1 hour ago, Thailand said:

 

This Brooks Koepka news is sort of a shocker.  The guy is a top tier superstar...although his game hasn't been what it was a year or two ago.  But then the DJ news was a shocker as well.  Heard Ancer is also leaving the PGA tour.  I suspect a few more top dudes will be announcing soon.  The Saudis will be on the hook for millions.....but hey, they certainly can afford it.  Too bad they don't want to put the money to better use, like....oh, I don't know, HELPING THEIR OWN CITIZENS!

1 hour ago, Berkshire said:

This Brooks Koepka news is sort of a shocker.  The guy is a top tier superstar...although his game hasn't been what it was a year or two ago.  But then the DJ news was a shocker as well.  Heard Ancer is also leaving the PGA tour.  I suspect a few more top dudes will be announcing soon.  The Saudis will be on the hook for millions.....but hey, they certainly can afford it.  Too bad they don't want to put the money to better use, like....oh, I don't know, HELPING THEIR OWN CITIZENS!

I would guess that the reason that Chase Koepka was with LIV was simply to put pressure on the brother that said he would not join. But another one on the the wrong side of the hill.

Money overcomes principals, just a matter of how much

2 hours ago, Berkshire said:

This Brooks Koepka news is sort of a shocker.  The guy is a top tier superstar...although his game hasn't been what it was a year or two ago.  But then the DJ news was a shocker as well.  Heard Ancer is also leaving the PGA tour.  I suspect a few more top dudes will be announcing soon.  The Saudis will be on the hook for millions.....but hey, they certainly can afford it.  Too bad they don't want to put the money to better use, like....oh, I don't know, HELPING THEIR OWN CITIZENS!

Oh they do help their own citizens; 0% personal income tax, education is basically free (to include university level), healthcare is free, petrol is cheap (understandably) as is many, many other things.

Just don't talk out about the regime, don't attend a demonstration, don't blaspheme (or be Shia) and don't be LBTQ. That'll get you tortured, whipped or killed.

Oh yeah, and try not to be a woman. 

Playing at a brand new golf course named Stonehill which is in Pathum Thani province north of Bangkok but as yet the ticket prices have not been published . Up to now there has been little TV coverage  but YouTube does give live coverage . I would think that the main TV companies  will not want to upset the PGA nor the DP . I cannot see this venture gaining popularity in the western world .

21 minutes ago, superal said:

Playing at a brand new golf course named Stonehill which is in Pathum Thani province north of Bangkok but as yet the ticket prices have not been published . Up to now there has been little TV coverage  but YouTube does give live coverage . I would think that the main TV companies  will not want to upset the PGA nor the DP . I cannot see this venture gaining popularity in the western world .

YouTube is becoming more popular than regular TV, so watching LIV on YouTube or livgolf.com is great, helps to grow the game with everyone able to watch

On 6/14/2022 at 10:13 AM, scubascuba3 said:

LIV golf will just get bigger, more events, they have momentum now. It would actually suit golfers who don't want to play too often, Tiger Woods would be ideal

I'm not sure if I can speak for anyone else, but LIV golf is unexciting to watch. Unless the tour is supported by viewers and can get advertising income to supplement the Saudi cash flow, IMO it will be gone in 5 years.

Players joining the LIV tour are not a true measure of its success, it is viewers. I will pay to watch the majors, no way will I pay to watch artificial tournaments on artificial golf courses.

19 hours ago, johnnybangkok said:

Oh they do help their own citizens; 0% personal income tax, education is basically free (to include university level), healthcare is free, petrol is cheap (understandably) as is many, many other things.

Just don't talk out about the regime, don't attend a demonstration, don't blaspheme (or be Shia) and don't be LBTQ. That'll get you tortured, whipped or killed.

Oh yeah, and try not to be a woman. 

I'm pretty sure there are poor people in Saudi Arabia.  But no, let's give $200 mil to a 52 yr old has-been just for showing up.  The difference between LIV and the PGA (not to mention other sports leagues) is that the PGA is market-driven...which means they have to abide by the rules of the free market.  LIV being government-funded can ignore all market rules and just throw money at players without consideration for profit/losses.  No corporation can survive acting like LIV.  Anyways, it's not a huge deal to me either way.  It'll be funny watching these players explain why they're jumping to LIV when we all know it's only about the money.

On 6/13/2022 at 3:32 AM, webfact said:

That said the Liv Tour and its golfers have been heavily targeted by sports media around the world.

 

This is when Formula 1 also holds races in Saudi Arabia, as do major boxing events, and even the DP World Tour formerly the European Tour, ( Affiliated to the PGA Tour) and the Ladies European Tour have hosted golf tournaments there too without any criticism.

classic thai. dodge and deflect. 

