Dan747 Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 The USA has been looking for remote forward bases to deploy-Reopen U-Tapao and let the USA use it for the purchase of two F-35's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liverpool Lou Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 On 1/1/2023 at 5:03 PM, mfd101 said: even if RTAF pilots could qualify to fly them Why would RTAF fighter pilots not be able to fly an F-35 with the appropriate training that no F-35 pilot goes without? The air force already operates many fighter aircraft from the US and Europe. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liverpool Lou Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 On 1/1/2023 at 7:06 PM, ThailandRyan said: Will someone just pinch these simpleton and wake them up from this dream they are having. You think that the RTAF doesn't already have US fighter air craft, why should they not get these? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liverpool Lou Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 13 hours ago, futsukayoi said: The hordes of Russian tourists here make it clear which side Thailnd is allied with over the Ukraine You do know that there are Ukrainians here also, yes, and that Thailand isn't bringing any of the Russians here, they're all here voluntarily, same as Ukrainian visitors? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liverpool Lou Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 12 hours ago, ozfarang said: So there is no need for Thailand to purchase 2 aircraft if they will only used for training and exercises with other allies. Very expensive way of running a small air force Something that shouldn't be concerning you unless you're involved in the RTAF budgeting programme. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liverpool Lou Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 11 hours ago, ozfarang said: Yes, but will the US sell the sophisticated control software that will be used in US F-35's or much degraded system for Thailand Obviously, if the purchase goes ahead, the aircraft will be supplied with whatever systems are necessary for them to operate. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liverpool Lou Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 11 hours ago, ozfarang said: With these eight countries as program partners for the F-35, the US, the United Kingdom, Italy, the Netherlands, Australia, Norway, Denmark and Canada. Countries who operate or have ordered the F35 Australia,Belgium,Canada, Czech Republic, Denmark, Finland,Germany, Greece, Israel, Italy, Japan, Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Republic of Korea, Switzerland, United Kingdom and the United States. Thailands chance being on the list in the future is questionable, if not highly unlikely. Why? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozfarang Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 5 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said: Something that shouldn't be concerning you unless you're involved in the RTAF budgeting programme. It doesn't LL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozfarang Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 3 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said: Obviously, if the purchase goes ahead, the aircraft will be supplied with whatever systems are necessary for them to operate. Of course LL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozfarang Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 2 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said: Why? Cost LL 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liverpool Lou Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 8 hours ago, billd766 said: F35 and no updated weapons or avionics? No advanced missile systems or weapons of any kind. Really? You know the terms of the proposed contract? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozfarang Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 Thanks LL for responding to all my posts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozfarang Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 (edited) 1 minute ago, Liverpool Lou said: Really? You know the terms of the proposed contract? Do you LL? Edited January 2, 2023 by ozfarang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Liverpool Lou Posted January 2, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted January 2, 2023 (edited) 8 hours ago, Phoenix Rising said: You seem to be the only supporter (on this forum) of this planned purchase He's not. Even if he was, being in the minority here is not a bad place to be. Edited January 2, 2023 by Liverpool Lou 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liverpool Lou Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 8 hours ago, Phoenix Rising said: Again, what would have been the 'sound reasoning' for acquiring that aircraft carrier? No one has said that there was sound reasoning behind that (irrelevant to this F-35 thread) acquisition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liverpool Lou Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 8 hours ago, billd766 said: Just supplying the aircraft is easy. However the training of extra air crews is lengthy and expensive let alone training the ground crews and providing spares, tools and backup is also lengthy and expensive. That'd be all part of any sale package...obviously. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liverpool Lou Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 7 hours ago, sqwakvfr said: Just one more thing to consider is the helmet for the F-35 is over $200,000. What the heck. Shoot for the moon and request to purchase the B-21 Raider as well. I believe this aircraft will cost over $100,000 per hour to operate. Apparently not... F-35 Joint Strike Fighter: $41,986/hourhttps://www.popularmechanics.com/military/aviation/a41956551/cost-per-hour-to-fly-us-military-aircraft/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liverpool Lou Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 26 minutes ago, ozfarang said: 32 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said: Something that shouldn't be concerning you unless you're involved in the RTAF budgeting programme. It doesn't LL I know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 1 hour ago, Nsp64 said: Because their health system works, education is good, poverty minimal, social welfare high. In other words, their house is in order, so they can buy planes because they've fulfilled their primary obligations to the electorate. Completely the opposite to Thailand. Your argument was that Thailand wasn't facing a realistic threat. That situation applies to most other countries as well. You're just deflecting here. You can't make that argument as a criticism for Thailand wanting those planes and dismiss it for other countries because they apparently have money to waste in your opinion. