Ukraine war: Big mistake for Russia to suspend nuclear arms treaty, Biden says

[Scott]

 

US President Joe Biden has called Russia's decision to suspend the New Start nuclear arms treaty a big mistake.

President Vladimir Putin announced the move on Tuesday in his annual address to the nation.

The deal, signed in 2010, limits the number of US and Russian nuclear warheads and gives each the power to inspect the other's weapons.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-64735708

[thaibeachlovers]

What else would he say?

[ozimoron]

1 minute ago, thaibeachlovers said:

What else would he say?

That's right, he's a promoter of world peace.

[Thingamabob]

I'm beginning to think the West should have stayed right out of this.

[billd766]

4 hours ago, Thingamabob said:

I'm beginning to think the West should have stayed right out of this.

And what?

 

Let Russia walk in and take over a democratic country of 40 odd million people?

 

And what would you say if Russia were to decide that Poland, the eastern part for Germany, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia or Finland would be annexed next?

 

Still nothing to do with the West?

[Mac Mickmanus]

9 minutes ago, billd766 said:

And what?

 

Let Russia walk in and take over a democratic country of 40 odd million people?

 

And what would you say if Russia were to decide that Poland, the eastern part for Germany, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia or Finland would be annexed next?

 

Still nothing to do with the West?

Deal with that hypothetical situation IF it ever arises .

Russia will be content with just getting Ukraine back and although some may disagree with that , its not worth getting into a World war about

[Tug]

9 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Deal with that hypothetical situation IF it ever arises .

Russia will be content with just getting Ukraine back and although some may disagree with that , its not worth getting into a World war about

Naaa they tryed that route 70 odd years ago things dident work out so well the free world won’t let that murderous dictator get away with it time for the Russians to take care of their problem the sooner the better!

[Mac Mickmanus]

10 minutes ago, Tug said:

Naaa they tryed that route 70 odd years ago things dident work out so well the free world won’t let that murderous dictator get away with it time for the Russians to take care of their problem the sooner the better!

Ukraine is traditionally  part of the Eastern Block and its the Western World which is trying to expand by  bringing Ukraine under their influence 

[Bkk Brian]

44 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Deal with that hypothetical situation IF it ever arises .

Russia will be content with just getting Ukraine back and although some may disagree with that , its not worth getting into a World war about

"Russia will be content with just getting Ukraine back and although some may disagree with that"

 

The free world disagrees with it, Ukraine is a sovereign nation and Russia has broken international law by invading it. The UN is committed to its independence as by law and as by the people of Ukraine.

[ozimoron]

57 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Deal with that hypothetical situation IF it ever arises .

Russia will be content with just getting Ukraine back and although some may disagree with that , its not worth getting into a World war about

Do you ever consider the logic of your posts? You insist that the notion that Russia will be content with just taking Ukraine but claim that the notion that Russia won't be content with just Ukraine is a hypothetical. Each is just as valid as the other. Byellorus looks like being annexed and Moldova certainly fears it. Russia already annexed 20% of Georgia.  Surely the proposition with the most logic would be that Putin wants to restore the entirely of the former Soviet Union?

[ozimoron]

35 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Ukraine is traditionally  part of the Eastern Block and its the Western World which is trying to expand by  bringing Ukraine under their influence 

No, the west will not seek to rule Ukraine. The goal is to maintain independence for Ukraine. Russia wants Ukraine to be part of Russia, not independent at all. Russia only ever ruled Ukraine under duress. The holomador proves that.

[heybruce]

9 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Ukraine is traditionally  part of the Eastern Block and its the Western World which is trying to expand by  bringing Ukraine under their influence 

The Baltic States, Poland, the Czech Republic, Slovakia, Hungary, Romania and Bulgaria are also part of the Eastern Block.  Do you think it would be ok for Russia to invade them as well? 

 

The "Western World" leaves the door open to those who wish to have good political and economic relations with it.  Ukraine was one such nation.  The west didn't try to bring Ukraine under its influence, the majority of the people in Ukraine decided they liked what the west had to offer more than what Russia was offering/inflicting.

 

The west is influential because it is comparatively attractive economically and socially. Russia is influential because of graft, secret police and invasions.  People defending Russia are sick.

[Mac Mickmanus]

1 minute ago, heybruce said:

The Baltic States, Poland, the Czech Republic, Slovakia, Hungary, Romania and Bulgaria are also part of the Eastern Block.  Do you think it would be ok for Russia to invade them as well? 

 

The "Western World" leaves the door open to those who wish to have good political and economic relations with it.  Ukraine was one such nation.  The west didn't try to bring Ukraine under its influence, the majority of the people in Ukraine decided they liked what the west had to offer more than what Russia was offering/inflicting.

