the front line, but that Ukraine was still severely under prepared compared to their enemies.

 

"Everything now depends on what [the west] gives us," Skibitsky said in an interview with the Guardian. "Ukraine has one artillery piece to 10 to 15 Russian artillery pieces. Our western partners have given us about 10% of what they have."

 

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https://www.foxnews.com/world/ukraine-ammunition-running-out-intelligence-official

 

[GrandPapillon]

choose peace, not war.

 

Zelensky need to save his people and surrender. It's the right thing to do, and he knows it.

 

EU leaders are getting tired and there are cracks in the strategies to go forward as agreed among EU leaders

 

obviously a diplomatic solution needs to be engaged, it's the only possible outcome

Edited June 10, 2022 by GrandPapillon

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

2 minutes ago, GrandPapillon said:

obviously a diplomatic solution needs to be engaged, it's the only possible outcome

 Here's my diplomatic solution for Russia -- get the heck out of Ukraine, and go back to your own country!

 

[GrandPapillon]

Just now, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 Here's my diplomatic solution for Russia -- get the heck out of Ukraine, and go back to your own country!

 

that doesn't sound very diplomatic ????

 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

Just now, GrandPapillon said:

that doesn't sound very diplomatic ????

Guess that depends on which side of the border you inhabit... politically speaking.

 

[tgw]

4 minutes ago, GrandPapillon said:

choose peace, not war.

 

Zelensky need to save his people and surrender. It's the right thing to do, and he knows it.

 

EU leaders are getting tired and there are cracks in the strategies to go forward as agreed among EU leaders

 

obviously a diplomatic solution needs to be engaged, it's the only possible outcome

surrender and let the Ruzzians destroy Ukraine.

nope.

not gonna happen.

 

but they are right to be worried about War fatigue.

luckily, something tells me that USA and UK won't abandon Ukraine.

and maybe the German chancellor will at some point yield to his own parliament's pressure.

 

anyway, people who advise surrender to Ukraine are either Ruzzian trolls or ignore reality in Ukraine and what will happen to that country after it surrenders.

 

I can only ask everyone to write to your democratic representatives and ask for more support for Ukraine.

[tgw]

5 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 Here's my diplomatic solution for Russia -- get the heck out of Ukraine, and go back to your own country!

 

this is the way.

[wombat]

5 hours ago, GrandPapillon said:

Zelensky need to save his people and surrender. It's the right thing to do, and he knows it

While the world policeman is selling lend lease agreements it ain't gunna happen.

[blazes]

5 hours ago, tgw said:

luckily, something tells me that USA and UK won't abandon Ukraine.

Well, USA did not "abandon" Afghanistan (Vietnam etc etc) until they ....er...abandoned Afghanistan (Vietnam etc etc).....

 

[micmichd]

6 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Guess that depends on which side of the border you inhabit... politically speaking.

 

BS. Me, I'm living in Thailand, and Thailand is neutral. 

[IAMHERE]

It's all about the oil & gas discoveries in the Ukraine; Russia has got to control them and is willing to wage war for resources for longer than the west can support the Ukraine. This war is for the rest of the century for Russia, all they have to do is to keep the Western  Oil greats from exploiting the resources in the Ukraine.

[Venom]

1 hour ago, blazes said:

Well, USA did not "abandon" Afghanistan (Vietnam etc etc) until they ....er...abandoned Afghanistan (Vietnam etc etc).....

 

A proven and very successful business model. 

[Bkk Brian]

7 hours ago, tgw said:

this is the way.

Exactly. If Russia puts down its weapons the war will stop. If Ukraine puts down its weapons there will be no Ukraine

[superal]

Sooner or later the USA & UK will get involved in military support for the Ukraine , hopefully sooner . Putin is about to execute 2 ex Brits who were serving in the Ukraine army . Putin accused them of being mercenaries . Putin has committed many war crimes . He is also holding back the distribution of wheat grain to the world with African nations starving right now . What will it take for the Ukraine to get military backing ? Putin threats to western countries of " keep out of this war or I will use special weapons " .  Me thinks , time to call his bluff and it would not take a long time to defeat the amateurish Russian army .  The rebuilding of Ukraine will involve lucrative commercial contracts with preference given to the supporting countries of Ukraine .

[expat_4_life]

Ukraine should have considered all this before hostilities broke out - it's not like they didn't have 8 long years, since 2014, to figure it all out.

 

Hostilities likely could have been avoided if Ukraine had fulfilled their commitments under the Minsk 2 agreement.  Oh, and what were France and Germany, the EU guarantors to the agreement, doing since it was signed in 2014?

