A wave of Strike Action hits across the UK

[DJ54]

At least y’all didn’t have tRUMP

[Mac Mickmanus]

34 minutes ago, DJ54 said:

At least y’all didn’t have tRUMP

Jeezz, do give it a rest about Trump .

USA politics/Trump as nothing to do with this 

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4 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

They have medics on call these days who drive around visiting patients  on the day you call them, much more convenient that going to a G.P

Only if they determine that you are too ill or too infirm to make it to the G.P.

[Mac Mickmanus]

10 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Only if they determine that you are too ill or too infirm to make it to the G.P.

You yourself decide whether you are ill enough to visit a G.P and whether you need assistant immediately or whether you can wait to  visit the G.P in two weeks  or if you are able , you can visit a hospital for daily aliments . 

[Slip]

5 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

They have medics on call these days who drive around visiting patients  on the day you call them, much more convenient that going to a G.P

Are they provided by the NHS?

[Mac Mickmanus]

1 minute ago, Slip said:

Are they provided by the NHS?

Yes, had two visit my house this week , my friend (who called them)  had a stomach ache .

[Mac Mickmanus]

8 minutes ago, Slip said:

Are they provided by the NHS?

Here you go, you dial 111 (and not 999 ) and get immediate attention and they send out medics in an ambulance if necessary .

   People who go on about two week G.P waiting times are not giving the full picture and they try to portray it as sick people waiting two weeks to see a G.P , which isn't the case at all 

 

 

 

 

"So basically you call 111 if you need medical help that cannot wait for a GP appointment, but isn’t serious enough for an ambulance. This is the team to call for reassurance and guidance on whether you need to go to A&E or not.

You will speak to a highly trained adviser, supported by healthcare professionals. They will ask you a number of questions about your symptoms and concerns, and then advise you on the best course of action for you. This is a free service from landlines and mobiles and is available 24 hours a day, 365 days a year. This is the best number to call when you are unsure who to call, as they will point you in the right direction and give you peace of mind.

 

 

https://www.immediatecaremedical.co.uk/gonna-call-999-111-112-101-2/

[Dave0206]

5 hours ago, Red Forever said:

Jeez guy will you get a grip.

The current Tory government is up to it's neck in sleaze (£36 billion given to Tory donors in PPE scandal, failed austerity measures) which resulted in misery for those on the breadline and you manage to weave into this Tory disaster your opinion that Labour had a hand in it!

Straight out of the Trump/Johnson playbook.

[Dave0206]

Just now, Dave0206 said:

She is a true tory never let an opportunity making a buck off the state and she is in the house of Lords where the common voter has no say on these parasites unelected to a position for life

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9 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Here you go, you dial 111 (and not 999 ) and get immediate attention and they send out medics in an ambulance if necessary .

   People who go on about two week G.P waiting times are not giving the full picture and they try to portray it as sick people waiting two weeks to see a G.P , which isn't the case at all 

 

 

 

 

"So basically you call 111 if you need medical help that cannot wait for a GP appointment, but isn’t serious enough for an ambulance. This is the team to call for reassurance and guidance on whether you need to go to A&E or not.

You will speak to a highly trained adviser, supported by healthcare professionals. They will ask you a number of questions about your symptoms and concerns, and then advise you on the best course of action for you. This is a free service from landlines and mobiles and is available 24 hours a day, 365 days a year. This is the best number to call when you are unsure who to call, as they will point you in the right direction and give you peace of mind.

 

 

https://www.immediatecaremedical.co.uk/gonna-call-999-111-112-101-2/

 

10 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Here you go, you dial 111 (and not 999 ) and get immediate attention and they send out medics in an ambulance if necessary .

   People who go on about two week G.P waiting times are not giving the full picture and they try to portray it as sick people waiting two weeks to see a G.P , which isn't the case at all 

 

 

 

 

"So basically you call 111 if you need medical help that cannot wait for a GP appointment, but isn’t serious enough for an ambulance. This is the team to call for reassurance and guidance on whether you need to go to A&E or not.

You will speak to a highly trained adviser, supported by healthcare professionals. They will ask you a number of questions about your symptoms and concerns, and then advise you on the best course of action for you. This is a free service from landlines and mobiles and is available 24 hours a day, 365 days a year. This is the best number to call when you are unsure who to call, as they will point you in the right direction and give you peace of mind.

