Soi Dogs. Agressive Dogs Lurking On Shady Sois Of The Capital And Elsewhere

[sonnyJ]

This poll is purely hypothetical since straydogs are Thai's and their government's problem.

But it would be interesting to see the results from TV members.

Obviously there should be laws in effect such as dogs must always be held on a leash when on public areas, droppings must be collected immediately, and all pets such as dogs must be registered and carry a tag on the collar at all times. This would be not unreasonable would it? And could be made reality quite easily.

So please imagine these laws would be IN effect when voting on the poll.

Thank you.

An interesting fact: When about 20 1st year doctoral students of economics in Finland last year were asked should the horse & dog meat be made available in stores almost 80% answered yes.

[phazey]

Gerald (The Travelling Soi dog) pointed out to me there is no option:

Buy them food, soft porn and phone cards. [ ]

I personally don't mind a few mutts hanging around, in my area at least.

[Jimjim]

I never had a problem with them until there was a dog that began to be more aggressive to me by the day on my soi. I think it became that way as a construction project came up and the workers living there started to feed the dog every day so it became protective of anyone walking by that area. It tried to bite me one day, but ended up merely slobbering on my ankle. Then it cornered me one day and barked and growled at me for a couple of minutes before finally deciding to go away. I don't know why he picked on me so much.

But, besides that dog, I've never had a problem with them; they've all been quite docile on the streets. The only problem I had was my ex-girlfriend being deathly afraid of being near any stray dog since one had bitten her quite badly 10 years before in the Philippines.

[Gary A]

Where I live, we have a truck that comes around. We call it the bucket truck because if you give them a dog they give you a bucket for the dog. They take those unwanted dogs to Laos. I think they should expand their business to cover the cities as well as rural areas.

[cdnvic]

To me they range from friendly to indifferent. Never had a problem with one yet.

[JCCR6]

Personally I think this isn't a bad idea.....

The Atigaro Project is a capture-neuter-release scheme

http://www.thaiwave.com/atigaro/

[TAWP]

I have yet to be bitten, my wife has been slighty touched by two different dogs sofar and both have been owned but allowed to roam free outside the yard/house of the owner. So not your typical free-roaming street dogs.

Again, as mentioned before, people have no clue what responsibility means here.

[Scott]

Strays need to be rounded up and then euthenized. At a minimum, they need to be sterilized so they don't reproduce.

The difficulty with dogs is that they really can't survive without people. They are dependent on us and we need to control their numbers and make their lives as comfortable as reasonably possible.

[sonnyJ]

I have yet to be bitten, my wife has been slighty touched by two different dogs sofar and both have been owned but allowed to roam free outside the yard/house of the owner. So not your typical free-roaming street dogs.

Again, as mentioned before, people have no clue what responsibility means here.

I personally know of two separate cases where the dog has bitten the owner(Thai) quite severely.

EDIT: At home, not on the street.

Edited June 27, 2007 by sonnyJ

[t.s]

I have yet to be bitten, my wife has been slighty touched by two different dogs sofar and both have been owned but allowed to roam free outside the yard/house of the owner. So not your typical free-roaming street dogs.

Again, as mentioned before, people have no clue what responsibility means here.

I personally know of two separate cases where the dog has bitten the owner(Thai) quite severely.

my soi has none. never has.

[sonnyJ]

Strays need to be rounded up and then euthenized. At a minimum, they need to be sterilized so they don't reproduce.

The difficulty with dogs is that they really can't survive without people. They are dependent on us and we need to control their numbers and make their lives as comfortable as reasonably possible.

Sterilization I forgot from the options, would make sense.

Guess it will go with the kennel option as it requires relocation and more expensive than a bullet, wooden club or iron bar.

[bendix]

Never had a problem with them myself. There's one at the top of my soi and he's been there for years. Seems perfectly content to sit around, sleep and lick his gonads all day long. In that respect, he's both perfect company and virtually indistinguishable from the motobike taxi drivers who keep him company. Birds of a feather and all that.

The option you forgot to add to the survey was 'Donate to MTW.'

[Nienke]

Personally I think this isn't a bad idea.....

The Atigaro Project is a capture-neuter-release scheme

http://www.thaiwave.com/atigaro/

Couldn't agree more with JCCR6.

