Classified documents from Biden’s time as VP discovered in private office

[candide]

17 minutes ago, riclag said:

You may be right about someone knowing they were there! I think the suppression of reporting till January 9 was huge. 
It seems many news agencies and pundits are talking about that.

As mentioned to you previously, it took 2 months between the time the NARA noticed the DOJ and the reporting of it by the media, for BOTH Biden and Trump cases. 2 months in both cases!

[SunnyinBangrak]

Just now, candide said:

As mentioned to you previously, it took 2 months between the time the NARA noticed the DOJ and the reporting of it by the media, for BOTH Biden and Trump cases. 2 months in both cases!

But do you not understand Joe Biden knew Top Secret classified documents had been found improperly stored in an unsecure location in various properties owned or controlled by himself while at the very same time playing politics attacking Trump for having classified docs in a very secure place at MAL? Surely you can understand why this is an issue?

 Do Biden and his fans have integrity or not?

[thaibeachlovers]

11 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Looks like Biden thought his own crime would be swept under the rug by the dishonest msm and doj, extremely surprising that we got to hear about it at all.

I am becoming more and more of the mind that the people that run the Democrats have abandoned Biden to his fate. I'll be extremely surprised if he is a candidate in 24, and not surprised if he is gone before.

[EVENKEEL]

10 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

Any evidence that he willfully kept the documents for 6 years? Or NARA knew and subpoena Biden to return the documents? Please enlighten. 

Which is worse? He knew or he didn't know?  Because it obvious he doesn't take Classified info as serious as he says.

[Bkk Brian]

Risk of prosecution on Biden, Trump docs differs due to cooperation

The situation has drawn comparisons to the investigation of Trump, whose Florida home was searched after he failed to fully comply with repeated requests to return presidential records, including some 300 classified documents that were ultimately recovered.

 

Like Trump, the Biden saga could implicate the Espionage Act, which bars the willful detention of national defense information. But prosecutions under the law, which requires demonstrating intent, are less likely when a subject notifies and cooperates with authorities.

 

“Once he was told he had [classified documents], what happened next? And that is the big, big, big, big distinction here,” said Kel McClanahan, executive director of National Security Counselors, a nonprofit law firm specializing in national security law.

https://thehill.com/homenews/3812802-risk-of-prosecution-on-biden-trump-docs-differs-due-to-cooperation/

[Bkk Brian]

Biden’s Classified Documents Should Have No Impact on Trump’s Legal Jeopardy

The recent discovery of a small number of classified documents, left over from President Joe Biden’s time as vice president and found at his private office and home, has injected confusion into the public’s understanding of whether any criminal liability might be appropriate for former President Donald Trump in connection with the huge trove of classified documents found last year at Mar-a-Lago.

Given the facts as they are now known, only the most superficial parallel can be drawn between Biden’s possession of these documents and Trump’s conduct relating to the documents held at Mar-a-Lago. 

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/01/biden-classified-document-investigation-trump-mar-a-lago/672720/

[candide]

7 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

But do you not understand Joe Biden knew Top Secret classified documents had been found improperly stored in an unsecure location in various properties owned or controlled by himself while at the very same time playing politics attacking Trump for having classified docs in a very secure place at MAL? Surely you can understand why this is an issue?

 Do Biden and his fans have integrity or not?

I understand Biden's remark is comical now.

 

However, your claim is innacurate. Biden's documents were found on 2 November, and he mocked Trump in September. September is before November, not after, right?

 

"During an interview on "60 Minutes" from September, Biden was asked about the viral photograph of top secret documents spread across the floor by the FBI following the raid of former President Trump's Mar-a-Lago home..........How that could possibly happen, how one anyone could be that irresponsible," Biden responded. "

https://www.foxnews.com/media/biden-shamed-irresponsible-trump-classified-docs-before-wh-admitted-sensitive-vp-records

 

[SunnyinBangrak]

1 minute ago, candide said:

I understand Biden's remark is comical now.

