7 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Are private Chinese companies America's adversaries? And what's this nonsense about the Biden family? The Biden family didn't receive payments. Biden's son, his brother, and daughter-in-law received payments. There is no evidence that Biden received any payments. You repeatedly  fail to acknowledge that in the laptop emails Hunter Biden reported that his father gave gave an "emphatic no" when asked to participate in dealings with the Chinese. You are being very dishonest.

Mr metadata making accusations about others honesty? Really? You cherry pick one email and use that as an excuse to distance biden from the money making, while steadfastly refusing to tell why these foreigners were paying large sums to the bidens. The slow drip of proof and the slow 180 change in the narrative from the laptop's fake and anyone saying otherwise will be banned from the internet, to OK its real but nothing shows Joe met any associates, to OK Joe met dozens of HB's associates we swore he did not meet, but there is no evidnce of anything illegal to.....? Priceless.

 

To remind, the topic of this thread is HB distributing inexplicable wealth to many biden family members. Why can nobody explain what Halle, James and the other bidens did to earn this money? Clear up the mystery. Simples.

1 hour ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

The bigger issue is dishonest media and tech censors have falsely claimed for 2 years that the laptop is "Russian disinformation" and therefore off limits, leading the left to believe a false narrative for years about how Joe is clean as driven snow, yet now there is a real investigation by Comer people are shocked and caught on the back foot having been able to just say "oh that's been debunked" when it of course had not.

 Linking sources when for years they were all lies(and many of these stories on social media and news are being deleted in a dishonest attempt to get ahead of the story now the GOP are investigating properly) is obviously not helpful.

The dishonest MAGA heads are once again lying about the media.  I don't recall reading anything about the laptop not belonging to Hunter Biden, about Hunter Biden being "clean as driven snow", about the contents of the hard drive being definitely Russian disinformation, etc.  I recall reading about unverified claims and hallmarks of Russian disinformation.

 

I honestly don't know if you are intentionally lying or if you are so far gone that you believe what you post.

 

Feel free to post links supporting your claims and disproving my assessment.  But don't post nonsense about the laptop being verified.  We know its a laptop, it's the contents on the hard drive that are suspect.

1 hour ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

It is alleged - with undeniable proof - the bidens took many millions from America's adversaries. The left guaranteed this did not happen at all. The laptop was fake, Joe is clean. Now we have absolute evidence that monies(that the bidens and their fans frantically denied and censored) WERE paid. So it is almost certain that the biden family did not pay tax on this money that the bidens denied recieving, right? Not paying tax on taxable income is a crime.

Or are you suggesting the bidens DID pay tax on these monies they and their fans said were not received?

You’re in a loop of circular logic.

 

 

1 hour ago, placeholder said:

Are private Chinese companies America's adversaries? And what's this nonsense about the Biden family? The Biden family didn't receive payments. Biden's son, his brother, and daughter-in-law received payments. There is no evidence that Biden received any payments. You repeatedly  fail to acknowledge that in the laptop emails Hunter Biden reported that his father gave gave an "emphatic no" when asked to participate in dealings with the Chinese. You are being very dishonest.

"Are private Chinese companies America's adversaries?"

 

The ones manufacturing MAGA merchandise aren't doing America any favors.

1 hour ago, heybruce said:

The dishonest MAGA heads are once again lying about the media.  I don't recall reading anything about the laptop not belonging to Hunter Biden, about Hunter Biden being "clean as driven snow", about the contents of the hard drive being definitely Russian disinformation, etc.  I recall reading about unverified claims and hallmarks of Russian disinformation.

 

I honestly don't know if you are intentionally lying or if you are so far gone that you believe what you post.

 

Feel free to post links supporting your claims and disproving my assessment. 

aseannow.com/topic/1188329-hunter-biden%E2%80%99s-laptop-is-the-new-pizzagate/&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=th

6 hours ago, candide said:

That's the eternal problem with some MAGA posters. They are told they need to link sources so they quickly link some articles without really reading them.

 

15 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

aseannow.com/topic/1188329-hunter-biden%E2%80%99s-laptop-is-the-new-pizzagate/&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=th

You have just confirmed Candide's post, in a hilarious manner. 

 

Pizzagate refers to a ridiculous MAGA conspiracy that had no basis in fact.  You've just equated your laptop nonsense to it.

