Proud Boys member is first to plead guilty to seditious conspiracy

[Scott]

 

 

Jeremy Bertino, a top lieutenant to Proud Boys leader Enrique Tarrio, pleaded guilty to seditious conspiracy in federal court on Thursday, and is cooperating with the Justice Department’s investigation into the far-right extremist group.

Bertino, 43, also pleaded guilty to unlawful possession of a firearm by a prohibited person. He is the first member of the Proud Boys to plead guilty to seditious conspiracy – a major boost to the historic prosecution of the organization.

He could spend more than five years in prison, according to his plea agreement, which was read aloud in court, though prosecutors could ask a judge for a lesser sentence depending on his level of cooperation with the investigation.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/10/06/politics/proud-boys-bertino-seditious-conspiracy-guilty-plea/index.html

[2baht]

Were they not there to support a fool that claimed the election was rigged and stolen? When will that fool be held to account???

[Chomper Higgot]

‘Sedition’

[KanchanaburiGuy]

5 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

‘Sedition’

No, not "Sedition."

 

Conspiracy.

 

In the term, "Seditious Conspiracy," the law being broken is a Conspiracy law. The "Seditious" in "Seditious Conspiracy" is merely an adjective that describes what kind of Conspiracy they were involved in.

 

"Seditious" is an adjective that describes a type. "Sedition" is a noun that describes a thing. In this case, "Seditious Conspiracy" describes a type of Conspiracy. 

 

He did not plead guilty to Sedition.

 

He pled guilty to Conspiracy.

 

So far, if I recall correctly, no one  has been accused of or charged with "SEDITION!" No One!

 

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(And considering that the Legislature itself once rescinded a "sedition" law because they realized was unconstitutional..........  [they conveniently "realized" it after they no longer needed it! Lol! ]............ and the Supreme Court threw out another "sedition " law because they declared it unconstitutional.......... there probably shouldn't be  "Sedition" Laws on the books! Not in a county with the kind of First Amendment the United States has!)

 

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On a side note...........

 

I and three friends were probably technically guilty of "Seditious Conspiracy" because we partook in a lively 2-hour discussion in a pub [in 2017] on the question of what it would take to pull off an "American Coup." 

 

Our conclusion was.........

 

Because America is so large and spread out..........and because the things that need to be "controlled" are so spread out and diversified [media, military, intelligence services, etc]............ you can't really "take over" these things. You have to either discredit  them, instead.......... [so they cant get public support as they try to push-back against your "Coup." The push-back would look merely petty or retaliatory!].......... or include an unusually large collection of "Respected Leaders" in the formation of your Government and Cabinet........... [like, say, many more Generals and Admirals than you'd normally see!] 

 

(I believe it's no small coincidence that these are EXACTLY the things Trump was doing in 2016/17, beginning well before he even got elected: "FAKE NEWS!" anyone? Regularly dumping on the FBI and CIA?)

 

By the definition of "Seditious Conspiracy".............. it wouldn't take any more than our little 2-hour "American Coup" pub talk.......... over beers and a big basket of onion rings!........... to make us guilty of "Seditious Conspiracy!!!"

 

I believe.......... The very concept of "Seditious Conspiracy" is contradictory to the Rights described in the First Amendment............ and the Principles expressed in the Declaration of Independence!

 

 

Edited October 7, 2022 by KanchanaburiGuy

[Chomper Higgot]

3 minutes ago, KanchanaburiGuy said:

No, not "Sedition."

 

Conspiracy.

 

In the term, "Seditious Conspiracy," the law being broken is a Conspiracy law. The "Seditious" in "Seditious Conspiracy" is merely an adjective that describes what kind of Conspiracy they were involved in.

 

"Seditious" is an adjective that describes a type. "Sedition" is a noun that describes a thing. In this case, "Seditious Conspiracy" describes a type of Conspiracy. 

 

He did not plead guilty to Sedition.

 

He pled guilty to Conspiracy.

 

So far, if I recall correctly, no one  has been accused of or charged with "SEDITION!" No One!

 

----------------

 

(And considering that the Legislature itself once rescinded a "sedition" law because they realized was unconstitutional..........  [they conveniently "realized" it after they no longer needed it! Lol! ]............ and the Supreme Court threw out another "sedition " law because they declared it unconstitutional.......... there probably shouldn't be  "Sedition" Laws on the books! Not in a county with the kind of First Amendment the United States has!)

 

------------

 

On a side note...........

 

I and three friends were probably technically guilty of "Seditious Conspiracy" because we partook in a lively 2-hour discussion in a pub [in 2017] on the question of what it would take to pull off an "American Coup." 

 

Our conclusion was.........

 

Because America is so large and spread out..........and because the things that need to be "controlled" are so spread out and diversified [media, military, intelligence services, etc]............ you can't really "take over" these things. You have to either discredit  them, instead.......... [so they cant get public support as they try to push-back against your "Coup"].......... or include an unusually large collection of "Respected Leaders" in the formation of your Government and Cabinet........... [like, say, many more Generals and Admirals than you'd normally see!] 

 

(I believe it's no small coincidence that these are EXACTLY the things Trump was doing in 2016/17, beginning well before he even got elected: "FAKE NEWS!" anyone? Regularly dumping on the FBI and CIA?)

 

By the definition of "Seditious Conspiracy".............. it wouldn't take any more than our little 2-hour "American Coup" pub talk.......... over beers and a big basket of onion rings!........... to make us guilty of "Seditious Conspiracy!!!"

 

I believe.......... The very concept of "Seditious Conspiracy" is contradictory to the Rights described in the First Amendment............ and the Principles expressed in the Declaration of Independence!

 

 

You are missing something.

 

Discussing a criminal act or even planning a criminal act is not illegal up and until any member in the discussion takes any action towards committing the crime.

 

At that moment the crime of conspiracy to commit crime comes into play.

 

I look forward to the court ruling.