Thailand has strong fire-safety laws, so why do deadly nightclub blazes keep happening?

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Mountain B nightclub after a deadly fire in Sattahip district in Thailand’s Chonburi province on August 5, 2022.

The Mountain B pub blaze that killed 16 people and injured dozens shows Thailand has failed to learn lessons from its history of deadly infernos.

 

Although safety rules and building-control laws are in place, operators and authorities still have a casual attitude towards compliance. The result is that avoidable disasters continue to happen on a regular basis, with victims struggling and dying in the flames.

 

What happened at Mountain B?

 

In the wee hours of August 5, more than 100 people were partying inside Mountain B – a new pub in Chon Buri’s Sattahip district – as a band played live on stage.

 

But their fun night out suddenly turned into a nightmare at about 1am. Revelers noticed a spark that seemed to come from the ceiling. Flames quickly followed, raging through the interior and engulfing the whole building in a matter of seconds.

 

Full story: https://www.thaipbsworld.com/thailand-has-strong-fire-safety-laws-so-why-do-deadly-nightclub-blazes-keep-happening/

 

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[jacko45k]

Does this question really need to be asked? Laws are not enforced or policed here, and if they are it is simply a way to line pockets by ignoring them. That nightclub was apparently opened with as much oversight as a noodle seller!

And safety precautions, hardly exist at all, in a place where flip flops are  regarded as protective footwear, and a baseball cap is a crash helmet!

Edited August 13, 2022 by jacko45k

[lujanit]

Thailand has strong fire-safety laws, so why do deadly nightclub blazes keep happening?

 

Answer.  Corruption.

[theoldgit]

8 minutes ago, jacko45k said:

And safety precautions, hardly exist at all, in a place where flip flops are  regarded as protective footwear, and a baseball cap is a crash helmet!

 

And a Covid mask is considered necessary on a motorcycle, but not a helmet, or even baseball cap. 

[2baht]

so why do deadly nightclub blazes keep happening?

Because of an insatiable greed for money on the part of all involved in the control of such venues and licencing!

 

 

Edited August 13, 2022 by 2baht

[Henryford]

Like all Thai laws, they are not enforced unless the RTP need a payout.

[Lemsta69]

Just now, theoldgit said:

 

And a Covid mask is considered necessary on a motorcycle, but not a helmet, or even baseball cap. 

that's part of the charm of living here though. makes it a hell of a lot more interesting than boring old Ferrangland ????

[jacko45k]

Just now, theoldgit said:

 

And a Covid mask is considered necessary on a motorcycle, but not a helmet, or even baseball cap. 

Oh do get off that, it is past, over, and not even the case now!

[Tropicalevo]

4 minutes ago, Lemsta69 said:

that's part of the charm of living here though. makes it a hell of a lot more interesting than boring old Ferrangland ????

I do not disagree.

The bit that amuses me is that pretty much everyone who posts here breaks the law somewhere.

The charm of living here is that we decide which laws we want to break.

The complaints about the lack of law enforcement is just people complaining that someone else breaks different laws.

[theoldgit]

20 minutes ago, jacko45k said:

Oh do get off that, it is past, over, and not even the case now!

 

Oh really, it may not be a legal requirement, but, at least in my neck of the woods, more motorcyclists still seem to wear masks than don't, whilst, as you say, don't feel that a helmet is needed.  

[bluebluewater]

Really and truly?   You can't sort this out?  Are you a child?

[Lemsta69]

20 minutes ago, Tropicalevo said:

I do not disagree.

The bit that amuses me is that pretty much everyone who posts here breaks the law somewhere.

The charm of living here is that we decide which laws we want to break.

The complaints about the lack of law enforcement is just people complaining that someone else breaks different laws.

that, and some people just love to complain. there was a thread called "why are there so many haters in here" and quite a few members quite bluntly stated that not only do they like complaining in here but they have a right to do so and that we should just "move past". pretty hard to do when there's 7 or 8 pages of whining ????

[Orinoco]

Like most things here, Fake.

[actonion]

"Operators and  Authorities have a  casual  attitude towards compliance".? ... dont all Thai's have a casual  attitude towards  compliance ?, a casual attitude towards life itself 

 

1; Look at the state of this city,....2; look at the lack of road safety...3; the law, or lack of it, the list goes on,, so when  will they do something about compliance  .....if ever

[Orinoco]

39 minutes ago, Henryford said:

Like all Thai laws, they are not enforced unless the RTP need a payout.

