FBI found more than 11,000 government records at Trump's Florida home

[Mac Mickmanus]

19 minutes ago, Sparktrader said:

Empty folders!

Pieces of cardboard

 

It seems they got nothing

Top secret, cannot talk about it .

So secret that it cannot be stated why its so secret, that's how secret it is 

[robblok]

1 minute ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Top secret, cannot talk about it .

So secret that it cannot be stated why its so secret, that's how secret it is 

Is it strange that people cannot put information about top secret files in the media. I think not if it was that easy then the documents were not important and Trump could have kept the files. 

 

Just wait and see and hope this sticks and he will be disqualified to be president. Then the US might finally move forward instead of backwards.

[ozimoron]

24 minutes ago, Sparktrader said:

Empty folders!

Pieces of cardboard

 

It seems they got nothing

It doesn't concern you what they may have contained and where those contents are now?

[Bkk Brian]

25 minutes ago, Sparktrader said:

Empty folders!

Pieces of cardboard

 

It seems they got nothing

Check the inventory of what they've got, its 7 pages long

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/09/02/politics/mar-a-lago-seized-documents-inventory/index.html

[candide]

27 minutes ago, Sparktrader said:

Empty folders!

Pieces of cardboard

 

It seems they got nothing

Where is it written that they only found empty folders?

[EVENKEEL]

My concern is that Top Secret papers were removed and there was no inventory system in place at the White House to keep track of them. The White House doesn't even know what's missing. 

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55 minutes ago, Sparktrader said:

Empty folders!

Pieces of cardboard

 

It seems they got nothing

If all they found were empty folders you might have a point. But it wasn't, was it?

[ozimoron]

1 minute ago, placeholder said:

If all they found were empty folders you might have a point. But it wasn't, was it?

Not even then until we find out what happened to the contents.

[Jingthing]

24 minutes ago, candide said:

Where is it written that they only found empty folders?

Maybe that's the latest MAGA insanely lamo line of defense?

 

 

[ozimoron]

1 minute ago, Jingthing said:

Maybe that's the latest MAGA insanely lamo line of defense?

You mean it gets worse than the overdue library book defense?

[Bkk Brian]

23 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

My concern is that Top Secret papers were removed and there was no inventory system in place at the White House to keep track of them. The White House doesn't even know what's missing. 

National Archives did warn Trump and the Whitehouse about this back in 2017

 

National Archives warned Trump White House to preserve documents

National Archives officials have periodically warned White House lawyers that the Trump administration needs to follow document preservation laws, according to people familiar with the conversations and emails reviewed by POLITICO.

The White House legally must preserve all presidential records, which are given to the National Archives after the president leaves office and are used for historical records. The documents that must be preserved include written memos, emails, speeches, record logs and more.

 

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/10/17/national-archives-trump-documents-preserve-243888

[Walker88]

There is no excuse other than 45 broke a host of laws and should be indicted, tried, and if found guilty given the maximum possible penalty, even if that is execution.

 

43 empty folders with TS/SCI and HCS markings. The guy goes to all the trouble to pack empty classified folders? No way. HCS refers to human clandestine sources, which is to say agency assets. It is probably not coincidental that many agency assets have been rolled up since 45 lost the election, including Chinese, russian and South Asian. Also, the folders were in his office, not even behind a padlock.

 

Of course his garish club isn't a SCIF, so it is against the law to store any classified documents there. It is highly unlikely 45 cleans his own office---he hires undocumented workers for that---and such char force people would be prime targets of foreign intel services. FSB or someone else would pay such a person $millions to rifle his desk, make copies or take images.

 

Also, did 45 make copies? He would be unlikely to do that work himself, too, so perhaps the FBI has an informant who was the one told to make copies.

 

I suspect the MaL raid will not be the last, as the DoJ and FBI---already aware 45 lied---will try to recover other files and search for the missing docs.

