Skip to content
View in the app

A better way to browse. Learn more.

Thailand News and Discussion Forum | ASEANNOW

A full-screen app on your home screen with push notifications, badges and more.

To install this app on iOS and iPadOS
  1. Tap the Share icon in Safari
  2. Scroll the menu and tap Add to Home Screen.
  3. Tap Add in the top-right corner.
To install this app on Android
  1. Tap the 3-dot menu (⋮) in the top-right corner of the browser.
  2. Tap Add to Home screen or Install app.
  3. Confirm by tapping Install.

Sacrifice Is For Suckers

Featured Replies

Very sad news about our boys, Kerryd. :D I was wondering lately: if Canada was attacked, would any nation except maybe the US and the UK come to help us?

Canada is a member of the Commonwealth and as such shares some of the most binding treaties that exist.

Err.. you may have forgotten but the last time Canadian soil was invaded by a hostile military force it was by the US.

That worked out worse than Iraq for them :o

Pity you let them take Detroit back; would have done wonders for the Canadian music industry.

  • Replies 54
  • Views 384
  • Created
  • Last Reply

Top Posters In This Topic

BAGHDAD, July 7 (Reuters) - A member of Iraq's parliamentary energy committee quit on Saturday in protest over a draft oil law, which Washington hopes will help ease violence between Iraq's warring Shi'ite and Sunni Arabs.

Usama al-Nujeyfi told a small news conference that the proposal would cede too much control to global companies and "ruin the country's future". He vowed to work to defeat the draft in parliament.

"I announce my resignation and distance myself from delivering this draft before this parliament and I will carry out my obligation to repeal it inside parliament with all fellow nationalists," al-Nujeyfi said.

The draft was passed by the cabinet of Shi'ite Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki on Tuesday and must be debated and agreed by parliament before it can become law.

Washington sees it as a key benchmark of progress in reconciliation and hopes the law will help to stem sectarian violence between minority Sunnis and majority Shi'ites.

Iraq has the world's third largest oil reserves, but most of it lies in the Kurdish north and the Shi'ite south. Sunnis, who live mainly in the middle of the country around Baghdad, fear they will miss out on any windfalls.

But al-Nujeyfi, a Sunni member of the Iraq National List, headed by secular politician and former interim prime minister Iyad Allawi, said the proposal would cede too much to foreign firms eager to rebuild Iraq's oil industry.

"I call on my lawmaker brothers and sisters to confront this law which will ruin the country's future and will be in the interest of large global companies at the expense of Iraqis," he said.

-------------------------------------------------

July 7, 2007 Australia 'has Iraq oil interest'

Australian Defense Minister Brendan Nelson has admitted that securing oil supplies is a key factor behind the presence of Australian troops in Iraq. He said maintaining "resource security" in the Middle East was a priority.

But PM John Howard has played down the comments, saying it was "stretching it a bit" to conclude that Australia's Iraq involvement was motivated by oil.

The remarks are causing heated debate as the U.S.-led Iraq coalition has avoided linking the war and oil.

Australia was involved in the invasion of Iraq in 2003, and has about 1,500 military personnel still deployed in the region.

There are no immediate plans to bring them home.

In comments to the Australian Broadcasting Corporation, Nelson admitted that the supply of oil had influenced Australia's strategic planning in the region.

"Obviously the Middle East itself, not only Iraq but the entire region, is an important supplier of energy, oil in particular, to the rest of the world," he said.

"Australians and all of us need to think what would happen if there were a premature withdrawal from Iraq. "It's in our interests, our security interests, to make sure that we leave the Middle East, and leave Iraq in particular, in a position of sustainable security."

This is thought to be the first time the Australian government has admitted any link between troop deployment in Iraq and securing energy resources.

But Prime Minister John Howard was quick to play down the significance of his defense minister's comments.

"We didn't go there because of oil and we don't remain there because of oil," he told a local radio station.

"A lot of oil comes from the Middle East - we all know that - but the reason we remain there is that we want to give the people of Iraq a possibility of embracing democracy," he added.

Opposition politicians, though, have chastised Howard's government over the comments.

"This government simply makes it up as it goes along on Iraq," Labor leader Kevin Rudd told reporters.

Anti-war protesters say the government's admission proves that the U.S.-led invasion was more of a grab for oil rather than a genuine attempt to uncover weapons of mass destruction.

