Netanyahu says don’t get ‘hung up’ on peace with Palestinians first

[ozimoron]

9 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Pablum.

 

Progressive Jewish students in the US are subject to explicit antisemitism and exclusion just for being in favor of Israel's right to exist.

 

The word apartheid while technically a useful word is almost always associated with South Africa.

 

Afrikaners weren't indigenous there. Jews are indigenous to Israel. Israel demonizers know what they're doing. They use that loaded word intentionally to inflame and persuade people that Israel is evil and illegitimate.

 

There is no perfect and pure democracy. Duh.

 

Do you think Arab Israelis really want to be in the IDF?

 

 

It will end at Golan.

 

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Israel's "right to exist" is more often than not code for "Palestine's no right to exist". I think they should she mutually dependent. 

[thaibeachlovers]

On 2/8/2023 at 8:44 PM, placnx said:

In the end it will be widespread international recognition that Israel has become an apartheid state that will force Israelis to confront the truth and make a choice, just as South Africa did. It will not be surprising that the US will continue in denial to the last, just as happened in the South African case.

Agree 100%.

IMO eventually even the US with it's veto will not be able to cover for the Israelis, unless they back away from where they are ultimately going with the present policies.

[placnx]

On 2/9/2023 at 6:36 PM, ozimoron said:

Israel's "right to exist" is more often than not code for "Palestine's no right to exist". I think they should she mutually dependent. 

Very sensible, even if it takes time for the world to arrive at this conslusion.

[placnx]

On 2/9/2023 at 6:26 PM, Jingthing said:

Pablum.

 

Progressive Jewish students in the US are subject to explicit antisemitism and exclusion just for being in favor of Israel's right to exist.

 

The word apartheid while technically a useful word is almost always associated with South Africa.

 

White South Africans weren't indigenous there. Jews are indigenous to Israel. It's their ancient homeland. Israel demonizers know what they're doing. They use that loaded word intentionally to inflame and persuade people that Israel is evil and illegitimate.

 

https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/israel-middle-east/articles/bellerose-aboriginal-people

 

 

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Are Jews Indigenous to the Land of Israel?

Yes.

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There is no perfect and pure democracy. Duh.

 

Do you think Arab Israelis really want to be in the IDF?

 

 

It will end at Golan.

 

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Progressive students including Jewish ones are the people protesting Israel's apartheid. Have you heard of Jewish Voice for Peace? They are not advocating the end of Israel. They want Israel to respect international law and stop discrimination against Palestinians, and they support BDS.

 

Concerning apartheid, consider the Wikipedia entry, in the section "International legal, political, and social uses of the term" 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apartheid

"The South African experience has given rise to the term "apartheid" being used in a number of contexts other than the South African system of racial segregation. For example: The "crime of apartheid" is defined in international law, including in the 2007 law that created the International Criminal Court (ICC), which names it as a crime against humanity. Even before the creation of the ICC, the International Convention on the Suppression and Punishment of the Crime of Apartheid of the United Nations, which came into force in 1976, enshrined into law the "crime of apartheid."[256]

The term apartheid has been adopted by Palestinian rights advocates and by leading Israeli and other human rights organizations, referring to occupation in the West Bank, legal treatment of illegal settlements and the West Bank barrier.[257][258][259][260] Within the pre-1967 Israeli borders, Palestinian rights advocates have raised concern over discriminatory housing planning against Palestinian citizens of Israel, likening it to racial segregation.[261]"

 

While the Jewish people were present in Palestine in antiquity, so were others.

 

It's not that Arab Israelis want to participate in oppression of fellow Palestinians, but they would like to have access to some of the many benefits that are reserved to army veterans.