 

However, your claim is innacurate. Biden's documents were found on 2 November, and he mocked Trump in September. September is before November, not after, right?

 

"During an interview on "60 Minutes" from September, Biden was asked about the viral photograph of top secret documents spread across the floor by the FBI following the raid of former President Trump's Mar-a-Lago home..........How that could possibly happen, how one anyone could be that irresponsible," Biden responded. "

https://www.foxnews.com/media/biden-shamed-irresponsible-trump-classified-docs-before-wh-admitted-sensitive-vp-records

 

You are making the unsupported and highly unlikely claim that biden did not know he had illegally taken top secret classified documents and kept them in several unsecure locations. I put it to you it is likely biden knew about these documents for 6 to 8 YEARS depending on when he took them without permission.

[Bkk Brian]

Hilarious......lol Trumps lawyer comparing the Biden case and now wants to call it quits and move on. 

 

https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1614376680310689792?cxt=HHwWgMC-ubLCtecsAAAA

 

[riclag]

10 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

But do you not understand Joe Biden knew Top Secret classified documents had been found improperly stored in an unsecure location in various properties owned or controlled by himself while at the very same time playing politics attacking Trump for having classified docs in a very secure place at MAL? Surely you can understand why this is an issue?

 Do Biden and his fans have integrity or not?

You mentioned biden and fans have integrity or not !

Even the ex Mueller prosecutor Andrew Weissmann  said the WH is digging a hole deeper with respect to not revealing information in Nov/ Dec

https://www.foxbangor.com/national-news/former-mueller-prosecutor-white-house-digging-a-hole-deeper-by-failing-to-answer-classified-doc-questions

[candide]

2 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

You are making the unsupported and highly unlikely claim that biden did not know he had illegally taken top secret classified documents and kept them in several unsecure locations. I put it to you it is likely biden knew about these documents for 6 to 8 YEARS depending on when he took them without permission.

There is no evidence he knew about it. It's you making an unsupported claim.

[heybruce]

10 hours ago, dotcalm said:

Bidens does not dispute the classified materials were in his possession, and even claims they were kept in a locked garage and his explanation is “inadvertently misplaced.”

 

 That is clearly an admission of the crime of being in possession of classified US government documents which is federal criminal offense, and Biden the WH and the lawyers are not disputing it.

 

The “inadvertent mishandling” is as incomplete a criminal defense as Bill Clinton’s claim that he smoked marijuana but “didn’t inhale.” It is designed to suggest that, while the act may technically violate the law, the conduct is excusable or harmless. 

So, Joe Biden has admitted that, while he was Vice President and for six years after that, he violated national security laws.

 

This should qualify as an impeachable offense without question,

 

"Inadvertently misplaced" is no defense for Biden

https://www.foxnews.com/video/6318611301112

The fact that inadvertent mishandling of classified is not a crime has been explained many times.

 

The fact that you refuse to acknowledge this well known fact shows that you are a troll.

[heybruce]

10 hours ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

The crime is not "willfully" keeping the documents...it's having them in the first place (even if he locked the garage door)!

Are you back to that again  It has been explained, on one occasion using your own sources, that inadvertent mishandling of classified is not a crime.

 

Clearly you are also trolling.

[heybruce]

39 minutes ago, riclag said:

You may be right about someone knowing they were there! I think the suppression of reporting till January 9 was huge. 
It seems many news agencies and pundits are talking about that.

How was reporting suppressed?

 

24 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Spot on. That is the over riding concern here. The suppression of Biden's stash of classified documents(at a VITAL time before the midterms) allowing him and his fans to go on dishonest and utterly hypocritical tirades against Trump for doing essentially the same thing. Looks like Biden thought his own crime would be swept under the rug by the dishonest msm and doj, extremely surprising that we got to hear about it at all.