But ministers in Canberra have brushed aside the criticism, saying they remain committed to helping the U.S. stabilize Iraq and combat terrorism.

They have also stressed that there will be no "premature withdrawal" of Australian forces from the region. (Source: BBC)

-------------------------------------------------

Obstacles pile up for Iraq oil bill

Internal dissent among lawmakers keeps debate from opening on the crucial bill. National leaders urge cooperation.

By Tina Susman, LA Times Staff Writer

July 5, 2007

BAGHDAD — Political infighting blocked lawmakers from opening debate Wednesday on legislation to oversee the oil industry as Iraqi and U.S. leaders used the Fourth of July holiday to call for reconciliation among Iraq's feuding factions.

An influential group of Sunni Muslim clerics, the Assn. of Muslim Scholars, joined the fray surrounding the oil bill Wednesday by issuing a fatwa, or religious edict, forbidding legislators to vote for it.

"Whoever does so will be exposed to God's wrath and will have committed the crime of collaboration with the enemy," said a statement from the group, a fierce opponent of the U.S. occupation.

The developments were an ominous sign for U.S. and Iraqi leaders, who have counted on passage of the legislation to show evidence of political progress before parliament starts a monthlong break July 31. U.S. officials must give Congress a progress report on Iraq in September, leaving little time for the measure to win approval.

Also Wednesday, two U.S. soldiers were killed in Iraq. One died in Nineveh province in the northwest when a helicopter was shot down. A second soldier was injured in the incident. In southern Baghdad another soldier was killed, the military announced, bringing to at least 3,588 the number of U.S. troops killed in the Iraq theater since the American-led invasion of March 2003.

At an Independence Day celebration, Prime Minister Nouri Maliki urged lawmakers to trade the "language of confrontation" for the "language of cooperation," a message to legislators whose squabbling and boycotts of parliament have hobbled the government. Vowing that Iraqis will not "slack off," Maliki said they were "ready to take the steps that will take us to a brighter future."

Maliki joined Iraqi President Jalal Talabani, U.S. Ambassador Ryan Crocker and U.S. Army Gen. David H. Petraeus in addressing hundreds of guests who crowded into a former palace of ex-leader Saddam Hussein inside Baghdad's fortified Green Zone.

Petraeus and Crocker harked back to the early days of America after the signing of the Declaration of Independence and said time showed that there was nothing quick or simple about establishing a democracy in any country.

"It's not easy to stand united. We learned that lesson during our own nation's history, and we are seeing that in Iraq today," Petraeus said.

Crocker echoed the sentiment but also hinted at the disappointing pace of progress so far in Iraq. He recalled his last July 4 here in 2003, after the fall of Hussein, and described the days leading up to it as "those exuberant months after liberation, when all things seemed possible."

President Bush has sent an additional 28,500 U.S. troops to Iraq as part of his plan to stabilize the capital and give Maliki a better environment in which to bring about reform. So far, though, the parliament has proved incapable of overcoming its sectarian rivalries, and none of the legislation considered essential to national reconciliation has been passed into law.

The oil legislation is considered the most important, because of the potential wealth to be derived from the oil industry. The legislation comprises two bills, one of which is a framework to oversee management of the industry. The other, known as the revenue-sharing law, would lay out the mechanisms for distributing oil profits.

The framework was passed by the Cabinet on Tuesday, but various political blocs immediately began objecting to it. Kurdish lawmakers, who just days before had expressed support for the measure, said they had not seen the draft passed Tuesday and could not guarantee their support for it. Sunni Arab legislators have said the bill would open the industry to foreign investors, mainly American oil companies, and deprive Iraqis of their due wealth.

The 44-member main Sunni Arab bloc is boycotting parliament over an unrelated issue. That would make it difficult to give legitimacy to the oil bill even if it were passed.

Without their presence, Kurdish lawmaker Mahmoud Othman said, it was not possible to debate the measure.

The revenue-sharing bill has not yet been passed by the Cabinet.

Pity you let them take Detroit back; would have done wonders for the Canadian music industry.

We do alright as it is. :D

Re: John Kerry and cheap shots... for a guy who talked about equality for gays and claimed to be a liberal, he had no problem pointing out that Cheney's daughter was a lesbian when he thought it would score him points. :o

At least the other side left his family alone.