 

 

https://www.immediatecaremedical.co.uk/gonna-call-999-111-112-101-2/

This paragraph you cited does not say what you think it says. There is no guarantee of a home visit at all.  "They will ask you a number of questions about your symptoms and concerns, and then advise you on the best course of action for you." Obviously, this service functions as a filter to direct people to the proper service. Nothing at all that suggest guaranteed home visits on request.

 

I did a bit of looking around and I think this explanation from one GP's practice sums it up quite nicely:

"You may only request a home visit if you are housebound or are too ill to visit the practice. Your GP will only visit you at home if they think that your medical condition requires it and will also decide how urgently a visit is needed.

A doctor can see several patients in the time it takes to perform a home visit on one patient."

https://www.kapurfamilycare.nhs.uk/practice-information/home-visits/

 

And, of course, the economic impact of such a program would be unsustainable if anyone who wanted to see a doctor or other health care worker at home regardless of their condition was able to.

 

[kickstart]

And now we will have The Royal College of Nursing coming out on strike,  two 12 hour strikes the 15-20 of December ,for the first time ever,main reason ,pay and unsafe staffing levels.

With their industry running a shortfall of 50 000 nurses. and getting worse,do you blame them.

Winter of our discontent on its way. 

[kickstart]

21 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Here you go, you dial 111 (and not 999 ) and get immediate attention and they send out medics in an ambulance if necessary .

   People who go on about two week G.P waiting times are not giving the full picture and they try to portray it as sick people waiting two weeks to see a G.P , which isn't the case at all 

 

 

 

 

"So basically you call 111 if you need medical help that cannot wait for a GP appointment, but isn’t serious enough for an ambulance. This is the team to call for reassurance and guidance on whether you need to go to A&E or not.

You will speak to a highly trained adviser, supported by healthcare professionals. They will ask you a number of questions about your symptoms and concerns, and then advise you on the best course of action for you. This is a free service from landlines and mobiles and is available 24 hours a day, 365 days a year. This is the best number to call when you are unsure who to call, as they will point you in the right direction and give you peace of mind.

 

 

https://www.immediatecaremedical.co.uk/gonna-call-999-111-112-101-2/

Um,is this just another version of the NHS Direct ,where you would ring up, and they would ask your systems ,and give you advice etc, that was/is still, around 15 ?years ago,and it worked to.

[Mac Mickmanus]

7 minutes ago, placeholder said:

 

This paragraph you cited does not say what you think it says. There is no guarantee of a home visit at all.  "They will ask you a number of questions about your symptoms and concerns, and then advise you on the best course of action for you." Obviously, this service functions as a filter to direct people to the proper service. Nothing at all that suggest guaranteed home visits on request.

 

I did a bit of looking around and I think this explanation from one GP's practice sums it up quite nicely:

"You may only request a home visit if you are housebound or are too ill to visit the practice. Your GP will only visit you at home if they think that your medical condition requires it and will also decide how urgently a visit is needed.

A doctor can see several patients in the time it takes to perform a home visit on one patient."

https://www.kapurfamilycare.nhs.uk/practice-information/home-visits/

 

And, of course, the economic impact of such a program would be unsustainable if anyone who wanted to see a doctor or other health care worker at home regardless of their condition was able to.

 

You are talking about two different thing there .

I am talking about a visit from the 111 mobile medics .

You are talking about a visit from your G.P Doctor

A doctor and a medic are two different people/things 

Medics are not Doctors and your G.P isn't a medic .

You shouldn't use your G.P in a home visit unless in an extreme emergency , that "rule" doesn't apply to mobile medics 

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2 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

You are talking about two different thing there .

I am talking about a visit from the 111 mobile medics .

You are talking about a visit from your G.P Doctor

A doctor and a medic are two different people/things 

Medics are not Doctors and your G.P isn't a medic .

You shouldn't use your G.P in a home visit unless in an extreme emergency , that "rule" doesn't apply to mobile medics 

Really?

 

Use NHS 111 online (111.nhs.uk) or call 111 if you think you need medical help right now.

We can direct you to the best place to get help if you cannot contact your GP during the day, or when your GP is closed (out-of-hours). 

Depending on what you need, you might be advised to:

• call 999 or go to A&E in an emergency
• go to an urgent treatment centre
• see an evening and weekend GP (out-of-hours GP)
• get a callback from a nurse
• contact an emergency dentist or find a dentist
• contact your own GP surgery
• see a pharmacist for a minor illness or to get medicine
• look after yourself safely at home

https://www.nhs.uk/nhs-services/urgent-and-emergency-care-services/when-to-use-111/

 

And of course, this service can't provide diagnostic testing.