Many people love to complain about the soi dogs, but don't do more than that.

One thing that can be done in solving this problem is helping out the many dog rescue organisations that Thailand has with their spay/neutering programs. In that way the dog population won't increase.

It doesn't need much effort, just write out a check or go to the bank (when you are there already for some other business) and send them a (good) donation.

Here's a starting list of organistations, but I know there are many more:

Bangkok:

•Soi Dog Rescue http://www.soidogrescue.org/

Chiang Mai:

•Care for Dogs http://carefordogs.org/index2.php or PM Allyt

•Lanna Dog Rescue http://www.lannadog.net/

Hua Hin:

•Hua Hin Dog Rescue Center http://www.dogrescuecenter.org/ or PM November rain

Ko Payam http://www.animalpayam.org/

Ko Phangan: http://www.pacthailand.org/

Koh Samui:

•Elfe's Animal Crowd http://elfesworld.blogspot.com/ or http://www.elfesworld.com/index.php?id=64,0,0,1,0,0 or PM Elfe

*http://www.samuidog.org/

Pattaya:

•Tony's Dog Shelter http://www.tonydisco.com/html/dog_shelter.php

•Pattaya Animal Welfare Society PAWS President Ms. Alvi Sinthuvanik, Office Address 341/27 Soi Kasemsuwan, Pattaya City 20260. PAWS Vice President. Mrs. Mirin Mac Carthy, Email: <[email protected]> Fax: 038-231 675. PAWS Secretary Bob Davis, tel. 038-225-583 038-225 514 Ext. 224. PAWS Treasurer Dr. Nop Sukpanyatham, tel. 423410, fax 410311.

Phuket:

•Phuket Animal Welfare Society P.A.W.S. Office: 371/12 Yaowaraj Rd., Muang, Phuket 83000, Thailand, Tel: +66-76-355 408, Fax: +66-76-224 113, Email: [email protected]

[sonnyJ]

Personally I think this isn't a bad idea.....

The Atigaro Project is a capture-neuter-release scheme

http://www.thaiwave.com/atigaro/

Couldn't agree more with JCCR6.

Many people love to complain about the soi dogs, but don't do more than that.

One thing that can be done in solving this problem is helping out the many dog rescue organisations that Thailand has with their spay/neutering programs. In that way the dog population won't increase.

It doesn't need much effort, just write out a check or go to the bank (when you are there already for some other business) and send them a (good) donation.

Here's a starting list of organistations, but I know there are many more:

Bangkok:

•Soi Dog Rescue http://www.soidogrescue.org/

Chiang Mai:

•Care for Dogs http://carefordogs.org/index2.php or PM Allyt

•Lanna Dog Rescue http://www.lannadog.net/

Hua Hin:

•Hua Hin Dog Rescue Center http://www.dogrescuecenter.org/ or PM November rain

Ko Payam http://www.animalpayam.org/

Ko Phangan: http://www.pacthailand.org/

Koh Samui:

•Elfe's Animal Crowd http://elfesworld.blogspot.com/ or http://www.elfesworld.com/index.php?id=64,0,0,1,0,0 or PM Elfe

*http://www.samuidog.org/

Pattaya:

•Tony's Dog Shelter http://www.tonydisco.com/html/dog_shelter.php

•Pattaya Animal Welfare Society PAWS President Ms. Alvi Sinthuvanik, Office Address 341/27 Soi Kasemsuwan, Pattaya City 20260. PAWS Vice President. Mrs. Mirin Mac Carthy, Email: <[email protected]> Fax: 038-231 675. PAWS Secretary Bob Davis, tel. 038-225-583 038-225 514 Ext. 224. PAWS Treasurer Dr. Nop Sukpanyatham, tel. 423410, fax 410311.

Phuket:

•Phuket Animal Welfare Society P.A.W.S. Office: 371/12 Yaowaraj Rd., Muang, Phuket 83000, Thailand, Tel: +66-76-355 408, Fax: +66-76-224 113, Email: [email protected]

Do they commonly sterilize male or females or both? I would guess male sterilization would lover the amount of aggression while we are waiting them to get extinct by civilized manner. No blood or guts spilled.

