Scott Posted January 9, 2023 Share Posted January 9, 2023 Several classified documents from President Joe Biden’s time as vice president were discovered last fall in a private office, Biden’s attorneys acknowledged Monday. Attorney General Merrick Garland has asked the US attorney in Chicago to investigate the matter, a source familiar with the matter tells CNN, and congressional Republicans are also taking notice. Biden’s lawyers say they found the government materials in November while closing out a Washington, DC-based office – the Penn Biden Center for Diplomacy and Global Engagement – that Biden used as part of his relationship with the University of Pennsylvania, where he was an honorary professor from 2017 to 2019. https://edition.cnn.com/2023/01/09/politics/joe-biden-classified-documents-upenn/index.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Pattaya Spotter Posted January 10, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted January 10, 2023 (edited) You can't make this stuff up! Edited January 10, 2023 by Pattaya Spotter 1 1 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chomper Higgot Posted January 10, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted January 10, 2023 Good to see President Biden’s lawyers acting decisively to report this find. Good to see USAG acting decisively to investigate the matter. If criminality is found, then indict. The criminal holding, withholding or concealment of classified documents should always be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. If criminality is not found, make a clear unequivocal statement to that effect. 7 1 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chomper Higgot Posted January 10, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted January 10, 2023 Just now, Pattaya Spotter said: You can't make this stuff up! One can, but one should not. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Popular Post Bkk Brian Posted January 10, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted January 10, 2023 42 minutes ago, Pattaya Spotter said: You can't make this stuff up! You could make it up if the FBI issued a subpoena only for Biden to move the documents and refuse to return them. Or you could make it up if the FBI then had to raid the office to retrieve them only to then be accused of planting them in the first place. Perhaps it would then seem totally unbelievable if Biden would delay the investigation as much as possible by engaging a special council or issuing wild statements that the FBI is being weaponized against him. There are many ways to make this up. However the fact is that it was Biden's own lawyers that discovered them in a locked closet and then immediately notified the National Archives & Department of Justice. 12 1 2 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Credo Posted January 10, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted January 10, 2023 Obviously, he should do just like his predecessor and say they are declassified. The difference is, Biden can actually do it because he IS president. 2 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EVENKEEL Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 Problem is the term Classified could be something as innocent as weather reports. It could be a Top Secret folder with cooking recipes inside. Who knows. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Berkshire Posted January 10, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted January 10, 2023 7 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said: You could make it up if the FBI issued a subpoena only for Biden to move the documents and refuse to return them. Or you could make it up if the FBI then had to raid the office to retrieve them only to then be accused of planting them in the first place. Perhaps it would then seem totally unbelievable if Biden would delay the investigation as much as possible by engaging a special council or issuing wild statements that the FBI is being weaponized against him. There are many ways to make this up. However the fact is that it was Biden's own lawyers that discovered them in a locked closet and then immediately notified the National Archives & Department of Justice. Exactly. There are very little similarities between this situation and that of the former disgraced Prez. But the Republicans will spin this to make it seem like it was....or even worse. Regardless, Trump will get nailed for some other criminal act. It's simply in his nature. ["Biden's team did exactly what you're supposed to do," Moss said. "When you find improperly stored classified documents, you immediately notify the government — and you turn it over immediately."] https://www.yahoo.com/news/theres-key-difference-between-classified-004201530.html 5 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tug Posted January 10, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted January 10, 2023 What a difference the way this is being handed all correct in the Biden’s response.certainly not willfully withholding lying hiding denying delaying as in the trump response 4 1 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post gargamon Posted January 10, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted January 10, 2023 Trump's big problem with the documents is that he failed to return them when requested, and lied about not having more. That's called obstruction of justice. All the whataboutisms coming from the trump cult mean nothing unless they can show obstruction of justice. 7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post EVENKEEL Posted January 10, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted January 10, 2023 24 minutes ago, Tug said: What a difference the way this is being handed all correct in the Biden’s response.certainly not willfully withholding lying hiding denying delaying as in the trump response Yes I agree, Biden left docs by accident, forgot about them. And now he's sitting pres, he doesn't instill alot of confidence. 