 

there is no excuse in any form of engagement with such vile human beings....saudi

 

they need to be castrated from this planet. these sort of barbaric mentalities (we could name a lot so lets just stick on subject here) need to go from earth. 

 

 

Just now, stoner said:

classic thai. dodge and deflect. 

 

there is no excuse in any form of engagement with such vile human beings....saudi

 

they need to be castrated from this planet. these sort of barbaric mentalities (we could name a lot so lets just stick on subject here) need to go from earth. 

 

 

There are not many of your posts that I agree with but this one of yours is spot on.  Sport washing is there going to be no end to it by the Saudis ?  And those taking part, purely for the money obviously, then I hope Karma pays them a visit one day.

4 minutes ago, Excel said:

There are not many of your posts that I agree with but this one of yours is spot on.

did you smoke a joint this morning ? ????

 

"Brooks at the Honda Classic regarding LIV: "I think...everyone talks about money. They've got enough of it. I don't see it backing down; they can just double up and they'll figure it out. They'll get their guys. Somebody will sell out and go to it."

 

I guess the millions help him sleep or simply no conscience, makes Phil look like a saint.  Sportswashing .com

Normal people are tired of the politics that now have infiltrated sports.
People just want to see their favorite players without having to deal with what country they are from and should therefore be 'sanctioned' by other sports bodies like the PGA
So Viva LIV.  Let's just get back to sports sans political statements.

1 hour ago, Lacessit said:

I'm not sure if I can speak for anyone else, but LIV golf is unexciting to watch. Unless the tour is supported by viewers and can get advertising income to supplement the Saudi cash flow, IMO it will be gone in 5 years.

Players joining the LIV tour are not a true measure of its success, it is viewers. I will pay to watch the majors, no way will I pay to watch artificial tournaments on artificial golf courses.

how much of the London event did you watch?

29 minutes ago, scubascuba3 said:

how much of the London event did you watch?

What London event?

20 hours ago, scubascuba3 said:

YouTube is becoming more popular than regular TV, so watching LIV on YouTube or livgolf.com is great, helps to grow the game with everyone able to watch

Its on YouTube as the regular top TV companies have steered clear of it because of its association with the Saudi Arabian led company and in turn , dreadful human rights . The likes of say Sky Sports will have close links with the DP tour and PGA and they will not want to damage their friendship . I believe that the British Open will allow the LIV defectors to play this year but it will probably be the last . The PGA has banned all defectors , as of now . I would suppose that the ban will include the Ryder Cup event in Rome 2023 .

What is difficult to understand is why very wealthy golfers such as Mickelson , who already has a wealth of around $400 million , decide to join up with this travelling road show and divorce themselves from all of the established golfing events that are held in high esteem and with decent rewards , not to mention the pride and kudos of winning . Now what does the LIV bring to the party ?  answer is a sports washing , money rich org; , greedy players and no purpose non sponsored  events that will attract a few ticket buyers in the early stages but will slowly collapse . 

Not believe that there will be many tickets sold for the Bangkok event but it will be interesting to see if it is broadcast on Thai TV . I have not looked yet but I am wondering if the UK betting companies are taking bets on the LIV golf events ? Lastly , Mcllroy was right to call Kopeka and others pretty duplicitous. Nice way of saying , two faced greedy xxxxxs .

I would say most of the guys going to LIV have had major injuries over the years.

The 54 holes may prolong their golf a little longer.

Only downside i see is if you win a Masters or the PGA it may be tarnished knowing all the best didn't play.

7 minutes ago, farmerjo said:

I would say most of the guys going to LIV have had major injuries over the years.

The 54 holes may prolong their golf a little longer.

Only downside i see is if you win a Masters or the PGA it may be tarnished knowing all the best didn't play.

All the best ? you mean the has beens ?  In recent golf comps i.e. the Canadian Open and the US open , none of the defectors got a look in with Mickelson +11 & Garcia missing the cut and Brooks Koepka at +12 to name just 3 of the top LIV players . Well rid of them .  Shame about Garcia as I liked him but if you fly with the crows your gonna get shot .

9 minutes ago, farmerjo said:

I would say most of the guys going to LIV have had major injuries over the years.

The 54 holes may prolong their golf a little longer.

Only downside i see is if you win a Masters or the PGA it may be tarnished knowing all the best didn't play.

54 holes of golf is what seniors play. IIRC, over 50 for professionals, over 55 for amateurs.

Permit me to doubt what is on the LIV tour is the best. Many of the professionals have either had their moment in the sun, or are waiting for it.

You may be right about major injuries. Many professionals put huge stresses on their bodies trying to screw out the extra 5 metres of distance off the tee, IMO Tiger Woods started that ball rolling. Contrast that with the likes of Sam Snead, Jack Nicklaus and Tom Watson, who have always swung within themselves. As a result, they had long careers.