2 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Mr metadata making accusations about others honesty? Really? You cherry pick one email and use that as an excuse to distance biden from the money making, while steadfastly refusing to tell why these foreigners were paying large sums to the bidens. The slow drip of proof and the slow 180 change in the narrative from the laptop's fake and anyone saying otherwise will be banned from the internet, to OK its real but nothing shows Joe met any associates, to OK Joe met dozens of HB's associates we swore he did not meet, but there is no evidnce of anything illegal to.....? Priceless.

 

To remind, the topic of this thread is HB distributing inexplicable wealth to many biden family members. Why can nobody explain what Halle, James and the other bidens did to earn this money? Clear up the mystery. Simples.

Even if I agreed that that those foreigners were paying Hunter Biden, James Biden and that daughter-in-law in the hopes of gaining access to Joe Biden, there is no evidence that they succeeded In fact, not only did  the Chinese venture fail, but Ye Jianming, the founder and chairman of CEFC, was jailed by the Chinese Govt in 2018 on charges of bribery where he remains to this day. Is this the person  who Comer accused of being an agent of the Chinese govt.?

Ye was detained and put under investigation in March 2018 on suspicion of economic crimes.^[9] According to South China Morning Post and AsiaNews, the order for the investigation came from Chinese Communist Party general secretary Xi Jinping.^[10][11] Shanghai Guosheng Group, a portfolio and investment agency controlled by the Government of Shanghai, subsequently took control of CEFC China Energy in March 2018.^[12][13] In October 2018, it was reported that prosecutors alleged Wang Sanyun, former Communist Party Secretary of Gansu province, had accepted bribes from Ye Jianming in 2011.^[14]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ye_Jianming

 

Not only that, but Hunter Biden only began to do business with CEFC in 2017, when Joe Biden was no longer vice- president.

 

As for Joe Biden having met with Hunter Biden's business associates.  In 2015 Joe Biden dropped by a dinner  for the World Food Program USA charity that Hunter Biden was holding. Some of Hunter Biden's business associates were there. There were also people there who weren't his associates. No evidence of any substantive discussions took place. It's not even clear that Joe Bide was even introduced to these people..

“I remember the vice president coming in, and he did not go around the table. He just simply waved at everybody,” recalled one attendee, Father Alex Karloutsos of the Greek Orthodox Archdiocese of America. “I did not hear any business exchanges with anybody.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/11/us/politics/hunter-biden-investigations.html

 

Another instance where Joe Biden met Hunter Biden's associates, took place at a rope line in China where 2 of these associates along with other Chinese people shook Biden's hand. Biden was briefly introduced to these 2. Is it unreasonable to assume that he didn't recall such a brief and public encounter?

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/11/us/politics/hunter-biden-investigations.html

 

It's also worthy of noting that when Biden became VP, Hunter Biden gave up his lucrative Washington D.C. lobbying business.

5 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

The bigger issue is dishonest media and tech censors have falsely claimed for 2 years that the laptop is "Russian disinformation" and therefore off limits, leading the left to believe a false narrative for years about how Joe is clean as driven snow, yet now there is a real investigation by Comer people are shocked and caught on the back foot having been able to just say "oh that's been debunked" when it of course had not.

 Linking sources when for years they were all lies(and many of these stories on social media and news are being deleted in a dishonest attempt to get ahead of the story now the GOP are investigating properly) is obviously not helpful.

The Beatles sang a song called all you need is love.

 

What YOU need is, "All you need is proof". 

 

Do you have any real proof of what you wrote?

 

If you do then pleaser post it, and send a copy to whoever is running the witch hunt as they cannot find any.

5 hours ago, placeholder said:

Are private Chinese companies America's adversaries? And what's this nonsense about the Biden family? The Biden family didn't receive payments. Biden's son, his brother, and daughter-in-law received payments. There is no evidence that Biden received any payments. You repeatedly  fail to acknowledge that in the laptop emails Hunter Biden reported that his father gave gave an "emphatic no" when asked to participate in dealings with the Chinese. You are being very dishonest.

Don't panic, Captain Mainwaring!

On 3/19/2023 at 6:59 PM, billd766 said:

Hundreds if you want to search for them, but few from the Guardian or the NY Post.

Ah like most liberals  always deflect when pressured to provide any substantiation for their undocumented assertions. 