Other option I forgot, how many have eaten dog meat, not bad taste at all actually.

I understand that it would be against the law to kill a dog at least in BKK. Anyway the ownership issue would rise up naturally.

[girlx]

i have sterilized all three of my dogs. cost 1 day and about 800 baht each. worth it for peace of mind.

[Jimjim]

Strays need to be rounded up and then euthenized. At a minimum, they need to be sterilized so they don't reproduce.

The difficulty with dogs is that they really can't survive without people. They are dependent on us and we need to control their numbers and make their lives as comfortable as reasonably possible.

Actually they are quite self sufficient on the streets of Bangkok.

[lingling]

Surely this question should be referred to the resident expert on such matters; MTW. Maybe her boyfriend can shoot anyone who bothers the dogs...?

[bino]

Nice to see that you considered Weho when creating the poll by offering a choice for "other" under the "Are you a" question!

[canuckamuck]

Stray dogs are their own worst enemy and it is completely unnecessary to have diseased mongrels roaming the streets making Thailand look like a refugee camp.

I love dogs, but I would only own one if I could provide safe, healthy conditions for it. I applaud the efforts of those who take them in and try to find them homes our give them medical care. But the real humane thing to do would be to eliminate all stray dogs, and then start a licensing and tagging/mirochip program for dogs that have owners. I saw a dog today with his head split open and you could clearly see his brains. He kept putting a paw on top of his head because it hurt. But he was walking around the street being ignored by people. This dog needs to be put down, but I guess there are no karma points in euthanasia so this dog will die a disgustingly painful death. A scene that repeats several times a day in LOS.

[Nienke]

Stray dogs are their own worst enemy and it is completely unnecessary to have diseased mongrels roaming the streets making Thailand look like a refugee camp.

I love dogs, but I would only own one if I could provide safe, healthy conditions for it. I applaud the efforts of those who take them in and try to find them homes our give them medical care. But the real humane thing to do would be to eliminate all stray dogs, and then start a licensing and tagging/mirochip program for dogs that have owners. I saw a dog today with his head split open and you could clearly see his brains. He kept putting a paw on top of his head because it hurt. But he was walking around the street being ignored by people. This dog needs to be put down, but I guess there are no karma points in euthanasia so this dog will die a disgustingly painful death. A scene that repeats several times a day in LOS.

And were you able to help this poor soul?

[Jet Gorgon]

Never had a problem with them myself. There's one at the top of my soi and he's been there for years. Seems perfectly content to sit around, sleep and lick his gonads all day long. In that respect, he's both perfect company and virtually indistinguishable from the motobike taxi drivers who keep him company. Birds of a feather and all that.

The option you forgot to add to the survey was 'Donate to MTW.'

Yes, quite right, Bendix.

Never had probs with soi dogs. Just learn how to say "pai/bai" in a Pavarotti voice and they take off. Or give them your bag of takeaway. Always worked for me. And I ain't voting -- what are these gender differentials about? Wanklette.

PO, Canuckamuck. Stray dogs are like homeless people. Wanna kill them all? Go do a meditation retreat.

Edited June 27, 2007 by Jet Gorgon

[canuckamuck]

I knew this would come up, and truly I have no idea what I could do for this poor dog. I don't know of any shelters, and the dog was not small and most definitely I would be at risk trying to catch him. If I was in the west, it would take one phone call, but what could I do here? I live in Sriracha. When I lived on a farm I put many animals down that were suffering. I believe here I would get arrested or maybe beat up by the dog's unsympathetic owner. And what would I use, a metal pipe?

[phazey]

Gerald (The Traveling Soi Dog) is apallled by the number of votes to shoot/cook or harm his beloved brethren. Gerald (The Traveling Soi Dog) has spoken to his evil twin brother Norman (pictured below) to sort you out.

He knows who you are and he knows where you live.

And he's on his way.

Edited June 27, 2007 by phazey

[qwertz]

Nice old car, Phazey, looks like a Morris Minor.

BTW, Gerald, I love dogs, honestly.

Footnote: pariahs and curs have been with us ever since man took to using dogs.

We're responsible for them being dumped, it's time to step up and do something about them.