The majors will always count for more among the professionals themselves, the only memory of a LIV tournament they will have is the size of the cheque.

 

2 hours ago, Lacessit said:

What London event?

you said it was unexciting to watch but you didn't watch any of it? you missed out 

1 hour ago, superal said:

Lastly , Mcllroy was right to call Kopeka and others pretty duplicitous. Nice way of saying , two faced greedy xxxxxs .

I'd prefer it if McIlroy shut up, the ultimate choker, and also stop looking in the dictionary for new words

2 hours ago, scubascuba3 said:

you said it was unexciting to watch but you didn't watch any of it? you missed out 

Probably saw snippets of it on YouTube. Yawn.

Exciting is Fitzpatrick and Zalatoris battling it out on the final 9 holes of the US Open. One of them becomes part of golf's rich history. Just like the duel in the sun, with Nicklaus and Watson.

A year from now, who is going to remember who won in London, or care?

14 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Probably saw snippets of it on YouTube. Yawn.

Exciting is Fitzpatrick and Zalatoris battling it out on the final 9 holes of the US Open. One of them becomes part of golf's rich history. Just like the duel in the sun, with Nicklaus and Watson.

A year from now, who is going to remember who won in London, or care?

i actually got into it, who was going to win $4m, i enjoyed the 3 days and new format, it's only the beginning, non golfers are unlikely to appreciate it

A rival for LIV already! ????

 

 

 

1 hour ago, scubascuba3 said:

i actually got into it, who was going to win $4m, i enjoyed the 3 days and new format, it's only the beginning, non golfers are unlikely to appreciate it

I'm really starting to wonder if you are a shill for the LIV tour, from the posts you are making.

If you are inferring I am a non-golfer, think again. I have been playing golf for 66 years, had my moments as a champion, and broke my age in February.

I have no objection to professionals making money out of the Saudis. Having said that, IMO pretending the LIV tour will ever have the cachet of the majors is BS.

14 hours ago, Lacessit said:

I'm really starting to wonder if you are a shill for the LIV tour, from the posts you are making.

If you are inferring I am a non-golfer, think again. I have been playing golf for 66 years, had my moments as a champion, and broke my age in February.

I have no objection to professionals making money out of the Saudis. Having said that, IMO pretending the LIV tour will ever have the cachet of the majors is BS.

When you beat your age , does that include taking off your handicap , i.e. net score ?

8 minutes ago, superal said:

When you beat your age , does that include taking off your handicap , i.e. net score ?

It means your gross score is less than your age.

I used to play with a guy called Keith McPherson, who used to beat his age regularly. He was in the Guinness Book of Records at one time. His grandson, Bryden McPherson, won the British Amateur Championship in 2011.

Al Balding, a Canadian professional, holds the record for beating his age by the most strokes. At age 78, he shot a 66 in a senior tournament. RIP.

16 hours ago, scubascuba3 said:

i actually got into it, who was going to win $4m, i enjoyed the 3 days and new format, it's only the beginning, non golfers are unlikely to appreciate it

The Saudi P I F can throw as much money as they like at the L I V golf and there will be takers who will defect but this venture , although a new format , will never gain popularity within the golfing fraternity . Why ? well golf has a long and rich history in both America and Europe and no money can buy that .   Within America and the UK there are 4 majors events that are cherished . On top of that there is the spectacle of the Ryder Cup that is held every 2 years and is a unique golfing team event watched by millions around the world and played by players who do not earn any money from the event . The game of golf is one of integrity , courtesy and honesty . That is something that the Saudis seem to lack .    

13 minutes ago, superal said:

. The game of golf is one of integrity , courtesy and honesty . That is something that the Saudis seem to lack .    

I have been a member at a couple of clubs when someone has cheated at golf, either on the course, or by handicap or score manipulation. They were asked to resign from the golf club forthwith, no second chances. Once the word got out, nobody would play with them anyway.

I started my golfing life as a caddie. IMO there is no better introduction to the values of the game.

27 minutes ago, superal said:

The Saudi P I F can throw as much money as they like at the L I V golf and there will be takers who will defect but this venture , although a new format , will never gain popularity within the golfing fraternity . Why ? well golf has a long and rich history in both America and Europe and no money can buy that .   Within America and the UK there are 4 majors events that are cherished . On top of that there is the spectacle of the Ryder Cup that is held every 2 years and is a unique golfing team event watched by millions around the world and played by players who do not earn any money from the event . The game of golf is one of integrity , courtesy and honesty . That is something that the Saudis seem to lack .    

PGA have been caught out withholding money by now throwing money at new events, only because of LIV