RayC Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 6 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said: Europeans now need to apply for working visas for the U.K. A barrier to the free movement of labour is a benefit? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 On 7/22/2022 at 3:39 PM, transam said: Non-racists don't count the number of different colour faces. Seems you are, perhaps you should drop it.....???? That's not true. The reason they don't want to count them is because the numbers don't look good for them. "Colour blind" aka "not counting colour" is also a dog whistle for anti affirmative action. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Mickmanus Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 3 minutes ago, RayC said: A barrier to the free movement of labour is a benefit? Yes, all Countries have them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayC Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 7 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said: Yes, all Countries have them 27 states in Europe don't! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Mickmanus Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 11 minutes ago, RayC said: 27 states in Europe don't! The other 200 Countries in the world do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayC Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 51 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said: The other 200 Countries in the world do Most see the benefit of a Single Market and would replicate it if they could. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Mickmanus Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 21 minutes ago, RayC said: Most see the benefit of a Single Market and would replicate it if they could. Were did you get that info from ? I do have a feeling that you just made it up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayC Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 7 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said: Were did you get that info from ? ASEAN, CAFTA, Mercosur, SADU are all trying to reduce trade barriers within their respective blocs. 7 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said: I do have a feeling that you just made it up I would be along in that if that were the case. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Mickmanus Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 Just now, RayC said: ASEAN, CAFTA, Mercosur, SADU are all trying to reduce trade barriers within their respective blocs. I would be along in that if that were the case. So why doesn't ASEAN have a fee labour movement , where Burmese and Laotians can just walk across the border into Thailand and get a job ? Why do Thailand require Burmese to get a work permit and visa ? Why doesn't Singapore allow ASEAN Country members to work their without work visas ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 27 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said: So why doesn't ASEAN have a fee labour movement , where Burmese and Laotians can just walk across the border into Thailand and get a job ? Why do Thailand require Burmese to get a work permit and visa ? Why doesn't Singapore allow ASEAN Country members to work their without work visas ? All those countries have adequate unskilled and low skilled labour forces so don't need to import labour. Singapore is an exception but it is very easy for Malaysians to work in Singapore. https://mustsharenews.com/malaysians-working-singapore/ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Mickmanus Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 Just now, ozimoron said: All those countries have adequate unskilled and low skilled labour forces so don't need to import labour. Singapore is an exception but it is very easy for Malaysians to work in Singapore. https://mustsharenews.com/malaysians-working-singapore/ There are about 2,500 000 migrant workers in Thailand, 1 million of them from Myanmar . 2 and a half million foreign workers in Thailand , mostly coming from ASEAN Countries 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said: There are about 2,500 000 migrant workers in Thailand, 1 million of them from Myanmar . 2 and a half million foreign workers in Thailand , mostly coming from ASEAN Countries Well, that answers your question then doesn't it? They do, at least informally. The difference though is that it isn't only the UK that needs foreign workers in Europe. In Asia, it is literally Singapore and Thailand. Edited July 25, 2022 by ozimoron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 47 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said: So why doesn't ASEAN have a fee labour movement , where Burmese and Laotians can just walk across the border into Thailand and get a job ? Why do Thailand require Burmese to get a work permit and visa ? Why doesn't Singapore allow ASEAN Country members to work their without work visas ? Comparing the (let’s be kind here) ‘developing economies’ of SE Asia with the developed nations of Europe is false equivalence nonsense. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinny41 Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 13 minutes ago, ozimoron said: Well, that answers your question then doesn't it? They do, at least informally. The difference though is that it isn't only the UK that needs foreign workers in Europe. In Asia, it is literally Singapore and Thailand. North Korean forced labourers in the EU working in Poland https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/E-8-2017-006243_EN.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Mickmanus Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 9 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said: Comparing the (let’s be kind here) ‘developing economies’ of SE Asia with the developed nations of Europe is false equivalence nonsense. OK, lets use another example . USA-CANADA-Mexico have a trade a agreement Why doesn't the USA let Mexican workers into the USA to work freely without a visa ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Mickmanus Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 24 minutes ago, ozimoron said: Well, that answers your question then doesn't it? They do, at least informally. The difference though is that it isn't only the UK that needs foreign workers in Europe. In Asia, it is literally Singapore and Thailand. Yes, but whether any Country needs foreign workers or not isn't the issue The issue is whether foreign workers should be allowed to enter Countries and work without any kind of permission or visa . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 11 minutes ago, vinny41 said: North Korean forced labourers in the EU working in Poland https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/E-8-2017-006243_EN.html That's legal in Poland. 3 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said: OK, lets use another example . USA-CANADA-Mexico have a trade a agreement Why doesn't the USA let Mexican workers into the USA to work freely without a visa ? They do, it's more about who employs them rather than who "lets them in". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Mickmanus Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 3 minutes ago, ozimoron said: That's legal in Poland. They do, it's more about who employs them rather than who "lets them in". Oh OK ,so Mexicans can just walk across into the USA and legally get a job without needing a visa or documents or anything ? Just cross from the Mexico to the USA and get a job without a work visa I didn't know that , fair enough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinny41 Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 12 minutes ago, ozimoron said: That's legal in Poland. They do, it's more about who employs them rather than who "lets them in". EU Feb 2018 the requirement to repatriate all DPRK workers abroad within 24 months, subject to applicable national and international law. https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2018/02/26/north-korea-eu-aligns-sanctions-with-latest-un-security-council-resolution/ No longer legal in Poland or anywhere in the EU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 8 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said: Oh OK ,so Mexicans can just walk across into the USA and legally get a job without needing a visa or documents or anything ? Just cross from the Mexico to the USA and get a job without a work visa I didn't know that , fair enough yes, that's always been the case. Even during operation "wetback" when Eisenhower chucked over half a million out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinny41 Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 Only citizens of Canada and Mexico are eligible for a nonimmigrant North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) Professional visa to work in the U.S. The NAFTA Professional visa classification is TN and grants the holder temporary entry into the U.S. to work in business activities at a professional level for an initial period of up to three years. https://www.usa.gov/visas#item-213287 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinny41 Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 (edited) 27 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said: Oh OK ,so Mexicans can just walk across into the USA and legally get a job without needing a visa or documents or anything ? Just cross from the Mexico to the USA and get a job without a work visa I didn't know that , fair enough Duplicate Post Edited July 25, 2022 by vinny41 add Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinny41 Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 If you wish to work in the United States for a temporary period you will require a nonimmigrant work visa. You cannot work on a visitor or business visa, or under the Visa Waiver Program (VWP). Unlike some countries, the United States government does not issue work visas for casual employment. https://uk.usembassy.gov/visas/temporary-employment/#:~:text=If you wish to work,work visas for casual employment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Mickmanus Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 16 minutes ago, ozimoron said: yes, that's always been the case. Even during operation "wetback" when Eisenhower chucked over half a million out. That doesnt make any sense . You are saying that Mexicans can go and work and live in the USA without a visa or anything , then you give a 70 year old example of when Mexicans were deported en masse from the USA 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 45 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said: OK, lets use another example . USA-CANADA-Mexico have a trade a agreement Why doesn't the USA let Mexican workers into the USA to work freely without a visa ? They aren’t in an economic and political union. Next. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Mickmanus Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said: They aren’t in an economic and political union. Next. Arent they ? fair enough, I didnt know that https://ustr.gov/trade-agreements/free-trade-agreements/united-states-mexico-canada-agreement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 33 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said: Arent they ? fair enough, I didnt know that https://ustr.gov/trade-agreements/free-trade-agreements/united-states-mexico-canada-agreement That’s a free trade agreement, it’s nothing at all like the EU. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayC Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 3 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said: So why doesn't ASEAN have a fee labour movement , where Burmese and Laotians can just walk across the border into Thailand and get a job ? Why do Thailand require Burmese to get a work permit and visa ? Why doesn't Singapore allow ASEAN Country members to work their without work visas ? Because processes and procedures need to be developed. What works for the EU single market might not be applicable elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Mickmanus Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 2 minutes ago, RayC said: Because processes and procedures need to be developed. What works for the EU single market might not be applicable elsewhere. Its because in both/all cases , cheap foreign labour floods the labour market and there's an endless supply of people willing to work for a pittance and without conforming to employment rules . Its great for big business with cheap imported workers, but not too good for the native labour force , hence why many Labour voters voted for Brexit 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 8 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said: That doesnt make any sense . You are saying that Mexicans can go and work and live in the USA without a visa or anything , then you give a 70 year old example of when Mexicans were deported en masse from the USA The point of my example was that even during concerted GOP efforts to remove immigrants, Republican farmers were still smuggling them back in and continuing to employ them. My post said "it has always been the case" It did not say this was only the case at one time 70 years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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