Very sad news about our boys, Kerryd. :D I was wondering lately: if Canada was attacked, would any nation except maybe the US and the UK come to help us?

Canada is a member of the Commonwealth and as such shares some of the most binding treaties that exist.

Err.. you may have forgotten but the last time Canadian soil was invaded by a hostile military force it was by the US.

That worked out worse than Iraq for them :o

Pity you let them take Detroit back; would have done wonders for the Canadian music industry.

We never had Detroit. :D

Very sad news about our boys, Kerryd. :D I was wondering lately: if Canada was attacked, would any nation except maybe the US and the UK come to help us?

Canada is a member of the Commonwealth and as such shares some of the most binding treaties that exist.

Err.. you may have forgotten but the last time Canadian soil was invaded by a hostile military force it was by the US.

That worked out worse than Iraq for them :o

Pity you let them take Detroit back; would have done wonders for the Canadian music industry.

We never had Detroit. :D

Ahem, Miss Smarty,

Wikopedia....

"British Major General Isaac Brock advanced on Fort Detroit with 1,200 men. Brock sent a fake correspondence and allowed the letter to be captured by the Americans, saying they required only 5,000 Native warriors to capture Detroit. Hull feared the Indians and their threats of torture and scalping. Believing the British had more troops than they did, Hull surrendered at Detroit without a fight on August 16."

What were you up to in history class? :D

Pity you let them take Detroit back; would have done wonders for the Canadian music industry.

We do alright as it is. :D

Re: John Kerry and cheap shots... for a guy who talked about equality for gays and claimed to be a liberal, he had no problem pointing out that Cheney's daughter was a lesbian when he thought it would score him points. :D

At least the other side left his family alone.

Didn't he get a hard time because his wife was too rich or something? :o

Pity you let them take Detroit back; would have done wonders for the Canadian music industry.

We do alright as it is. :D

Re: John Kerry and cheap shots... for a guy who talked about equality for gays and claimed to be a liberal, he had no problem pointing out that Cheney's daughter was a lesbian when he thought it would score him points. :D

At least the other side left his family alone.

Didn't he get a hard time because his wife was too rich or something? :o

A few jokes were made but considering his opponents were loaded it wouldn't be a very good attack plan.

Very sad news about our boys, Kerryd. :o I was wondering lately: if Canada was attacked, would any nation except maybe the US and the UK come to help us?

For those of you with VERY short memories there was a worldwide outpouring of support , sympathy and outrage after the 9/11 attack. I even remember a message from Iran. NATO also invoked the "an attack on one is an attack on all" clause which was unprecedented in such circumstances. I remember very little criticism from any quarter concerning the action in Afghanistan.

It took the unprovoked attack on Iraq by a US administration so sinister in character it makes Richard Nixon , on his worst day , look good to flush all that support down the toilet.

:D

Very sad news about our boys, Kerryd. :o I was wondering lately: if Canada was attacked, would any nation except maybe the US and the UK come to help us?

Do you even think the US would? Most Yanks don't know there is anything north of us.

American high school geography teacher: "What country is north of the United States."

American high school student: "Alaska."

I would laugh if I didn't know it was true.

They put up with it because everyone's making a buck off it and it's all happening somewhere else.. Go back to the day the Iraq War started and pull up a chart of the Standard and Poors 500 or any other global market index. It's been straight up since "shock and awe". Surely you haven't failed to note all the "private security" and "civilian contractors" who post here on TV and work in Iraq and Afghanistan? They're making a great wage on all that suffering.

Forget what the polls say, if the market continues to climb (everyone's in you know), and people could vote for Bush again, they would; despite what the polls say. During Reagans administration I never found one person that admitted to voting for him, yet he won in landslide victories.

Far fetched? I wonder if anyone's done an in-depth analysis of exactly who is profiting from the war in Iraq.

I think if the populace truly was looking for the answer to "who is profiting?", they would find the answer in their bathroom mirror.

Very sad news about our boys, Kerryd. :D I was wondering lately: if Canada was attacked, would any nation except maybe the US and the UK come to help us?

Do you even think the US would? Most Yanks don't know there is anything north of us.

American high school geography teacher: "What country is north of the United States."

American high school student: "Alaska."

I would laugh if I didn't know it was true.

