UK tax

[Terry2905]

Hi.

 

I missed 2 self assessment tax returns when I lost my job in Oman and was not able to file my self assessment tax returns, because I did not have a permanent address in Thailand. 

 

I have very recently been able to get a government gateway access, which is showing me that I owe nearly £7,000.

 

I have called them, but at over £200 for each phone call, that communication has become untenable. 

 

So my question is, will the UK tax office chase me here in Thailand if I don't/can't pay?

 

I am not advocating tax avoidance, but they have obviously not made the correct calculations, and fined me for late returns. 

 

Any helpful suggestions would be greatly appreciated. 

 

[nigelforbes]

Were you uk resident for tax purposes during the missed years or were you resident in Oman or Thailand?

[norfolkandchance]

Get Skype account. Put some credit on. Then it costs pennies for phone calls. I put £8 on last Sept still have £6 credit.

[Stocky]

33 minutes ago, Terry2905 said:

I have called them, but at over £200 for each phone call, that communication has become untenable. 

Use Skype for international calls.

[norfolkandchance]

9 minutes ago, Stocky said:

Use Skype for international calls.

I made 2 calls to Winter Fuel Allowance at GovUk Thurs. 80 minutes. £0.042..

[GroveHillWanderer]

Or call them and ask them to call you back. In my experience of UK government agencies, they're happy to do that.

Edited March 4, 2023 by GroveHillWanderer

[Terry2905]

Thanks for the immediate and useful replies. 

 

I will download Skype and try that. 

 

I just have to somehow survive the weekend with no support. 

 

I am in a mess, and suffering with anxiety and alcohol related issues. 

 

I guess I will just drink and sleep the next 2 days before I can talk to the tax office again!

 

 

[nigelforbes]

Let me ask the question a different way......

How many days, roughly, did you spend in the UK during each of the tax years when you didn't file a uk tax return?

[quake]

Op never bothered to fill in tax forms for 2  years 9 months. !!!!!

what's has loosing his job in a foreign country got to do with that.

why did he need to fill in a tax form for the uk ?

Has he got undeclared income there. ?

Rules are rules .

But if you have a good reason for your non compliance.

they will wave the fine or part of it.

Good luck.

 

 

 

 

[Terry2905]

2 hours ago, nigelforbes said:

Let me ask the question a different way......

How many days, roughly, did you spend in the UK during each of the tax years when you didn't file a uk tax return?

I never went to the UK. 

 

I was working in Oman on a tax free salary. 

 

But the UK tax office have taxed me for my salary, because I was not resident in Oman for the whole period of 2020 to 2021 tax year.

 

Even though I was still non resident in the UK for tax purposes, they have taxed my income when working in Oman during 2020 to 2021, even though I lost my job in January 2021.

[quake]

Sounds like time to look again at the uk residency test.

Maybe something to do with arising income. 

[Terry2905]

8 minutes ago, quake said:

Op never bothered to fill in tax forms for 2  years 9 months. !!!!!

what's has loosing his job in a foreign country got to do with that.

why did he need to fill in a tax form for the uk ?

Has he got undeclared income there. ?

Rules are rules .

But if you have a good reason for your non compliance.

they will wave the fine or part of it.

Good luck.

 

 

 

 

I got kicked out of Asean now before I could answer fully.

 

I needed to fill in tax returns because I was renting property in the UK. 

 

I stopped renting my house in August 2021, and I declared that now.

 

But the tax office have taxed me on income for 2020 to 2021, including my final salary and all other income from renting my house during 2020 to 2021.

 

And to answer your question about why I didn't file my returns  that was because I didn't receive my tax returns in the post, and Oman banned access to the government gateway, so I couldn't file my tax returns. 

 

 

 

[quake]

17 minutes ago, Terry2905 said:

I got kicked out of Asean now before I could answer fully.

 

I needed to fill in tax returns because I was renting property in the UK. 

 

I stopped renting my house in August 2021, and I declared that now.

 

But the tax office have taxed me on income for 2020 to 2021, including my final salary and all other income from renting my house during 2020 to 2021.

 

And to answer your question about why I didn't file my returns  that was because I didn't receive my tax returns in the post, and Oman banned access to the government gateway, so I couldn't file my tax returns. 

 

 

 

You still have to pay tax on uk rental income. resident or not.

and income arising in the uk

Unless your non dom.

They may/ may not waver the fine. think your stuffed on that.

 

Ps just looked a uk government website

looks like you can download the forms for self assessment

 

 

 

 

 

Edited March 4, 2023 by quake

[Terry2905]

5 minutes ago, quake said:

Sounds like time to look again at the uk residency test.

Maybe something to do with arising income. 

No.

 

I followed the rules. 

 

I had to declare income received from renting property when working overseas. 

 

But when I lost my job and did not receive my self assessment forms, nor the penalty notices, because I had no forwarding address here in Thailand, I couldn't file my returns. 

 

My situation is very simple. 

 

I know that I had to  file my self assessment tax returns, but I had no way of doing that!

 

And now I find that I being penalised over £7,000 for something that was out of my control. 

 

If you are in Thailand and ever tried to call the uk tax office, you will on hold for 2 hours, costing approximately £200 before anyone even answers.

 

 

[quake]

5 minutes ago, Terry2905 said:

No.

 

I followed the rules. 