 

It all a dangerous mess now.  While Russia is the invader, Ukraine and the western powers also deserve a fair share of the blame for allowing escalation to an armed conflict, which the West is now prolonging by arming Ukraine.

 

Hopefully a diplomatic settlement can be reached, sooner rather than later.

Edited June 11, 2022 by expat_4_life

[Stargeezr]

If Ukraine tells Putin to stop the war, and lets him to keep the eastern areas for a while,

how long will it take for Russia to find out all the lies that Putin and his propaganda KGB

machine have make them believe that Ukraine was not invaded. Will the Russians actually

be okay with all these lies and the deaths of their sons and daughters?  I do wonder what is

next for the people of Russia. If Russia did not have all the nuke weapons, the fear of them getting

used would be less, but let us not forget about Putin. Scary times indeed.

[new2here]

I would agree that at some point the “west” might start to show signs of war fatigue or war support fatigue…. I think part of this is going to be their everyday citizens seeing prices driven by the economic fall out - ie prices rising, in part but not totality, due to the war, and many will start to demand the focus shift inwards - ie their own daily cost of living..

 

I also think that in the end, the media cycle time is hyper short.. todays worldwide headline event will shift fairly quickly to the latest news somewhere else in the world… i just think that’s how it is with our ability to broadcast from nearly anywhere in the world and do so in near real-time. 

 

I’ve also got to believe that when the war in the Ukraine is over - whatever form that may take - I wouldn’t be at all surprised if there’s a “bill” so to speak, shown to Ukraine, and that they’ll tacitly be expected to pay back to those countries who backed them by direct financial support, material support or the like. 

[arithai12]

2 hours ago, superal said:

Sooner or later the USA & UK will get involved in military support for the Ukraine , hopefully sooner .

they already are, since months! Or this war would have ended within one week. The USA support (directly and through pressure on their allies) is the only reason this is dragging on.

[arithai12]

11 hours ago, GrandPapillon said:

choose peace, not war.

 

Zelensky need to save his people and surrender. It's the right thing to do, and he knows it.

 

EU leaders are getting tired and there are cracks in the strategies to go forward as agreed among EU leaders

 

obviously a diplomatic solution needs to be engaged, it's the only possible outcome

Agreed. And EU leaders are finding it increasingly difficult to explain to their own people why is it that they have problems finding a job, a place to live, making ends meet with increasing costs, while billions in economic and military aid are sent to Ukraine and the refugees are welcomed with a red carpet.

Only diplomacy will end this, not sending more weapons.

 

 

[GrandPapillon]

13 hours ago, tgw said:

something tells me that USA and UK won't abandon Ukraine.

you mean like they didn't abandon Afghanistan? ????

 

[GrandPapillon]

8 hours ago, wombat said:

While the world policeman is selling lend lease agreements it ain't gunna happen.

that's what I am afraid of, Pentagon dirty little side business of loan sharking on weak nations like Ukraine ????

 

[GrandPapillon]

4 hours ago, superal said:

Sooner or later the USA & UK will get involved in military support for the Ukraine

they don't have the international support for it, and the last thing the US needs is to lose another war,

 

without the needed coalition covering up their military incompetence, it's not going to happen

 

but again, with Biden, anything is possible on his "good" days ????

Edited June 11, 2022 by GrandPapillon

[superal]

5 hours ago, expat_4_life said:

Ukraine should have considered all this before hostilities broke out - it's not like they didn't have 8 long years, since 2014, to figure it all out.

 

Hostilities likely could have been avoided if Ukraine had fulfilled their commitments under the Minsk 2 agreement.  Oh, and what were France and Germany, the EU guarantors to the agreement, doing since it was signed in 2014?

 

It all a dangerous mess now.  While Russia is the invader, Ukraine and the western powers also deserve a fair share of the blame for allowing escalation to an armed conflict, which the West is now prolonging by arming Ukraine.

 

Hopefully a diplomatic settlement can be reached, sooner rather than later.

A diplomatic settlement ? maybe 2 months ago but not now as there has been too much loss of life to innocent Ukraine folk , including children and the elderly caused by deliberate targeting of schools and hospitals . Peoples homes and possessions destroyed . There is much hatred from the Ukraine people to the Russians . The Ukraine's want revenge , not only to take back the land that Russia now occupies but also Crimea . That would mean the backing of the Ukraine army . Then perhaps an invasion on Russia and take over the oil and gas supplies plus impose collateral damage on Russian government buildings . 