 

ANYBODY who held even 1% of the material 45 had would already be cuffed and behind bars. There is zero excuse for what he has done, and he has jeopardized US national security perhaps more than anyone since the Rosenbergs. The Doj has so far handled him with kid gloves, which is infinitely more than he deserves.

 

A former NSA analyst took home a handful of TS docs in order to catch up on his work from home. Since that is illegal, he was tried, convicted and given 9 years in jail. 45 should get at least that, if not also get what the Rosenbergs got.....Sparky at Sing Sing.

 

Yes, 'innocent until proven guilty', but the presence of those materials at MaL equates to guilt, so 45 is guilty. No doubt.

[Jingthing]

The irony is Mr. Trump advocated  the death penalty for the security violation crimes he has clearly commited. Yet his insurrectionist anti democracy cult remains loyal.

[chalawaan]

3 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Highly abusive and defamatory comment there against the most beautiful and classy first lady we ever had. Seeing such terrible false comments made against Melania makes me think this latest witch hunt against President Trump is falling apart at the seems causing such lashing out by the disappointed.

The Daily Mail is a RIGHT WING publication in the UK. Seems odd they would smear their kissin cousins in the US. 

I'm guessing she was on the game, but fortunately for her, before smart phones, so all that's left are rumours, and of course, the rich pricks she was entertaining aren't going to squeal and bring shame or worse on themselves.

Thus the Daily Fail only had strong rumours and no concrete proof. 

Sue me!????

[jvs]

8 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

So, arrest him then, but be prepared for the consequences of doing so.

Something like this?

 

[chalawaan]

43 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

The irony is Mr. Trump advocated  the death penalty for the security violation crimes he has clearly commited. Yet his insurrectionist anti democracy cult remains loyal.

This is what I don't get, as a horny young lefty, I was cool with Clinton and Monica, but I was not cool when he lied about it.

I wanted him impeached for lying, not <deleted>! 

Likewise, I don't see Hillary as an Angel either. I think she was the wrong pick to begin with to run against Trump!

So what is wrong with these people, that they can't turn away, after everything that's happened? The Cheetos own daughter (his favourite child) has said on the Congressional record that she doesn't believe the Election was stolen!

What's going on in their heads, that they put this corrupt ex POTUS before the nation they claim to be willing to die for? 

[ozimoron]

54 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

National Archives did warn Trump and the Whitehouse about this back in 2017

 

National Archives warned Trump White House to preserve documents

National Archives officials have periodically warned White House lawyers that the Trump administration needs to follow document preservation laws, according to people familiar with the conversations and emails reviewed by POLITICO.

The White House legally must preserve all presidential records, which are given to the National Archives after the president leaves office and are used for historical records. The documents that must be preserved include written memos, emails, speeches, record logs and more.

 

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/10/17/national-archives-trump-documents-preserve-243888

They must have had a heads up.

[ozimoron]

10 minutes ago, chalawaan said:

This is what I don't get, as a horny young lefty, I was cool with Clinton and Monica, but I was not cool when he lied about it.

I wanted him impeached for lying, not <deleted>! 

Likewise, I don't see Hillary as an Angel either. I think she was the wrong pick to begin with to run against Trump!

So what is wrong with these people, that they can't turn away, after everything that's happened? The Cheetos own daughter (his favourite child) has said on the Congressional record that she doesn't believe the Election was stolen!

What's going on in their heads, that they put this corrupt ex POTUS before the nation they claim to be willing to die for? 

7 (seven) years Starr took to investigate Clinton and found nothing on the original complaint and had to settle for forcing Clinton to lie about a personal affair in order to protect his marriage which had nothing to do with anybody but wowsers didn't agree.  If anybody thinks that was some kind of national security threat then they need to take a cold shower.

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5 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

7 (seven) years Starr took to investigate Clinton and found nothing on the original complaint and had to settle for forcing Clinton to lie about a personal affair in order to protect his marriage which had nothing to do with anybody but wowsers didn't agree.  If anybody thinks that was some kind of national security threat then they need to take a cold shower.