Yes, Americans are all stupid.

Lucky that the few American geniuses there are have ALL migrated to Thailand and are working as English teachers for C.S.I.S language schools with no work permit and posting on Thai Visa with the school computers every day. :o

So Ulysses G...I take it you are still in the US? :o

I think if the populace truly was looking for the answer to "who is profiting?", they would find the answer in their bathroom mirror.

Excuse me for asking an off=topic question , Pooch , but what are you smoking and is it legal ?

Billions of US taxpayers' dollars have been sunk into the "Eyeraq" clusterf*ck and granted a fair percentage of this money has found it's way back into the coffers of "friends of the administration".

Are you suggesting that the people who's son (or daughter) comes home in a box are profitting because they get a free flag ?

Maybe you are one of those folk who don't change channel when the business news comes on.

:o

TAWP Today, 2007-07-08 20:40:17 Post #43

So Ulysses G...I take it you are still in the US?

No, I'm over here for the nightlife like the rest of you. :o

TAWP Today, 2007-07-08 20:40:17 Post #43

So Ulysses G...I take it you are still in the US?

No, I'm over here for the nightlife like the rest of you. :o

I wish...anyone with money that wants to be my sugardaddy in a non-sexual way can PM me. :D

Edit: Added quote

I'll admit to occasionally making a dig against my southern neighbours for their lack of knowledge about things outside their borders, however to suggest that this is a lack of intelligence rather than self absorption would be an error.

Countries suffering from poor intelligence do not produce:

Steam engine

radio

powered flight

rocketry

lunar landings

computers

internet

stealth planes

blues, jazz, rock & roll, bluegrass, rap, c&w

pacific nations, parts of France, Italy, North Africa, and Austria liberated

space shuttle

nuclear fission

hoover dam

sears tower

mass production

aircraft carriers

SETI

long distance telephony

submarines

heart transplants

television

every computer operating system in common use

This list could go on and on......

I think if the populace truly was looking for the answer to "who is profiting?", they would find the answer in their bathroom mirror.
Excuse me for asking an off=topic question , Pooch , but what are you smoking and is it legal ?

Billions of US taxpayers' dollars have been sunk into the "Eyeraq" clusterf*ck and granted a fair percentage of this money has found it's way back into the coffers of "friends of the administration".

Are you suggesting that the people who's son (or daughter) comes home in a box are profitting because they get a free flag ?

Maybe you are one of those folk who don't change channel when the business news comes on.

:o

I don't think lannarebirth is suggesting the above. If I interpret correctly what he's saying then allow me to rephrase, and rather succinctly (and maybe he will or will not agree with my analysis).

My feeling is that in the U.S. (and I think Europe, also) an incredible and inordinate amount of emphasis is placed on money. Most everyone desires not just to have a sufficient amount of dosh with which to reasonably enjoy life but to be rich - filthy rich, obscenely rich. Money is equated with happiness and it is the indicator that your life is a success. Certainly not for all, but for a great many.

And so, you have a society that values money perhaps above all else in life. And the end, the attainment of wealth, then justifies almost any means. For a greater portion of the population the means is debt. Business, particularly big business, has many means available to them. We hear the stories almost daily.

It doesn't matter which side of the fence your sitting on, I think the core values are the same. If Bush and his circle desire more wealth than they could ever hope to practically use then doesn't that desire match the desire of even the most average American?

In conclusion, therefore people need to look at themselves in the mirror and question their own set of values. Until that happens nothing will change. Well, I think it will get worse before it gets better. Nothing like a good crisis serves to force people to finally begin questioning what's upstairs.

That's a very simplified summation. It's my viewpoint because the signs are, to me, apparent everywhere.

I think if the populace truly was looking for the answer to "who is profiting?", they would find the answer in their bathroom mirror.

Excuse me for asking an off=topic question , Pooch , but what are you smoking and is it legal ?

Billions of US taxpayers' dollars have been sunk into the "Eyeraq" clusterf*ck and granted a fair percentage of this money has found it's way back into the coffers of "friends of the administration".

Are you suggesting that the people who's son (or daughter) comes home in a box are profitting because they get a free flag ?

Maybe you are one of those folk who don't change channel when the business news comes on.

:o

What is it with you? Did I run over your dog in a past life or something? You don't say much. but always have some kind of angry rejoinder whenever I say something, and are always offbase. You seem to have something on the ball but prefer games of grabass and gotcha. I don't.