 

The west is influential because it is comparatively attractive economically and socially. Russia is influential because of graft, secret police and invasions.  People defending Russia are sick.

I am just talking about the situation .

I get tired of being called names , I am not "sick" , I am just talking about the situation and I wasn't "defending" Russia and impartial discussion goes our the window with you lot . Always has to be a fight 

  Anyway, tired of being called sick, troll blah blah blah 

[thaibeachlovers]

14 hours ago, Thingamabob said:

I'm beginning to think the West should have stayed right out of this.

Welcome to my point of view. I have been saying that since before the invasion started.

It's not the west's concern, IMO. America and allies invade Iraq based on lies and that is OK, but when Russia invades a non NATO member state, it's all about the big bad man and how we have to make arms manufacturers really really rich in response, while seeing loads of dead Ukrainians and untold destruction in Ukraine as "collateral damage".

Far as I'm concerned, any posters on here that support the war are welcome to do something more about it than from behind a keyboard and go join the fight. The Ukrainians will welcome them.

[LaosLover]

10 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

 

Russia will be content with just getting Ukraine back

Old Mel Brooks joke:

 

"My wife in the divorce was like Hitler saying 'all I want is Czechoslovakia".

[thaibeachlovers]

10 hours ago, billd766 said:

And what?

 

Let Russia walk in and take over a democratic country of 40 odd million people?

 

And what would you say if Russia were to decide that Poland, the eastern part for Germany, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia or Finland would be annexed next?

 

Still nothing to do with the West?

What on earth are you about? Poland, Germany, and I believe Finland, are in NATO. Putin isn't going to go there, unless he wants WW3.

[heybruce]

18 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

I am just talking about the situation .

I get tired of being called names , I am not "sick" , I am just talking about the situation and I wasn't "defending" Russia and impartial discussion goes our the window with you lot . Always has to be a fight 

  Anyway, tired of being called sick, troll blah blah blah 

Perhaps you should think before you post.  What did you mean by "Ukraine is traditionally  part of the Eastern Block and its the Western World".  Exactly where and how do you define the line between the Western World and the "Eastern Block"?  Do you think it is acceptable for Russia to invade and reclaim by force all countries that like what the west has to offer, including those now in the EU and/or NATO?

 

And exactly how is the "Western World which is trying to expand by  bringing Ukraine under their influence"?  Do you have evidence that the Ukrainian people prefer being dominated by Russia?

[Mac Mickmanus]

2 minutes ago, heybruce said:

Perhaps you should think before you post.  What did you mean by "Ukraine is traditionally  part of the Eastern Block and its the Western World".  Exactly where and how do you define the line between the Western World and the "Eastern Block"?  Do you think it is acceptable for Russia to invade and reclaim by force all countries that like what the west has to offer, including those now in the EU and/or NATO?

 

And exactly how is the "Western World which is trying to expand by  bringing Ukraine under their influence"?  Do you have evidence that the Ukrainian people prefer being dominated by Russia?

Yes, I think that I don't want to talk to you anymore , its a rather unpleasant confrontational abusive experience .

   Bye

[Chomper Higgot]

11 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Deal with that hypothetical situation IF it ever arises .

Russia will be content with just getting Ukraine back and although some may disagree with that , its not worth getting into a World war about

That’s not a hypothetical situation, it’s the core of Russian Propaganda messaging.

 

Thanks for sharing.

[heybruce]

24 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Yes, I think that I don't want to talk to you anymore , its a rather unpleasant confrontational abusive experience .

   Bye

How was I abusive?  I raised some reasonable questions that your post invited.

[Chomper Higgot]

49 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Welcome to my point of view. I have been saying that since before the invasion started.

It's not the west's concern, IMO. America and allies invade Iraq based on lies and that is OK, but when Russia invades a non NATO member state, it's all about the big bad man and how we have to make arms manufacturers really really rich in response, while seeing loads of dead Ukrainians and untold destruction in Ukraine as "collateral damage".

Far as I'm concerned, any posters on here that support the war are welcome to do something more about it than from behind a keyboard and go join the fight. The Ukrainians will welcome them.

The point you are obfuscating is it is the Ukrainian people who are fighting for their country and their freedom.

 

All they ask for is assistance with the supply of materiel and intelligence data to help them in their fight.

 

Your argument regarding supporters of ‘this war’ is both itself an obfuscation and scurrilous.

 

Support for Ukraine, is not support for this war, this war was started by Putin, not Ukraine.

 

Though there is a point, undermining support for Ukraine is definitely offering Putin a helping hand.

[Chomper Higgot]

6 minutes ago, heybruce said:

How was I abusive?  I raised some reasonable questions that your post invited.

Which is for some a definition of ‘abuse’.