Absolutely Impeachment is about "high crimes and misdemeanors". Like pressuring the president of a foreign nation to go after your chief political opponent. Or fomenting an insurrection. Not lying about your sex life.

[LarrySR]

“On political corruption, we are going to restore honor to our government, '' Trump said in August 2016. "In my administration, I'm going to enforce all laws concerning the protection of classified information. No one will be above the law." 

"One of the first things we must do is to enforce all classification rules and to enforce all laws relating to the handling of classified information,"

 

Speaking in July of that year, Trump said Clinton's mishandling "disqualifies" her from public service. 

"Any government employee who engaged in this kind of behavior would be barred from handling classified information," Trump said. "Again, that alone disqualifies her."

[Bkk Brian]

1 hour ago, jvs said:

Something like this?

 

So sad that they choose to ignore the evidence discovered and instead resort to threatening acts of violence as their only defense. 

[ozimoron]

2 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

So sad that they choose to ignore the evidence discovered and instead resort to threatening acts of violence as their only defense. 

It's not a defense, it's an attack. Nothing less than a call to arms. The Republican politicians know they've blown the democratic vote.

[Chomper Higgot]

4 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

Pretty funny how all you all go on about Trump. So many posts sound like little old ladies gossiping especially about his wife.

He is the subject of the criminal investigation that this tread is discussing.

 

Or did you miss that?

 

 

[Walker88]

4 hours ago, Sparktrader said:

Empty folders!

Pieces of cardboard

 

It seems they got nothing

The 43 empty TS/SCI and HCS folders are only part of what they got.

 

The retrieved actual TS/SCI documents, which the bloated one had zero right to have. That in and of itself is a crime, and ANYONE else caught with that stuff would be cuffed, perpwalked and jailed, because the mere presence is proof of guilt.

 

Perhaps you think he is so dumb he packed empty classified doc folders to take back? Never are such folders lying around, neither empty or with docs inside, so packing them is purposeful, not inadvertent.

 

He also lied about returning everything, when in the search the FBI found docs in his office desk. That, too, is proof of guilt. A first year law student working as a prosecutor could get a conviction on that.

[Walker88]

6 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

 the most beautiful and classy first lady we ever had.

Funny what constitutes 'classy' in magaland. Could the bar be set any lower? Ma Barker had more class.

 

She did softcore porn, some of it lesbian. Classy for a FLOTUS?

 

On the way to ostensibly comfort people who suffered a disaster, she wore a jacket that said "I don't care, do you?"  Classy? How about tone deaf.

 

She is the farthest thing from classy.

[jvs]

1 hour ago, ozimoron said:

It's not a defense, it's an attack. Nothing less than a call to arms. The Republican politicians know they've blown the democratic vote.

I think it is more or less just an empty threat,how many of those over weight maga weekend warriors are actually capable and willing of waging war

against the government?

No amount of talking or providing evidence is going to change the mind of these so called patriots.

If you just watch some videos on Youtube by some of these people,the level of intelligence just makes me cringe.

 

[Walker88]

1 minute ago, jvs said:

I think it is more or less just an empty threat,how many of those over weight maga weekend warriors are actually capable and willing of waging war

against the government?

No amount of talking or providing evidence is going to change the mind of these so called patriots.

If you just watch some videos on Youtube by some of these people,the level of intelligence just makes me cringe.

 

If the magats riot, let me quote 45 himself and ask, "Can't we just shoot them in the legs?"

 

Frankly, they should have napalmed the insurrectionists and terrorists on 6 January.

 

Re their intellect, you won't find many of 45's cult to the right of the mean on the IQ Bell Curve.

[riclag]

4 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

My concern is that Top Secret papers were removed and there was no inventory system in place at the White House to keep track of them. The White House doesn't even know what's missing. 