 

A forumite yesterday took offense to the term I used for biden having "stolen" the documents. Why would I say this? Goose and gander....

 

https://twitter.com/RepJayapal/status/1567554663804817409?s=20&t=FI67jbjxbpnLscobz9435g

See the above comment.

[heybruce]

16 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

But do you not understand Joe Biden knew Top Secret classified documents had been found improperly stored in an unsecure location in various properties owned or controlled by himself while at the very same time playing politics attacking Trump for having classified docs in a very secure place at MAL? Surely you can understand why this is an issue?

 Do Biden and his fans have integrity or not?

But you do not understand that when classified was found in Biden's office and home proper procedures were followed.  That is not what happened with classified that Trump was holding, hiding, denying and refusing to return.

[heybruce]

6 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

You are making the unsupported and highly unlikely claim that biden did not know he had illegally taken top secret classified documents and kept them in several unsecure locations. I put it to you it is likely biden knew about these documents for 6 to 8 YEARS depending on when he took them without permission.

You know nothing about working with and handling classified.  That is obvious from your posts.

[SunnyinBangrak]

Just now, candide said:

There is no evidence he knew about it. It's you making an unsupported claim.

The top secret documents did not walk into biden's garage and office and house where hunter claimed on a form he lived on their own. 

[SunnyinBangrak]

1 minute ago, heybruce said:

But you do not understand that when classified was found in Biden's office and home proper procedures were followed.  That is not what happened with classified that Trump was holding, hiding, denying and refusing to return.

Now who would blame Trump - the victim of 6 years of persecution and hoaxes from the left, the DOJ and the MSM - for not listening to a word they say. That's what happens when your credibility is shot. 

 

From memory I believe Trump effectively told them to pound sand because as a PRESIDENT he had the authority to declassify any document he wants. Something nobody claims the ex VP had. ANy way you look at it this is devastating, and as another poster with an excellent track record of being on the correct side of issues has said, it looks like this media blitz is no accident, likely it's biden's time to go.

[Skipalongcassidy]

12 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

 

Given the facts as they are now known, only the most superficial parallel can be drawn between Biden’s possession of these documents and Trump’s conduct relating to the documents held at Mar-a-Lago. 

 

The Atlantic is a fanatic left wing rag... They publish propaganda and have proven to be inaccurate most  of the time... It's clear to say that if one person breaches confidentiality and another person does the same thing then both are equally  guilty... the degree of guilt is 100%.

[candide]

4 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

The top secret documents did not walk into biden's garage and office and house where hunter claimed on a form he lived on their own. 

You can assume whatever you want, you have no evidence. This is being investigated by a special counsel, as demanded by the right-wing, we'll know more when the investigation is completed.

[candide]

17 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Hilarious......lol Trumps lawyer comparing the Biden case and now wants to call it quits and move on. 

 

https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1614376680310689792?cxt=HHwWgMC-ubLCtecsAAAA

 

Not an expensive lawyer, it seems! ????

[Bkk Brian]

6 minutes ago, Skipalongcassidy said:

The Atlantic is a fanatic left wing rag... They publish propaganda and have proven to be inaccurate most  of the time... It's clear to say that if one person breaches confidentiality and another person does the same thing then both are equally  guilty... the degree of guilt is 100%.

Nonsense:

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-atlantic/

 

Now would you like me to do a comparison to New York Post or Fox News that are being linked to here. 

 

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/fox-news-bias/

 

[SunnyinBangrak]

17 minutes ago, heybruce said:

You know nothing about working with and handling classified.  That is obvious from your posts.

I know there are many many people that have been jailed for simply possessing classified documents they are unauthorized to. 

 

 I include a link to one, as the wording shreds the silly excuse that it's legal to take classified documents you don't have clearance to take until you get causght.