Russians are being fed lies about the war . Some are taking up VPNs  and now can access the true line of events via outside TV stations rather than the propaganda from the Russian national TV  . When the truth has spread there could be an uprising against Putin , that is if he has not been taken out by either one of his own or opposing forces ,

[GrandPapillon]

Germany and France were the lazy ones for the Minsk accord, they were to follow up on the ceasefire and ask Ukraine to comply to the accords that they signed, but of course, Zelensky freshly elected completely ignored that accord and was in clear violation of the spirit of the accord to move things forward.

 

It's the collective laziness of EU leaders that triggered the situation, they knew Russia would react eventually, or maybe they were simply testing Putin to see how far he would go. I guess they have their answers now.

 

Except the EU leaders were not on the font lines and were taking any risk, it's the poor civilians in Ukraine.

 

They played Russian Roulette, and they lost.

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5 hours ago, GrandPapillon said:

Germany and France were the lazy ones for the Minsk accord, they were to follow up on the ceasefire and ask Ukraine to comply to the accords that they signed, but of course, Zelensky freshly elected completely ignored that accord and was in clear violation of the spirit of the accord to move things forward.

 

It's the collective laziness of EU leaders that triggered the situation, they knew Russia would react eventually, or maybe they were simply testing Putin to see how far he would go. I guess they have their answers now.

 

Except the EU leaders were not on the font lines and were taking any risk, it's the poor civilians in Ukraine.

 

They played Russian Roulette, and they lost.

Really? Let me share something with you about Minsk 2

" A major blockage has been Russia's insistence that it is not a party to the conflict and therefore is not bound by its terms.

Point 10, for example, calls for the withdrawal of all foreign armed formations and military equipment from the two disputed regions, Donetsk and Luhansk: Ukraine says this refers to forces from Russia, but Moscow denies it has any forces there."

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/what-are-minsk-agreements-ukraine-conflict-2022-02-21/

[bangon04]

On 6/11/2022 at 10:31 AM, superal said:

 

Russians are being fed lies about the war . Some are taking up VPNs  and now can access the true line of events via outside TV stations rather than the propaganda from the Russian national TV  . When the truth has spread there could be an uprising against Putin , that is if he has not been taken out by either one of his own or opposing forces ,

"IF" the unconfirmed rumors about Putin's terminal health issues turn out to be true or nearly true.....  there is a possible scenario that he personally has little to lose by pressing the big red button

[candide]

On 6/11/2022 at 6:04 AM, expat_4_life said:

Ukraine should have considered all this before hostilities broke out - it's not like they didn't have 8 long years, since 2014, to figure it all out.

 

Hostilities likely could have been avoided if Ukraine had fulfilled their commitments under the Minsk 2 agreement.  Oh, and what were France and Germany, the EU guarantors to the agreement, doing since it was signed in 2014?

 

It all a dangerous mess now.  While Russia is the invader, Ukraine and the western powers also deserve a fair share of the blame for allowing escalation to an armed conflict, which the West is now prolonging by arming Ukraine.

 

Hopefully a diplomatic settlement can be reached, sooner rather than later.

You conveniently forget to mention that Russia and its Donbass puppets did not respect the Minsk II agreement. It's a bit complicated to disentangle all the events with occurred. Ukraine may be also at fault, but it is certain that Russia did not respect the agreement.

[heybruce]

On 6/11/2022 at 12:04 AM, expat_4_life said:

Ukraine should have considered all this before hostilities broke out - it's not like they didn't have 8 long years, since 2014, to figure it all out.

 

Hostilities likely could have been avoided if Ukraine had fulfilled their commitments under the Minsk 2 agreement.  Oh, and what were France and Germany, the EU guarantors to the agreement, doing since it was signed in 2014?

 

It all a dangerous mess now.  While Russia is the invader, Ukraine and the western powers also deserve a fair share of the blame for allowing escalation to an armed conflict, which the West is now prolonging by arming Ukraine.

 

Hopefully a diplomatic settlement can be reached, sooner rather than later.

"Hostilities likely could have been avoided if Ukraine had fulfilled their commitments under the Minsk 2 agreement."

 

Why don't you identify exactly what parts of the Minsk agreements that Ukraine failed to fulfill?

 

"While Russia is the invader, Ukraine and the western powers also deserve a fair share of the blame for allowing escalation to an armed conflict, which the West is now prolonging by arming Ukraine."

 

This armed conflict began with a multi-front full-scale invasion of Ukraine by Russia.  How were Ukraine and the western powers supposed to de-escalate that?

 

 

[heybruce]

On 6/11/2022 at 1:36 AM, arithai12 said:

they already are, since months! Or this war would have ended within one week. The USA support (directly and through pressure on their allies) is the only reason this is dragging on.

The only way this war would have ended in a week is if Ukraine had collapsed completely and had a Russian puppet government installed.

 

Is that the solution you prefer?