 

Its been reported.The documents with govt markings were declassified according  to kash patel trumps former aid and now one of his reps to the national archives! 
“The bottom line was he said this information has to get out to the American public,” Mr. Patel said in an interview Wednesday. Mr. Patel said he didn’t know what was in the boxes the Federal Bureau of Investigation seized earlier this month but believed prosecutors would have a hard time proving that the documents weren’t covered by Mr. Trump’s declassification orders.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/ex-white-house-aide-kash-patel-presses-view-trump-broadly-declassified-documents-11661083201
As a president when he was president he can decide what is personal , not others, according to a 2012 ruling.

Heres a quote from a expert,  former law clerk to the SCOUS

“Even if Trump took classified records, that isn't a crime. The president has the inherent constitutional power to declassify any record he wants, in any manner he wants, regardless of any otherwise-pertinent statute or regulation that applies to everyone else. The president does not need to obtain Congress' or a bureaucrat's permission—or jump through their regulatory or statutory hoops—to declassify anything”. 
https://www.newsweek.com/garland-wray-must-impeached-unconscionable-trump-raid-opinion-1733523

 I see the lefts ridiculous narrative that he stole documents another in the long line of manufactured spins. 

[jvs]

11 minutes ago, riclag said:

 

Its been reported.The documents with govt markings were declassified according  to kash patel trumps former aid and now one of his reps to the national archives! 
“The bottom line was he said this information has to get out to the American public,” Mr. Patel said in an interview Wednesday. Mr. Patel said he didn’t know what was in the boxes the Federal Bureau of Investigation seized earlier this month but believed prosecutors would have a hard time proving that the documents weren’t covered by Mr. Trump’s declassification orders.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/ex-white-house-aide-kash-patel-presses-view-trump-broadly-declassified-documents-11661083201
As a president when he was president he can decide what is personal , not others! Heres a quote from a expert,  former law clerk to the SCOUS

“Even if Trump took classified records, that isn't a crime. The president has the inherent constitutional power to declassify any record he wants, in any manner he wants, regardless of any otherwise-pertinent statute or regulation that applies to everyone else. The president does not need to obtain Congress' or a bureaucrat's permission—or jump through their regulatory or statutory hoops—to declassify anything”. 
https://www.newsweek.com/garland-wray-must-impeached-unconscionable-trump-raid-opinion-1733523

 I see the lefts ridiculous narrative that he stole documents another in the long line of manufactured spins. 

maybe you should check the law on this,not what a Trump follower spouts.

[ozimoron]

23 minutes ago, riclag said:

 

Its been reported.The documents with govt markings were declassified according  to kash patel trumps former aid and now one of his reps to the national archives! 
“The bottom line was he said this information has to get out to the American public,” Mr. Patel said in an interview Wednesday. Mr. Patel said he didn’t know what was in the boxes the Federal Bureau of Investigation seized earlier this month but believed prosecutors would have a hard time proving that the documents weren’t covered by Mr. Trump’s declassification orders.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/ex-white-house-aide-kash-patel-presses-view-trump-broadly-declassified-documents-11661083201
As a president when he was president he can decide what is personal , not others, according to a 2012 ruling.

Heres a quote from a expert,  former law clerk to the SCOUS

“Even if Trump took classified records, that isn't a crime. The president has the inherent constitutional power to declassify any record he wants, in any manner he wants, regardless of any otherwise-pertinent statute or regulation that applies to everyone else. The president does not need to obtain Congress' or a bureaucrat's permission—or jump through their regulatory or statutory hoops—to declassify anything”. 
https://www.newsweek.com/garland-wray-must-impeached-unconscionable-trump-raid-opinion-1733523

 I see the lefts ridiculous narrative that he stole documents another in the long line of manufactured spins. 

Lets get this right. If he took a table napkin with ketchup on it that would be a crime.

 

I sincerely hope the Lordy tapes are in there, and the Zelensky tape but I fear they have been destroyed.