Mac Mickmanus Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 12 minutes ago, placeholder said: I agree. Would that the Tories did. LOL yes, the Tories should arrange for more doctors to be trained ???? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placeholder Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 13 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said: LOL yes, the Tories should arrange for more doctors to be trained ???? It is a funny thought given that for most of their time in office they would rather have returned that money to the wealthy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Mickmanus Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 4 minutes ago, placeholder said: It is a funny thought given that for most of their time in office they would rather have returned that money to the wealthy. As the usual old stereotypical rhetoric keeps being stated . The Tory U.K Government has given many Billions of Pounds to poorer people during Covid and they've highly taxed the utility companies and given that money to the consumers 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3NUMBAS Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 john terry was mentioned as a replacement for big head Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3NUMBAS Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 gary lives in wealthy richmond on thames where they never see an assy seeker and there are no camps and never will be ,so he never sees a seeker in his life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josephbloggs Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 25 minutes ago, 3NUMBAS said: gary lives in wealthy richmond on thames where they never see an assy seeker and there are no camps and never will be ,so he never sees a seeker in his life Apart from the two he took into his home, obviously. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placeholder Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 45 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said: As the usual old stereotypical rhetoric keeps being stated . The Tory U.K Government has given many Billions of Pounds to poorer people during Covid and they've highly taxed the utility companies and given that money to the consumers What about pre-covid? What about the years of cutting back on the NHS will lowering taxes on the wealthy? And I would point out that the energy program in absolute terms benefited a Kensington billionaire with a heated pool in his mansion much more than a poor pensioner huddled in whatever it is that poor pensioners huddle in. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Mickmanus Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 2 hours ago, placeholder said: And I would point out that the energy program in absolute terms benefited a Kensington billionaire with a heated pool in his mansion much more than a poor pensioner huddled in whatever it is that poor pensioners huddle in. Those are the two extreme ends of the spectrum , very few people are either rich billionaires or freezing pensioners . The general population were given money by the Tories to help with the cost of living crisis . Money was taken from the rich shareholders and given to the consumers by the Tories 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted March 17, 2023 Author Share Posted March 17, 2023 Off-topic, troll posts, baiting and bickering posts and replies have been removed. Continue and face a suspension. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted March 18, 2023 Share Posted March 18, 2023 Well none of this has blunted Gary Lineker’s marketing value. Blunnies are flying off the shelves: https://www.theguardian.com/fashion/2023/mar/17/blundstones-on-the-march-gary-linekers-boots-catch-the-eye-once-again Well done Gary. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James105 Posted March 18, 2023 Share Posted March 18, 2023 14 hours ago, placeholder said: And I would point out that the energy program in absolute terms benefited a Kensington billionaire with a heated pool in his mansion much more than a poor pensioner huddled in whatever it is that poor pensioners huddle in. I think what you are referring to is regressive taxes or benefits. Just like the TV licence in fact that helps to fund the multi millionaire Lineker's salary which costs the billionaire the exact same as it does that poor pensioner who cannot afford to heat their home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted March 18, 2023 Share Posted March 18, 2023 (edited) 29 minutes ago, James105 said: I think what you are referring to is regressive taxes or benefits. Just like the TV licence in fact that helps to fund the multi millionaire Lineker's salary which costs the billionaire the exact same as it does that poor pensioner who cannot afford to heat their home. Pensioners in receipt of income support (that’s poor pensioners) get a free TV license. It was the Tories that cut free TV licenses for pensioners, despite numbers of Tory MOs claiming their TV license on expenses. Edited March 18, 2023 by Chomper Higgot 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placeholder Posted March 18, 2023 Share Posted March 18, 2023 7 minutes ago, James105 said: I think what you are referring to is regressive taxes or benefits. Just like the TV licence in fact that helps to fund the multi millionaire Lineker's salary which costs the billionaire the exact same as it does that poor pensioner who cannot afford to heat their home. Has anyone ever died or had their health impaired because they didn't have TV service? And for what it's worth, which is not much, there actually are discounts and even free service available to some pensioners. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placeholder Posted March 18, 2023 Share Posted March 18, 2023 12 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said: Those are the two extreme ends of the spectrum , very few people are either rich billionaires or freezing pensioners . The general population were given money by the Tories to help with the cost of living crisis . Money was taken from the rich shareholders and given to the consumers by the Tories Very few? Are you claiming that the numbers of poor pensioners and billionaires are equal? "There are two million pensioners living in poverty in the UK - a figure that has risen sharply over the past year. A report published this month by the Centre for Ageing Better found there were 200,000 more poor pensioners in 2021. That means nearly one in five now fall below the official poverty threshold."https://www.itv.com/news/granada/2022-03-24/why-is-pensioner-poverty-on-the-rise Are there really 2 million billionaires in the UK? And does the population of the poor in the UK consist only of pensioners? "How many people are in poverty? Around one in six people in the UK are in relative low income before housing costs (BHC), rising to around one in five once we account for housing costs (AHC)."https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn07096/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted March 18, 2023 Share Posted March 18, 2023 5 minutes ago, placeholder said: Has anyone ever died or had their health impaired because they didn't have TV service? And for what it's worth, which is not much, there actually are discounts and even free service available to some pensioners. Recognize faux outrage when you see it. This Government removed almost all free TV licenses and transferred funding of those that remain available to the BBC. There was no outrage from the rightwing when pensioners were stripped of free TV licenses. The Government’s aim is to defund and privatize the BBC. Much better in the hands of Murdoch, Viscounts Rothermere or such right wing controllers of the media. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Mickmanus Posted March 18, 2023 Share Posted March 18, 2023 4 minutes ago, placeholder said: Very few? Are you claiming that the numbers of poor pensioners and billionaires are equal? That wasn't what I was saying . What I meant was that millionaires and poor pensioners make up a tiny minority of the population as a whole Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placeholder Posted March 18, 2023 Share Posted March 18, 2023 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said: That wasn't what I was saying . What I meant was that millionaires and poor pensioners make up a tiny minority of the population as a whole Not only is putting them in the same basket misleading, but isn't addressing only the issue of poor pensioners as opposed to al the poor also misleading? Poor pensioners constitute only 15% of those living in poverty. Edited March 18, 2023 by placeholder 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Mickmanus Posted March 18, 2023 Share Posted March 18, 2023 9 minutes ago, placeholder said: Not only is putting them in the same basket misleading, but isn't addressing only the issue of poor pensioners as opposed to al the poor also misleading. Poor pensioners constitute only 15% of those living in poverty. Yeah, living in poverty is classified as receiving less that 27 000 Pounds per year for a single person in London Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James105 Posted March 18, 2023 Share Posted March 18, 2023 2 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said: Pensioners in receipt of income support (that’s poor pensioners) get a free TV license. It was the Tories that cut free TV licenses for pensioners, despite numbers of Tory MOs claiming their TV license on expenses. That only applies to those over 75 and on pension credit, so excludes poor pensioners under 75 and any who do not qualify for pension credit, and it's not just pensioners that are poor that struggle to pay for their heating bills. All these people are charged the exact same amount as the billionaires which helps to fund multi-millionaire Lineker's salary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James105 Posted March 18, 2023 Share Posted March 18, 2023 2 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said: Recognize faux outrage when you see it. This Government removed almost all free TV licenses and transferred funding of those that remain available to the BBC. There was no outrage from the rightwing when pensioners were stripped of free TV licenses. The Government’s aim is to defund and privatize the BBC. Much better in the hands of Murdoch, Viscounts Rothermere or such right wing controllers of the media. Of course there was no outrage as the BBC agreed to continue to provide it for "free" as part of an agreement they signed with the government - they reneged on this. https://www.theguardian.com/media/2015/jul/06/bbc-pay-cost-free-tv-licences-over-75s-fee-deal The BBC should be cutting back on services, excessive salaries and stop trying to compete with commercial channels if they do not have enough money. There is no need for it to be so bloated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted March 18, 2023 Share Posted March 18, 2023 2 hours ago, James105 said: Of course there was no outrage as the BBC agreed to continue to provide it for "free" as part of an agreement they signed with the government - they reneged on this. https://www.theguardian.com/media/2015/jul/06/bbc-pay-cost-free-tv-licences-over-75s-fee-deal The BBC should be cutting back on services, excessive salaries and stop trying to compete with commercial channels if they do not have enough money. There is no need for it to be so bloated. I’m sure Murdoch agrees with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youreavinalaff Posted March 18, 2023 Share Posted March 18, 2023 5 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said: Recognize faux outrage when you see it. This Government removed almost all free TV licenses and transferred funding of those that remain available to the BBC. There was no outrage from the rightwing when pensioners were stripped of free TV licenses. The Government’s aim is to defund and privatize the BBC. Much better in the hands of Murdoch, Viscounts Rothermere or such right wing controllers of the media. Does anyone really buy a TV license anymore? A TV licence is only required for using iPlayer and watching live TV. BBC doesn't have much to offer, what it does have is widely available a short time after broadcasting, and most other channels have catch up. Sports channels can easily be streamed as can movies. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brewsterbudgen Posted March 18, 2023 Share Posted March 18, 2023 Anyway, back on topic, it will be good to see Gary and the gang back in the MOTD studio this weekend. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placeholder Posted March 18, 2023 Share Posted March 18, 2023 6 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said: Yeah, living in poverty is classified as receiving less that 27 000 Pounds per year for a single person in London Making stuff up much? https://www.trustforlondon.org.uk/data/poverty-thresholds/ Let me do the math for you: 52 x276= 14352 And that's for the sector of London where living costs are highest. In fact the poverty level for a couple living in the most expensive area of London falls well below the figure you claim: 19708 is the correct figure. Even if you factor in inflation, the number come nowhere near the one that you claimed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youreavinalaff Posted March 18, 2023 Share Posted March 18, 2023 4 minutes ago, placeholder said: Making stuff up much? https://www.trustforlondon.org.uk/data/poverty-thresholds/ Let me do the math for you: 52 x276= 14352 And that's for the sector of London where living costs are highest. In fact the poverty level for a couple living in the most expensive area of London falls well below the figure you claim: 19708 is the correct figure. Even if you factor in inflation, the number come nowhere near the one that you claimed. Your figures are after housing costs. Mac didn't state that. Let's see if he comes back to confirm either way. Your figures, in comparison to his, are inane until he does. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youreavinalaff Posted March 18, 2023 Share Posted March 18, 2023 28 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said: Anyway, back on topic, it will be good to see Gary and the gang back in the MOTD studio this weekend. To be honest, the lack of commentary during the games was weird. However, I didn't miss the post match punditry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Mickmanus Posted March 18, 2023 Share Posted March 18, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, youreavinalaff said: Your figures are after housing costs. Mac didn't state that. Let's see if he comes back to confirm either way. Your figures, in comparison to his, are inane until he does. The U.K Government states that any household earning less than 60 % of the median average is considered to be living in poverty The average wage in London is about 48 000 Pounds , so 60 % of 48 000 Pounds would be about 27 000 Pounds, which would be living in poverty according to the U.K Gov Edited March 18, 2023 by Mac Mickmanus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youreavinalaff Posted March 18, 2023 Share Posted March 18, 2023 12 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said: The U.K Government states that any household earning less than 60 % of the median average is considered to be living in poverty The average wage in London is about 48 000 Pounds , so 60 % of 48 000 Pounds would be about 27 000 Pounds, which would be living in poverty according to the U.K Gov So, your figures are gross salary prior to factoring housing costs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted March 18, 2023 Share Posted March 18, 2023 (edited) 26 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said: The U.K Government states that any household earning less than 60 % of the median average is considered to be living in poverty The average wage in London is about 48 000 Pounds , so 60 % of 48 000 Pounds would be about 27 000 Pounds, which would be living in poverty according to the U.K Gov You are correct, the Government use 60% of median wage, but London has some extremely high earners that would bias the number high, so perhaps mean is a better number, though I would personally prefer Geometric Mean. And there’s the rub, personal preference. So perhaps the Government’s own measure is better, it is after all the measure upon which Government policy is, or at least should be, based. Edited March 18, 2023 by Chomper Higgot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Mickmanus Posted March 18, 2023 Share Posted March 18, 2023 1 hour ago, placeholder said: Making stuff up much? https://www.trustforlondon.org.uk/data/poverty-thresholds/ Let me do the math for you: 52 x276= 14352 And that's for the sector of London where living costs are highest. In fact the poverty level for a couple living in the most expensive area of London falls well below the figure you claim: 19708 is the correct figure. Even if you factor in inflation, the number come nowhere near the one that you claimed. Your figures are After housing costs (AHC) , my figures where before housing costs "Let me do the math for you: 52 x276= 14352" Now add to that housing costs , rent money, council taxes and utility bills and the figure would be 27 000 at least . Now, please retract the accusation that I was making things up, thanks 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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