That's just not true. they are on the case 24/7. 

 

 

[Geoffggi]

Anek said that while current fire-safety laws and regulations are adequate, their enforcement is not.

 

And there it is in a nutshell !!!!!

[Gottfrid]

My though would be, that the laws and regulations regarding safety, will not apply to an unlicensed guy that are bribing all from God to his mother to be able to continue his business.

[jacko45k]

1 hour ago, theoldgit said:

 

Oh really, it may not be a legal requirement, but, at least in my neck of the woods, more motorcyclists still seem to wear masks than don't, whilst, as you say, don't feel that a helmet is needed.  

Let them do as they wish.... not your business, not your worry, going off topic.

Edited August 13, 2022 by jacko45k

[Ralf001]

If the 12am closing times were adhered to these people would still be alive !

[kevc]

Just look at all the businesses and town houses with only one way in and out. If a fire starts near the entrance there's no way anyone will get out of that building.

[Joe Farang]

3 hours ago, Lemsta69 said:

that, and some people just love to complain. there was a thread called "why are there so many haters in here" and quite a few members quite bluntly stated that not only do they like complaining in here but they have a right to do so and that we should just "move past". pretty hard to do when there's 7 or 8 pages of whining ????

Stop Whining please.

[bradiston]

You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink. Or, to paraphrase Dorothy Parker "You can lead a cop to culture, but you can't make him think."

 

Law enforcement + pay off = catastrophe.

[thonglorjimmy]

4 hours ago, jacko45k said:

And safety precautions, hardly exist at all, in a place where flip flops are  regarded as protective footwear, and a baseball cap is a crash helmet!

 

2 hours ago, jacko45k said:

Let them do as they wish.... not your business, not your worry, going off topic.

 

[Emdog]

"A rule that is not enforced ceases to be a rule"

[bluemoon58]

Thailand has strong fire-safety laws, so why do deadly nightclub blazes keep happening?

 

Because they aren't enforced. Simples! 

[kingstonkid]

The problem is that government staff like most Thais are taught that the rules are for others.  You goto school the rule says that you have to pass tests but teachers let you go to save face and so no one knows they are not good teachers.

 

Junior gets older and stopped by the police for not having a licence for their motorcycle but give me 100 baht and I will forget it.

Junior then joins the RTP and pulls over a HISO for DUI.  He charges the HISO and takes them to jail.  Sergeant walks up and gives them 1000 and says that they did not see anything

Patrolman gets promoted and now is the one giving the 100 to a patrolman

or that person gets a job working in the local government

learns that they can make more money by giving Thai businesses options.

 

Solution charge all involved find them guilty and then leave the opening for civil litigation from all the families involved as well as the hospitals against not only the people involved but the families as they benefited from the bribes.

 

 

 

 

[Archie Baker]

4 hours ago, 2baht said:

so why do deadly nightclub blazes keep happening?

Because of an insatiable greed for money on the part of all involved in the control of such venues and licencing!

 

 

And insurance to cover any person setting foot in the building, then the owner would not need to offer a pitiful 25k for a dead person.  Not necessary or mandatory for running a business in Thailand.  

[2baht]

4 hours ago, Tropicalevo said:

everyone who posts here breaks the law somewhere.

Just curious, what laws do you break?

[papa al]

4 hours ago, theoldgit said:

 

And a Covid mask is considered necessary on a motorcycle, but not a helmet, or even baseball cap. 

no.

 

16 minutes ago, kingstonkid said:

 

Solution charge all involved find them guilty and then leave the opening for civil litigation from all the families involved as well as the hospitals against not only the people involved but the families as they benefited from the bribes.

 

Great plan; let's do that.

& free beer.!!

[law ling]

Laws can mostly be ignored here (because they are unenforced or a tip can he paid to turn a blind eye).

 

No culture of care for others seems to exist here (e.g. locked exits).

 

If the dirt hits the fan, then many seem to just lie to get away with it (the owner, his wife and manageress have all said the exits were not locked or blocked ... the band singer said they were).

 

Here's an idea: instantly sack ALL local police and ALL relevant regulatory government departments without benefits or pensions - that'll shake the country up.