3 1 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Eric Loh Posted January 10, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted January 10, 2023 27 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said: Problem is the term Classified could be something as innocent as weather reports. It could be a Top Secret folder with cooking recipes inside. Who knows. What is important and legal is that when the classified documents are found, they will need to hand back to the archive voluntarily without need for legal coercion. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tug Posted January 10, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted January 10, 2023 17 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said: Yes I agree, Biden left docs by accident, forgot about them. And now he's sitting pres, he doesn't instill alot of confidence. My understanding is they were found at an institution that study’s foreign policy to imply that Biden himself left the docs isent nessarley true they could have been forgotten by someone studying at that facility the main point to me is the difference in the way they were handled 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ozimoron Posted January 10, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted January 10, 2023 30 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said: Yes I agree, Biden left docs by accident, forgot about them. And now he's sitting pres, he doesn't instill alot of confidence. He apparently didn't willfully remove them after he lost authority to hold them and isn't asking for them to be returned. Nothing to see here I think. We shall see. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 33 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said: Yes I agree, Biden left docs by accident, forgot about them. And now he's sitting pres, he doesn't instill alot of confidence. And yet you yourself had this to say a few short moments ago: 1 hour ago, EVENKEEL said: Problem is the term Classified could be something as innocent as weather reports. It could be a Top Secret folder with cooking recipes inside. Who knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 Ooh, look even handed treatment. A person who is familiar with the matter but not authorized to discuss it publicly said Attorney General Merrick Garland asked U.S. Attorney for the Northern District of Illinois John Lausch to review the matter after the Archives referred the issue to the department. Lausch is one of the few U.S. attorneys to be held over from former President Donald Trump’s administration. https://apnews.com/article/biden-politics-united-states-government-812ef44a5333f6d93423a67a683fa024?utm_source=homepage&utm_medium=TopNews&utm_campaign=position_08 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 Differences in the Trump, Biden classified document discoveries https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/3806250-differences-in-the-trump-biden-classified-document-discoveries/ 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post SunnyinBangrak Posted January 10, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted January 10, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Eric Loh said: What is important and legal is that when the classified documents are found, they will need to hand back to the archive voluntarily without need for legal coercion. Sounds like you are saying possessing classified docs is legal until one is caught. I'm no lawyer, but it sounds a false assertion. After the left made hay over others in possession of classified docs, this is most inconvenient to put it mildly! If this had been made public before the midterms as the other case was...... Edited January 10, 2023 by SunnyinBangrak 1 1 1 1 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 9 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said: Sounds like you are saying possessing classified docs is legal until one is caught. I'm no lawyer, but it sounds a false assertion. After the left made hay over others in possession of classified docs, this is most inconvenient to put it mildly! If this had been made public before the midterms as the other case was...... look up "mens rea" 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post placeholder Posted January 10, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted January 10, 2023 17 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said: Sounds like you are saying possessing classified docs is legal until one is caught. I'm no lawyer, but it sounds a false assertion. After the left made hay over others in possession of classified docs, this is most inconvenient to put it mildly! If this had been made public before the midterms as the other case was...... Actually not, It goes to intent. The National Archives negotiated with Trump's people for months before a return was arranged. It turned out that his representative falsely asserted that all documents had been returned. Clearly, Trump knew that he was holding documents that violated the rules and had his people deny it. It was only after further negotiations had failed that the National Archives was called in by the Justice Dept. All Trump had to do was comply with the National Archives request and this matter would never have been assigned to the Justice Dept. It's clear that there's a very strong case against him for obstruction of Justice. Whereas in the Biden case, it's not at all clear that it was Biden who took these documents. 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Eric Loh Posted January 10, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted January 10, 2023 32 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said: Sounds like you are saying possessing classified docs is legal until one is caught. I'm no lawyer, but it sounds a false assertion. After the left made hay over others in possession of classified docs, this is most inconvenient to put it mildly! If this had been made public before the midterms as the other case was...... Who was caught? The discovery by the President's personnel attorneys during packing on November 2, 2022 and on the same day, the WH''s Counsel Office notified the National Archives. The Archives took possesion of the materials the following morning. By the way, Biden don't stay at the Penn Biden Center and the FBI was not involved in retrieving the documents besides the volume of documents of varying classification degrees that were willfully kept by Trump. Doubt the stark difference meant anything to any cultist. 