BTW, I don't watch TV.

I think if the populace truly was looking for the answer to "who is profiting?", they would find the answer in their bathroom mirror.
Excuse me for asking an off=topic question , Pooch , but what are you smoking and is it legal ?

Billions of US taxpayers' dollars have been sunk into the "Eyeraq" clusterf*ck and granted a fair percentage of this money has found it's way back into the coffers of "friends of the administration".

Are you suggesting that the people who's son (or daughter) comes home in a box are profitting because they get a free flag ?

Maybe you are one of those folk who don't change channel when the business news comes on.

:o

I don't think lannarebirth is suggesting the above. If I interpret correctly what he's saying then allow me to rephrase, and rather succinctly (and maybe he will or will not agree with my analysis).

My feeling is that in the U.S. (and I think Europe, also) an incredible and inordinate amount of emphasis is placed on money. Most everyone desires not just to have a sufficient amount of dosh with which to reasonably enjoy life but to be rich - filthy rich, obscenely rich. Money is equated with happiness and it is the indicator that your life is a success. Certainly not for all, but for a great many.

And so, you have a society that values money perhaps above all else in life. And the end, the attainment of wealth, then justifies almost any means. For a greater portion of the population the means is debt. Business, particularly big business, has many means available to them. We hear the stories almost daily.

It doesn't matter which side of the fence your sitting on, I think the core values are the same. If Bush and his circle desire more wealth than they could ever hope to practically use then doesn't that desire match the desire of even the most average American?

In conclusion, therefore people need to look at themselves in the mirror and question their own set of values. Until that happens nothing will change. Well, I think it will get worse before it gets better. Nothing like a good crisis serves to force people to finally begin questioning what's upstairs.

That's a very simplified summation. It's my viewpoint because the signs are, to me, apparent everywhere.

My brother! Thank you very much.

Anytime, lannarebirth. I don't suppose this will generate too much discussion, though. :o

In conclusion, therefore people need to look at themselves in the mirror and question their own set of values. Until that happens nothing will change. Well, I think it will get worse before it gets better. Nothing like a good crisis serves to force people to finally begin questioning what's upstairs.

I think that the reality is that the general population are more than capable of judging right from wrong, of realising what is justifiable and worthy.

People can and do protest or try to inititate change, but to little or no avail.

The mass can create change, but the mass needs real leadership for those changes to become apparent.

The world political leadership serves only the interests of itself and of business.

The G8 is a case in point, it is populated by political figures, but is really a general meeting of the 8 richest countries in the world deciding not only the fate of it's own citizens but the population of the entire planet.

As for a good crisis to make people question what is upstairs, I think that the general crises that are happening now on a seemingly daily basis work in favour of those in power and to the detriment of the majority. The fear and hostility that these events create, generated by the political-media establishment, are making people more and more willing to hand over responsibility of judgement and reasoning to those in power.

They gladly take our choice and judgement away in order to maintain their own position and it would seem they don't have the long term interests of us or this planet at the heart of their agenda.

I quite liked the article posted earleir in this thread about the obvious basis for the middle east war, oil.

It is rare to find anything in the mainstream media these days that would challenge the well rehearsed and intricately woven web of illusion that works

against all of us.

If you are just a normal guy trying to think clearly and get on with his life, but feeling you are being trodden on while less worthy types infect and take priority because you've seen it in the news, or a muslim wondering why you can't have all the luxury he sees on TV and being told it is a conspiricy against him and his people, or an impressionable youth of any colour or creed ready to adopt the culture that is pumped into his brain via widescreen, hdtv, dolby 5.1.

Wether we like it or not most, if not all of us, buy in to this in one way or another because it is all we see and all we hear, there is no clear direction out and

it is hard to make an impression in a world where apathy is fostered, rebellion is terror and fear rules us all.

Sure some can change their values and way of life, even if it means rejecting the culture that they are part of, but it is too few and it won't change the bigger picture.