[Mac Mickmanus]

11 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Really?

 

Use NHS 111 online (111.nhs.uk) or call 111 if you think you need medical help right now.

We can direct you to the best place to get help if you cannot contact your GP during the day, or when your GP is closed (out-of-hours). 

Depending on what you need, you might be advised to:

• call 999 or go to A&E in an emergency
• go to an urgent treatment centre
• see an evening and weekend GP (out-of-hours GP)
• get a callback from a nurse
• contact an emergency dentist or find a dentist
• contact your own GP surgery
• see a pharmacist for a minor illness or to get medicine
• look after yourself safely at home

https://www.nhs.uk/nhs-services/urgent-and-emergency-care-services/when-to-use-111/

 

And of course, this service can't provide diagnostic testing.

Yes, there are numerous options these days .

The days of calling you G.P from a landline or (going to  hospital for an emergency) and making an appointment in a few days are from a bygone era .

  If you need urgent medical assistance , contact 111 , if its not urgent then go and visit your G.P whenever you can 

 

 

 

 

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5 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Yes, there are numerous options these days .

The days of calling you G.P from a landline or (going to  hospital for an emergency) and making an appointment in a few days are from a bygone era .

  If you need urgent medical assistance , contact 111 , if its not urgent then go and visit your G.P whenever you can 

 

 

 

 

So now you're not claiming that calling 111 guarantees you a visit from a healthcare worker? Because it certainly doesn't. Such a conclusion is warranted just by common sense. The unqualified service you previously claimed existed would be unaffordable on a nationwide scale and not very useful.

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[Mac Mickmanus]

13 minutes ago, placeholder said:

So now you're not claiming that calling 111 guarantees you a visit from a healthcare worker? Because it certainly doesn't. Such a conclusion is warranted just by common sense. The unqualified service you previously claimed existed would be unaffordable on a nationwide scale and not very useful.

Well no, if you phone 111 and tell them you cut yourself whilst shaving , I doubt they would go and visit you .

   If you are ill and you need immediate medial assistance and you are unable to visit a hospital , they will come and visit you at your house .

   If you have an ailment , like a stiff neck , that doesn't need immediate treatment, its then you go to visit your G.P

   I have no idea about the cost effectiveness of it all and the mobile medics are qualified medics equipped with an ambulance full of equipment .

   G.P's are unnecessary these days and it seems they are being phased out

[Bluespunk]

10 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

If you have an ailment , like a stiff neck , that doesn't need immediate treatment, its then you go to visit your G.P

 

10 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

G.P's are unnecessary these days

You are contradicting yourself in the same post. 

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27 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Well no, if you phone 111 and tell them you cut yourself whilst shaving , I doubt they would go and visit you .

   If you are ill and you need immediate medial assistance and you are unable to visit a hospital , they will come and visit you at your house .

   If you have an ailment , like a stiff neck , that doesn't need immediate treatment, its then you go to visit your G.P

   I have no idea about the cost effectiveness of it all and the mobile medics are qualified medics equipped with an ambulance full of equipment .

   G.P's are unnecessary these days and it seems they are being phased out

That really doesn't square with what you've claimed before viz..

"G.P's are a thing of the past these days , you either go directly to a hospital or you call the medics and they come and visit you at home or you go to a walk-in medical centre .

   You get seen immediately , rather than having to wait a few days for a doctors appointment . G.Ps and doctors appointments are old fashioned these days and from a bygone era"

 

"They have medics on call these days who drive around visiting patients  on the day you call them, much more convenient that going to a G.P"

 

"You yourself decide whether you are ill enough to visit a G.P and whether you need assistant immediately or whether you can wait to  visit the G.P in two weeks  or if you are able , you can visit a hospital for daily aliments ."

 

 

[Mac Mickmanus]

2 minutes ago, placeholder said:

That really doesn't square with what you've claimed before viz..

"G.P's are a thing of the past these days , you either go directly to a hospital or you call the medics and they come and visit you at home or you go to a walk-in medical centre .

   You get seen immediately , rather than having to wait a few days for a doctors appointment . G.Ps and doctors appointments are old fashioned these days and from a bygone era"

 

"They have medics on call these days who drive around visiting patients  on the day you call them, much more convenient that going to a G.P"

 

"You yourself decide whether you are ill enough to visit a G.P and whether you need assistant immediately or whether you can wait to  visit the G.P in two weeks  or if you are able , you can visit a hospital for daily aliments ."