 

I had to declare income received from renting property when working overseas. 

 

But when I lost my job and did not receive my self assessment forms, nor the penalty notices, because I had no forwarding address here in Thailand, I couldn't file my returns. 

 

My situation is very simple. 

 

I know that I had to  file my self assessment tax returns, but I had no way of doing that!

 

And now I find that I being penalised over £7,000 for something that was out of my control. 

 

If you are in Thailand and ever tried to call the uk tax office, you will on hold for 2 hours, costing approximately £200 before anyone even answers.

 

 

 just looked at uk government website

looks like you can download the forms for self assessment.

 

 

 

Edited March 4, 2023 by quake

[quake]

7 minutes ago, Terry2905 said:

NIf you are in Thailand and ever tried to call the uk tax office, you will on hold for 2 hours, costing approximately £200 before anyone even answers.

 

Talked to a tech a few times.

no problem from Thailand using skype

 

[nigelforbes]

52 minutes ago, Terry2905 said:

I never went to the UK. 

 

I was working in Oman on a tax free salary. 

 

But the UK tax office have taxed me for my salary, because I was not resident in Oman for the whole period of 2020 to 2021 tax year.

 

Even though I was still non resident in the UK for tax purposes, they have taxed my income when working in Oman during 2020 to 2021, even though I lost my job in January 2021.

In which case you shouldn't have a problem. If you weren't uk resident for tax, your earnings in Oman don't count.....explain that to the revenue.

[quake]

2 minutes ago, nigelforbes said:

In which case you shouldn't have a problem. If you weren't uk resident for tax, your earnings in Oman don't count.....explain that to the revenue.

Not sure, but if he had his salary paid into a uk high street bank

maybe that is arising income.

I m not sure on this one.

 

Edited March 4, 2023 by quake

[norfolkandchance]

Who where you employed by in Oman. Private or UK government contract.

 

 

 

[nigelforbes]

3 minutes ago, quake said:

Not sure, but if he had his salary paid into a uk high street bank

maybe that is arising income.

I m not sure on this one.

 

Arising refers to the source of funds, even then, his number of uk days takes precedent.

[quake]

3 minutes ago, nigelforbes said:

Arising refers to the source of funds, even then, his number of uk days takes precedent.

ok.

so his ok on that one if non resident

 

Ps what about if the company he worked for has a place of business in the uk ?

 

 

 

Edited March 4, 2023 by quake

[scubascuba3]

Maybe get an accountant here to help to mitigate the stress. You don't want it hanging over you like a dark cloud so get it sorted ASAP

[Mac Mickmanus]

37 minutes ago, Terry2905 said:

No.

 

I followed the rules. 

 

I had to declare income received from renting property when working overseas. 

 

But when I lost my job and did not receive my self assessment forms, nor the penalty notices, because I had no forwarding address here in Thailand, I couldn't file my returns. 

 

My situation is very simple. 

 

I know that I had to  file my self assessment tax returns, but I had no way of doing that!

 

And now I find that I being penalised over £7,000 for something that was out of my control. 

 

If you are in Thailand and ever tried to call the uk tax office, you will on hold for 2 hours, costing approximately £200 before anyone even answers.

 

 

You can appeal against the fine . 

I know a tax agent in the U.K who can appeal against the fine and he charges 10 % of the fine and he's quite good at making appeals .

   P.M me if you want his contact details  

[hotandsticky]

4 hours ago, norfolkandchance said:

Get Skype account. Put some credit on. Then it costs pennies for phone calls. I put £8 on last Sept still have £6 credit.

Or a CAT Telecom virtual card.....costs me about 30 Baht for a 40 minutes call 

[nigelforbes]

17 minutes ago, quake said:

ok.

so his ok on that one if non resident

 

Ps what about if the company he worked for has a place of business in the uk ?

 

 

 

That should not make any difference, days in the UK is the key.

[quake]

5 minutes ago, nigelforbes said:

That should not make any difference, days in the UK is the key.

ok. 

[Mac Mickmanus]

34 minutes ago, nigelforbes said:

In which case you shouldn't have a problem. If you weren't uk resident for tax, your earnings in Oman don't count.....explain that to the revenue.

He would  still have to submit a self assessment tax return, even if he never worked or lived in the U.K for the whole year .

   He is being fined for not submitting a tax return , rather than being fined for non payment of tax

[nigelforbes]

2 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

He would  still have to submit a self assessment tax return, even if he never worked or lived in the U.K for the whole year .

   He is being fined for not submitting a tax return , rather than being fined for non payment of tax

Sure, but that fine e is not going to be the 7k he mentioned 

[Mac Mickmanus]

1 minute ago, nigelforbes said:

Sure, but that fine e is not going to be the 7k he mentioned 

It most probably is the fine for not filling in a tax return .

Its a 100 Pound fine  for filling a late return and then a 10 Pound per day fine after that  and over two years , that would be 7 K

   He will still be getting a 10 Pound a day fine and that will continue until he submits his tax return 

[nigelforbes]

1 minute ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

It most probably is the fine for not filling in a tax return .

Its a 100 Pound fine  for filling a late return and then a 10 Pound per day fine after that  and over two years , that would be 7 K

   He will still be getting a 10 Pound a day fine and that will continue until he submits his tax return 

WOW, ten pounds a day, like double WOW.