 

Weldon Marshall, 43, of Sherman, Texas, was sentenced today to 41 months in prison, to be followed by one year of supervised release, for unlawfully retaining national defence information

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/former-defense-contractor-sentenced-unlawfully-retaining-classified-information

[candide]

13 minutes ago, Skipalongcassidy said:

The Atlantic is a fanatic left wing rag... They publish propaganda and have proven to be inaccurate most  of the time... It's clear to say that if one person breaches confidentiality and another person does the same thing then both are equally  guilty... the degree of guilt is 100%.

Lol! Similar analysis on Fox News!

 

"Well, there are differences, but you can't make this stuff up. But there are differences," Rove responded. "For example, how many documents in Biden's case, there appear to be about 10. In the case of President Trump, hundreds."

"How responsive were they?" Rove asked. "When the Biden people found out about it, they called immediately, called the appropriate authorities and turned them over. We spent a year and a half watching the drama unfold in Mar-a-Lago, and it had to end in a police search to recover the documents."

https://www.salon.com/2023/01/11/seethes-on-truth-social-after-fox-news-analyst-debunks-his-lies-about-biden-classified-docs/

[Bkk Brian]

7 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

I know there are many many people that have been jailed for simply possessing classified documents they are unauthorized to. 

 

 I include a link to one, as the wording shreds the silly excuse that it's legal to take classified documents you don't have clearance to take until you get causght.

 

Weldon Marshall, 43, of Sherman, Texas, was sentenced today to 41 months in prison, to be followed by one year of supervised release, for unlawfully retaining national defence information

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/former-defense-contractor-sentenced-unlawfully-retaining-classified-information

Proving just how different the case for Biden is. 

[Skipalongcassidy]

 

"Lol! Similar analysis on Fox News!"

 

Always with the <deleted> "whataboutism"... I am not necessarily a proponent of Fox news or any of the talking heads for that matter... try to understand that one's actions are not justified by nor are they relative to another's

[Tug]

42 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Now who would blame Trump - the victim of 6 years of persecution and hoaxes from the left, the DOJ and the MSM - for not listening to a word they say. That's what happens when your credibility is shot. 

 

From memory I believe Trump effectively told them to pound sand because as a PRESIDENT he had the authority to declassify any document he wants. Something nobody claims the ex VP had. ANy way you look at it this is devastating, and as another poster with an excellent track record of being on the correct side of issues has said, it looks like this media blitz is no accident, likely it's biden's time to go.

Catching any fish?

[Bkk Brian]

25 minutes ago, Skipalongcassidy said:

 

"Lol! Similar analysis on Fox News!"

 

Always with the <deleted> "whataboutism"... I am not necessarily a proponent of Fox news or any of the talking heads for that matter... try to understand that one's actions are not justified by nor are they relative to another's

You missed that your rant on the Alantic was false nonsense. Nice swerve but not good enough

[heybruce]

1 hour ago, Skipalongcassidy said:

The Atlantic is a fanatic left wing rag... They publish propaganda and have proven to be inaccurate most  of the time... It's clear to say that if one person breaches confidentiality and another person does the same thing then both are equally  guilty... the degree of guilt is 100%.

Another newby making unsubstantiated claims.  Why don't you prove that "They publish propaganda and have proven to be inaccurate most  of the time..."

 

The law is clear that inadvertent mishandling of classified that is corrected using proper procedures is not a crime.  That's what the Biden team did.  Trump's team did the opposite.

[heybruce]

1 hour ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Now who would blame Trump - the victim of 6 years of persecution and hoaxes from the left, the DOJ and the MSM - for not listening to a word they say. That's what happens when your credibility is shot. 

 

From memory I believe Trump effectively told them to pound sand because as a PRESIDENT he had the authority to declassify any document he wants. Something nobody claims the ex VP had. ANy way you look at it this is devastating, and as another poster with an excellent track record of being on the correct side of issues has said, it looks like this media blitz is no accident, likely it's biden's time to go.

Your memory is faulty.  The documents were government property.  That was explained to Trump.  He tried to keep what he had stolen regardless.