7 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

The bigger issue is dishonest media and tech censors have falsely claimed for 2 years that the laptop is "Russian disinformation" and therefore off limits, leading the left to believe a false narrative for years about how Joe is clean as driven snow, yet now there is a real investigation by Comer people are shocked and caught on the back foot having been able to just say "oh that's been debunked" when it of course had not.

 Linking sources when for years they were all lies(and many of these stories on social media and news are being deleted in a dishonest attempt to get ahead of the story now the GOP are investigating properly) is obviously not helpful.

Not two years, one year! And why one year? Because no copy was given before to another media than the NYPost. Complain about it to Giuliani!

 

At this time, it had all the earmarks of a Russian disinformation (Giuliani known for contacts with Russian operatives., copy only given to NYPost, experience of 2016 elections).

 

Anyway, Comer has nothing, as he himself said: “It is unclear what services were provided to obtain this exorbitant amount of money". Only blah, blah! Show the goods or shut up, Comer!

Edited March 21, 20233 yr by candide

2 minutes ago, Longwood50 said:

Ah like most liberals  always deflect when pressured to provide any substantiation for their undocumented assertions. 

It’s evidence of wrong doing that’s missing, and it’s not the ‘liberal’ who need to provide it.

6 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

It’s evidence of wrong doing that’s missing, and it’s not the ‘liberal’ who need to provide it.

It's clear that Joe Biden is guilty...of being Hunter Biden's father and James Biden's brother.

1 minute ago, placeholder said:

It's clear that Joe Biden is guilty...of being Hunter Biden's father and James Biden's brother.

And thrashing Trump in the election.

2 hours ago, placeholder said:

Even if I agreed that that those foreigners were paying Hunter Biden, James Biden and that daughter-in-law in the hopes of gaining access to Joe Biden, there is no evidence that they succeeded In fact, not only did  the Chinese venture fail, but Ye Jianming, the founder and chairman of CEFC, was jailed by the Chinese Govt in 2018 on charges of bribery where he remains to this day. Is this the person  who Comer accused of being an agent of the Chinese govt.?

Ye was detained and put under investigation in March 2018 on suspicion of economic crimes.^[9] According to South China Morning Post and AsiaNews, the order for the investigation came from Chinese Communist Party general secretary Xi Jinping.^[10][11] Shanghai Guosheng Group, a portfolio and investment agency controlled by the Government of Shanghai, subsequently took control of CEFC China Energy in March 2018.^[12][13] In October 2018, it was reported that prosecutors alleged Wang Sanyun, former Communist Party Secretary of Gansu province, had accepted bribes from Ye Jianming in 2011.^[14]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ye_Jianming

 

Not only that, but Hunter Biden only began to do business with CEFC in 2017, when Joe Biden was no longer vice- president.

 

As for Joe Biden having met with Hunter Biden's business associates.  In 2015 Joe Biden dropped by a dinner  for the World Food Program USA charity that Hunter Biden was holding. Some of Hunter Biden's business associates were there. There were also people there who weren't his associates. No evidence of any substantive discussions took place. It's not even clear that Joe Bide was even introduced to these people..

“I remember the vice president coming in, and he did not go around the table. He just simply waved at everybody,” recalled one attendee, Father Alex Karloutsos of the Greek Orthodox Archdiocese of America. “I did not hear any business exchanges with anybody.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/11/us/politics/hunter-biden-investigations.html

 

Another instance where Joe Biden met Hunter Biden's associates, took place at a rope line in China where 2 of these associates along with other Chinese people shook Biden's hand. Biden was briefly introduced to these 2. Is it unreasonable to assume that he didn't recall such a brief and public encounter?

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/11/us/politics/hunter-biden-investigations.html

 

It's also worthy of noting that when Biden became VP, Hunter Biden gave up his lucrative Washington D.C. lobbying business.

Excellent factual post! As you already know, don't expect these facts will be taken into account by this poster.

7 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

It is alleged - with undeniable proof - the bidens took many millions from America's adversaries. The left guaranteed this did not happen at all. The laptop was fake, Joe is clean. Now we have absolute evidence that monies(that the bidens and their fans frantically denied and censored) WERE paid. So it is almost certain that the biden family did not pay tax on this money that the bidens denied recieving, right? Not paying tax on taxable income is a crime.