 

 

Try explaining what you mean , you have just reposted three of my posts , do you expect me to re-read my reposted posts and reply to myself ?

[Slip]

1 minute ago, placeholder said:

That really doesn't square with what you've claimed before viz..

"G.P's are a thing of the past these days , you either go directly to a hospital or you call the medics and they come and visit you at home or you go to a walk-in medical centre .

   You get seen immediately , rather than having to wait a few days for a doctors appointment . G.Ps and doctors appointments are old fashioned these days and from a bygone era"

 

"They have medics on call these days who drive around visiting patients  on the day you call them, much more convenient that going to a G.P"

 

"You yourself decide whether you are ill enough to visit a G.P and whether you need assistant immediately or whether you can wait to  visit the G.P in two weeks  or if you are able , you can visit a hospital for daily aliments ."

 

 

I'm disappointed but certainly not surprised to find that a post I originally thought useful and informative to be disingenuous. Thanks for spelling it out.  

[Mac Mickmanus]

8 minutes ago, Slip said:

I'm disappointed but certainly not surprised to find that a post I originally thought useful and informative to be disingenuous. Thanks for spelling it out.  

Could you explain why you consider it to be "disingenuous"?

[Mac Mickmanus]

1 hour ago, Slip said:

I'm disappointed but certainly not surprised to find that a post I originally thought useful and informative to be disingenuous. Thanks for spelling it out.  

20 years ago the waiting time to see a G.P was important, because back then you only had the G.P or a emergency hospital visit .

   These days there are other options and there's no need to even visit a G.P , so waiting times to visit a G.P are not important anymore .

   You can either go straight to a hospital for non emergency treatment or call a medic to visit you .

   It is a much better system these days and there's no need to even make an appointment with anyone, let along waiting two weeks to see a G.P (unless you have something like minor muscle strain or something )

[thaibeachlovers]

10 hours ago, Red Forever said:

Jeez guy will you get a grip.

The current Tory government is up to it's neck in sleaze (£36 billion given to Tory donors in PPE scandal, failed austerity measures) which resulted in misery for those on the breadline and you manage to weave into this Tory disaster your opinion that Labour had a hand in it!

Straight out of the Trump/Johnson playbook.

You don't tell me what to do.

On ignore.

[thaibeachlovers]

5 hours ago, kickstart said:

And now we will have The Royal College of Nursing coming out on strike,  two 12 hour strikes the 15-20 of December ,for the first time ever,main reason ,pay and unsafe staffing levels.

With their industry running a shortfall of 50 000 nurses. and getting worse,do you blame them.

Winter of our discontent on its way. 

Takes a lot to get nurses to strike. They have been underpaid for decades because female dominated workforce and wouldn't strike.

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3 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

20 years ago the waiting time to see a G.P was important, because back then you only had the G.P or a emergency hospital visit .

   These days there are other options and there's no need to even visit a G.P , so waiting times to visit a G.P are not important anymore .

   You can either go straight to a hospital for non emergency treatment or call a medic to visit you .

   It is a much better system these days and there's no need to even make an appointment with anyone, let along waiting two weeks to see a G.P (unless you have something like minor muscle strain or something )

I reposted what you wrote because it looks like you didn't even read even once.. Your posts repeatedly claim that medics are at one's beck and call for home visits. That's clearly very far from being the case. 

 

 

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3 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

 

   You can either go straight to a hospital for non emergency treatment or call a medic to visit you .

 

Still peddling that nonsense? You can call them to visit you, but what you fail to note is that they can refuse to come. As the 111 website makes very clear.

[Mac Mickmanus]

4 minutes ago, placeholder said:

I reposted what you wrote because it looks like you didn't even read even once.. Your posts repeatedly claim that medics are at one's beck and call for home visits. That's clearly very far from being the case. 

 

 

I am talking about if you require medical treatment .

Of course they are not like a taxi and they will not  come when you call them if its unnecessary . although they will come if you require their assistance 

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5 hours ago, Slip said:

I'm disappointed but certainly not surprised to find that a post I originally thought useful and informative to be disingenuous. Thanks for spelling it out.  

Well, it just seemed to me so unlikely that all you had to do was call and a medic would show up at your place. Such a costly service would make no sense. From what I've read, they only show up if you're very infirm and housebound or your symptoms might require even more costly emergency medical service. The NHS does try to steer patients away from utilizing emergency services when that's not necessary.

[Scott]

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