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liverpool Lou Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 26 minutes ago, ozfarang said: 29 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said: Why? Cost If the cost was a prohibitive obstacle they, obviously, wouldn't be going ahead with the proposal. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liverpool Lou Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 26 minutes ago, ozfarang said: Thanks LL for responding to all my posts I'm glad that I'm being appreciated. Consider yourself honoured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liverpool Lou Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 27 minutes ago, ozfarang said: 28 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said: Really? You know the terms of the proposed contract? Do you LL? No, but then I wasn't suggesting that I knew what would be supplied to the RTAF as the poster to whom I responded suggested did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billd766 Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 30 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said: Really? You know the terms of the proposed contract? Don't you? It was published a while ago in the Thai newspapers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post herfiehandbag Posted January 2, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted January 2, 2023 13 hours ago, ozimoron said: Submarines are not intended to operate in the Gulf. You might have considered the Andaman sea. Most western allied countries military purchases are intended to interoperate with each other and the US. The 35 is no different. They will not buy many and would be used more for training and exercises than intended for combat. Yet the submarine base, headquarters and training centre is at the very top of the Gulf of Thailand.To reach the Andaman sea they would have to pass down the coast of Malaysia, round Singapore and through the Malacca Straits. Areas in which submarine activities are heavily monitored. Now I'm no naval expert (simple infantryman me) but that seems a bit silly. Similarly spending an awful lot of money on two very advanced jet fighters, with no weapon systems fitted, for training and exercises when they are not capable of combat or meaningful training ( no weapons) seems a bit silly. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billd766 Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 (edited) 42 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said: That'd be all part of any sale package...obviously. Not necessarily. It depends on what you are buying and that will be laid out in the contract between the Thai government and Lockheed-Martin. Thailand wants to buy two F35s. Training aircrew, groundcrew and support equipment will come under separate contracts. There are NO 2 seat trainer F35s, so long before any Thai pilot goes solo there Aircrew training will probably be done under contract to the US Air Force. The groundcrew training may be done the same way or perhaps by a different company. There is no your word, obviously, about it at all. Nothing is free nowadays. https://www.lockheedmartin.com/en-us/products/f-35-lightning-ii-training-systems.html Edited January 2, 2023 by billd766 corrected some bad spelling 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 3 minutes ago, billd766 said: Not necessarily. It depends on what you are buying and that will be laid out in the contract between the Thai government and Lockheed-Martin. Thailand wants to buy two F35s. Training aircrew, groundcrew and support equipment will come under separate contracts. There are NO 2 seat trainer F35s, so long before any Thai pilot goes solo there Aircrew training will probably be done under contract to the US Air Force. The groundcrew training may be done the same way or perhaps by a different company. There is no your word, obviously, about it at all. Nothing is free nowadays. https://www.lockheedmartin.com/en-us/products/f-35-lightning-ii-training-systems.html They have flight training simulators so it won't take Thai airmen any longer to train than a US airman. Why does there necessarily need to be an additional contract for ground crew and support? I would expect those to be trained in the US as well, maybe even in Singapore. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harsh Jones Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 15 hours ago, ozimoron said: We'll have to agree to disagree. The F35 is the most advanced aircraft in the world currently. Buying anything else would be buying obsolescence. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sqwakvfr Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 6 hours ago, Liverpool Lou said: Apparently not... F-35 Joint Strike Fighter: $41,986/hourhttps://www.popularmechanics.com/military/aviation/a41956551/cost-per-hour-to-fly-us-military-aircraft/ The B-21 is the US Air Force newest Stealth Bomber set to replace the B-2 Spirit. Just about everyone knows the per hour cost to operate the F-35. The acquisition cost for the advanced helmet that the pilot of the F-35 wears is over $200,000. This cost does not factor into the per hour cost to fly the JSF F-35. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bendejo Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 If the US goes through with the sale anything classified about it will no longer be -- you'll be able to set your stopwatch the moment the last Yank is no longer watching. There will be an auction for first peek, mostly likely Russia or China. Or Iran. Iran? You've heard about the Russians using Iranian drones. Ever wonder how Iran got into the drone business? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran–U.S._RQ-170_incident 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted January 3, 2023 Share Posted January 3, 2023 8 hours ago, Harsh Jones said: While both fighters are designed to be stealthy there is no question that the F-35 is more effective. https://www.operationmilitarykids.org/f-35-vs-su-57-differences/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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