[Jet Gorgon]

One thing I love about Thailand is "mai pen rai". Now all these farang come here with their f* pen rai attitudes. You want western standards, you know where to go.

[Nienke]

I knew this would come up, and truly I have no idea what I could do for this poor dog. I don't know of any shelters, and the dog was not small and most definitely I would be at risk trying to catch him. If I was in the west, it would take one phone call, but what could I do here? I live in Sriracha. When I lived on a farm I put many animals down that were suffering. I believe here I would get arrested or maybe beat up by the dog's unsympathetic owner. And what would I use, a metal pipe?

I don't want to make this personal. But your remarks are typical for many. There are many if's and much fear for if's.

If one tries to catch a dog with such a wound on his head, most Thai and farang will think that's a very good deed. It might even very well be that people will help you with catching the dog.

Three things you can do is:

1. Find a nearby vet, explain the situation and buy some sedative and sausages. Put the sedative in the pieces of sausage. Then go to the dog and give it to him. Once sedated, tie his mouth, load him in the car and bring him to the vet that sold you the sedative.

2. Contact Soi Dog Rescue, Pattaya Dog Rescue or November Rain. They may be able to help you further. I am in CM, bit far.

3. If the dog is approachable, bribe him with sausages. Then make a loop in a rope or use a dog lead, tie it around his neck, load him in the car (you still can tie his mouth if you are insecure that he might bite when you are driving, although I highly doubt that) and bring him to a nearby vet.

Oh and actually a fourth point:

after he recovered, keep the dog as your pet. You will have most probably a very faithfull 4-legged friend after the help you've given him.

Yes, and it will cost you some vet bill. But on the other hand, it will give you an uttermost good feeling that you did something good today!

Nienke

[kmart]

It ain't the dog's fault that its been abandoned. I've seen people chuck them out of cars near the beach where I live, the poor things try and run back to the car, or run around in circles in a panic trying to locate their b@stard owners. That's how they end up strays in the first place. Just irresponsible / ignorant owners. They get them as cute puppies, and possessing the attention spans of autistic goldfish; just chuck them out when they start growing and need training / vaccinations / vet care, etc.

I've adopted a couple of strays in the past that have been excellent house / guard dogs. If you train them right and instill a bit of discipline they are useful members of the family. In this regard, I hold dogs in higher esteem than a lot of people...

[sonnyJ]

One thing I love about Thailand is "mai pen rai". Now all these farang come here with their f* pen rai attitudes. You want western standards, you know where to go.

How original of you Jet.

Well I have all rights and a good reason to live here.

You like status-quo, yea?

What are your views on politics here?

Have you ever heard that things can Develope, billion mai pen rais won't achive that.

[canuckamuck]

Nienke, I appreciate your concern and the advice. I have considered it, and I don’t think it will work. You make catching the dog sound real EZ, but I have been around animals much of my life, and even pets get vicious when they are injured and vulnerable. I would put this dog at about 30 Kg. No way am I going to attempt a capture it by myself. Sedatives in sausages are a good idea in a controlled situation but there are about 5 dogs in that group. How do I tell them which one gets to eat? What’s the dosage? Those kinds of sedatives are controlled substances, are you sure a vet will just hand them over? This dog has an injury that a human in a hospital would have trouble surviving. What kind of surgery bills do you think I can afford for a dying soi dog? If my wife found out, I’d be the one getting surgery.

This is a tragedy for sure, and I guess now I am a real bad guy because I don’t have an answer that doesn’t end in death, but this shouldn’t be happening at all. People seem to admire these soi dogs, they think they are part of the charm of Thailand but it’s wrong. Stray dogs have crappy lives and die prematurely from violence or disease. Allowing strays is the same as abusing dogs, and it goes on indefinitely. It is of course an education issue, I would think Buddhists would be quite sensitive to animal suffering, but they appear to have no opinion at all.

If you want me to be the goat in this situation, fine with me.

[sonnyJ]

And I ain't voting -- what are these gender differentials about? Wanklette.

People can decide if they want to vote or not, but you won't get the results that way.

Gender is part of the questionare, just for the statistics. Don't be afraid. If you are interested studying some statistics I could recommend some books.

What's a wanklette?