Or are you suggesting the bidens DID pay tax on these monies they and their fans said were not received?

Which Bidens are you referring to? This is your typical and repeated dishonest trick of trying to lump Joe Biden in with his son and brother.  And while Hunter Biden didn't pay taxes on any of his income for years, there's no evidence revealed that I know of that shows he hid the Chinese money from the IRS. In fact, we do know that Hunter Biden submitted this tax returns without payment. So he reported himself. Do you know that he didn't include the Chinese payments in his returns? Stop making things up.

 If it's not true, maybe the bank should just take it back.

4 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

 If it's not true, maybe the bank should just take it back.

Or maybe, the information provided by the bank is being misrepresented by the Republicans and that renowned purveyor of lies FOX.

 

So let’s keep the information and see what it really says.

 

 

 

 

Edited March 21, 20233 yr by Chomper Higgot

3 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Or maybe, the information provided by the bank is being misrepresented by the Republicans and that renowned purveyor of lies FOX.

 

So let’s keep the information and see what it really says.

David Weiss, the US attorney for Delaware was appointed by Trump in 2017, The Biden adminstration kept him on. He's the person responsible for investigating Hunter Biden. Merrick Garland gave Weiss carte blanche to investigate Hunter Biden and to decide whether or not he should be charged with crimes. So far, no charges forthcoming.

Presidential candiates should pass a forensic banking test to assess their compromisability....along with an IQ and ethics test.

 

There would I guess be no-one to fill the slot of president then in US or probably most leader positions in world.

 

13 minutes ago, freedomnow said:

Presidential candiates should pass a forensic banking test to assess their compromisability....along with an IQ and ethics test.

 

There would I guess be no-one to fill the slot of president then in US or probably most leader positions in world.

 

It could start with making the disclosure of their tax returns mandatory. Of course, I am not targeting anyone! ????

4 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

It’s evidence of wrong doing that’s missing, and it’s not the ‘liberal’ who need to provide it.

I have challenged liberals for decades to back up their words.  They never can and you never have.  They always spout some platitude made up of their preconceived bias.  

It is like the delivery company who says prove you didn't receive the package rather than I have proof it was delivered. 

Facts talk and B.S. walks.  

Edited March 21, 20233 yr by Longwood50

*Deleted post edited out*

 

Of course, It's complex to analyse and what you mention is a good example of how it can be misused.

 

Actually one issue was that Romney did not release 5 years of tax returns as the others did, he released only two years. In particular, the last year was missing. The problem was that he did not initially  release enough tax returns to debunk Reid's claim. (That's how the WaPo article you linked debunks his claim, by looking at the other tax returns).

https://www.abc.net.au/news/specials/us-election-2012/2012-09-22/mitt-romney-reveals-2011-tax-return/4275266

 

Additionally, it seems that Romney has since become a fan of releasing tax returns! ????

https://www.npr.org/2016/05/11/477700943/mitt-romney-trumps-decision-to-not-release-tax-returns-is-disqualifying

 

BTW, which precise "cash" to presidential candidates are you not targeting?

Edited March 21, 20233 yr by Scott

*Deleted post edited out*

 

What you claim to have transpired in discussions over decades is a a little hard to prove, you might say it’s one of those instances of being unable to back up a claim.

 

Far better to be very specific and deal with the allegations being laid in this topic.

 

You don’t have to get distracted by what might or might not have been said over decades, simply state what crimes are alleged in the matter being discussed and present your evidence to back up those allegations.

 

5 hours ago, Longwood50 said:

Ah like most liberals  always deflect when pressured to provide any substantiation for their undocumented assertions. 

I won't say you're like most right wingers because you simply ignore disproofs of your claim. Because I prefer not to take vacuous cheap shots.

7 hours ago, BritManToo said:

 If it's not true, maybe the bank should just take it back.

If it is not true, then the money does not belong to the bank either.

 

So who does it belong to in reality?

On 3/19/2023 at 6:39 PM, billd766 said:

Really?

 

Even more corrupt than the serial lying ex president Trump?

 

 

But-but-but-but Trump? So it's okay then? 

34 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

But-but-but-but Trump? So it's okay then? 

Is what OK?

A post violating Fair Use Policy has been removed.

 

17 hours ago, candide said:

BTW, which precise "cash" to presidential candidates are you not targeting?

This is from the Houses Oversight Committee