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post dotcalm Posted January 10, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted January 10, 2023 (edited) 5 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said: Good to see President Biden’s lawyers acting decisively to report this find. Good to see USAG acting decisively to investigate the matter. If criminality is found, then indict. The criminal holding, withholding or concealment of classified documents should always be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. If criminality is not found, make a clear unequivocal statement to that effect. Oh, but / and it begs the question why the Chinese anonymously donated $54M to the UPenn, where Biden kept an office there until 2020, yet again you see the endless connections between Biden(s) and China. This warrants serious investigation and likely will be pursued by congress. I take this to be just another "sign" that the decision makers want to exit Biden, as he's not wanted by his own party. It strikes me as odd that CNN is even covering Biden's latest news of his suspicious actions instead of running cover for him. Maybe Biden will be done soon. https://nypost.com/202/04/09/54m-in-chinese-gifts-donated-to-upenn-home-of-biden-center/ Edited January 10, 2023 by dotcalm 2 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 4 minutes ago, dotcalm said: Oh, but / and it begs the question why the Chinese anonymously donated $54M to the UPenn, where Biden kept an office intil 2020, yet again you see the endless connections between Biden(s) and China. This warrants serious investigation and likely will be pursued by congress. I take this to be just another "sign" that the decision makers want to exit Biden, as he's not wanted bt his own party. It strikes me as odd that CNN is even covering Biden's latest suspicious actions. https://nypost.com/2022/04/09/54m-in-chinese-gifts-donated-to-upenn-home-of-biden-center/ All at a time when Biden held no public office. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post John Drake Posted January 10, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted January 10, 2023 Am I the only American without classified documents in my basement? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 20 minutes ago, dotcalm said: Oh, but / and it begs the question why the Chinese anonymously donated $54M to the UPenn, where Biden kept an office there until 2020, yet again you see the endless connections between Biden(s) and China. This warrants serious investigation and likely will be pursued by congress. I take this to be just another "sign" that the decision makers want to exit Biden, as he's not wanted by his own party. It strikes me as odd that CNN is even covering Biden's latest news of his suspicious actions instead of running cover for him. Maybe Biden will be done soon. https://nypost.com/202/04/09/54m-in-chinese-gifts-donated-to-upenn-home-of-biden-center/ It doesn’t beg the question at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bkk Brian Posted January 10, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted January 10, 2023 16 minutes ago, dotcalm said: Oh, but / and it begs the question why the Chinese anonymously donated $54M to the UPenn, where Biden kept an office there until 2020, yet again you see the endless connections between Biden(s) and China. This warrants serious investigation and likely will be pursued by congress. I take this to be just another "sign" that the decision makers want to exit Biden, as he's not wanted by his own party. It strikes me as odd that CNN is even covering Biden's latest news of his suspicious actions instead of running cover for him. Maybe Biden will be done soon. https://nypost.com/202/04/09/54m-in-chinese-gifts-donated-to-upenn-home-of-biden-center/ Oh look a 9 month old article from the New York Times on the Hunter laptop again...lol I wonder if Biden can also be pinned for the $75 million in Chinese donations during the 2014-2019 period, that Havard got. (from the same article) You may want to note that the Penn Biden Center received zero. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonnyF Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 Oh dear. How embarrassing for The Dems. ???? https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-64218179 I guess this is one instance where Biden's lack of cognitive functioning could actually work in his favour. "I forgot" could actually be believable.???? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bkk Brian Posted January 10, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted January 10, 2023 Matthew Miller, a former Justice Department spokesperson during the Obama administration, tweeted, “Worth noting what former government officials have said since Mar a Lago raid: classified docs get mistakenly removed from government facilities fairly frequently. You report it, turn in the docs, the government does a damage assessment, and that is the end of it.” “OR…you cover it up, lie about it repeatedly to the government, and force them to raid your premises to retrieve the docs (ie act like a sociopath), in which case you can expect a criminal charge,” Miller added. https://www.wane.com/news/classified-documents-found-from-bidens-time-as-vp-white-house-cooperating-with-doj/amp/ 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EVENKEEL Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 4 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said: And yet you yourself had this to say a few short moments ago: Both statements hold true, please be patient. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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