Hahahaha oh well, I've had my rant and though we may be in agreement I'll tell you that I am an anarchist through and through and although that doesn't mean I don't care about peoples well being or the state of human relations or thew planet we live on, I don't give a rats arse for the political systems that do exist and have brought this world down the road to ruin, the wickedly deceitful people who run this world or the sheep that continue to support them, it really is a case of you reap what you sow. On that note I'd just like to point out the Bedlam Forum rules;

Under no circumstances will any non-Thai related political topics/posts be allowed on the forum. The Bearpit is the place for non-Thai political discussion.

:o

Why do Americans put up with it? .... I really don't think the general public's values differ so much from Bush's. Hence, he's a perfect match to lead them.
Even the ads and TV I think are a reflection of society's values. They're only catering to what the masses want. So much of the public buys into it....

Where's the mentality? What are the values? I'm neither surprised that Bush was elected in the first place nor that he's remained in office for eight years.

Is it possible a majority of Americans a reconsidering what they see in the mirror? Or do they still see the same thing and are only looking for a candidate who can fulfill their values successfully?
... politics is in large part a self-serving profession.

Ultimately, though, I think unless mass values change leadership will remain relatively the same.

thanks for interesting points, Tip !

in this regard, let me post here a message I was surprised to receive today in my e-mail, from a person who is not even friend, merely a client, who's somehow added me to his list of friends. or perhaps he felt so excited about the content of this message that he didn't bother much to discriminate to whom he can or can't send such unsolicited mail.

anyway, at first I wanted to rebuke him for sending me ANY things which are not related to our business. but then, curious, have read this message and waws realy amused by it.

therefore I think it is appropriate to post it here. and I think it helps a bit to answer all the questions and address your points quoted above. I think as long as a lot of people in US continue to have this cheerleaders mentality, there won't be even any point to ask your "WHY" question ! :o because although I doubt very much that R. Williams was being serious while saying all these things (if he said them at all, as many don't believe it: http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/r/rob...mspeaceplan.htm http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/williams.asp or see all Google results about this), taking into consideration his recent movie "Man of the year" - I have no doubts that there are a lot of people, like the man who's forwarded it to me, who sincerely and sacredly believe in all these things, or, to be more precise - think that this "Logic" mentioned in the message, is righteous and right !

mind you, this whole text was sent to me in Bold, Underlined and VERY BIG font ! which I didn't dare to display here as it is (as I received it) so that not to annoy readers of this thread. this shows how the sender or person who has started this chain-letter was so much excited about gems of shrewdness and eloquence allegedly expressed by R. Williams.

on second thought, I think I'll not post the whole text of that "Plan" but just a link to it, because it looks like it is identical and it was sent to so many people; also, to keep this post not too big. this is one of the many websites which ahs already posted it, so I guess for some it is nothing new:

Robin Williams' Peace Plan

robinwilliams.jpg

Robin Williams, wearing a shirt that says "I love New York " in Arabic.

(taken from : http://www.residualforces.com/2006/02/ ) although Google Image search for Robin Williams gave plenty other websites with same photo; according to wikipedia, where this photo is used too, it is said was taken in Dec 2003 in Persian Gulf - definetely NOT while delivering this "Peace Plan".

anyway, I think main thing is THE LOGIC of this plan, as the author (whoever he is) praises it.

I would not normally post anything contentious in a thread like this (frankly it is a semi - troll thread) had I not seen the total f*cking nonsense post above.

Let's bring on the clowns eh ?

I remember a cartoon , soon after the invasion , with an American military type proclaiming "Iraq is not another Vietnam". The map on the wall behind him was of Northern Ireland

Actually I consider this clusterf*ck much more serious than Vietnam (and that was serious enough).

Whatever insanity was behind the original invasion the subsequent American handling of the situation has been catastrophic. Maybe they thought they could just destroy the Iraqi military and the local people would just spontaneously create an ideal democratic peaceful state. Don't look at me like that , I am not American and I did not elect these morons.

Every day we see the horror stories from Iraq (4 years after the invasion). 15 killed here , 25 there and on a bad day 100+ by a car bomb. I saw a report that a very high percentage of Iraqis "injured" actually lose limbs.

Four years on and what percentage of Iraqis do not have reliable electricity or even clean drinking water ?

I do not believe these sort of problems existed before the invasion , they are merely a result of American destruction of the Iraqi infrastructure which has never been repaired because funds were siphoned off from the reconstruction budget to cover shortfalls in the security :o:D :D requirements.

Now the Americans are bleating because the Iraqis are "not doing enough" to fix a disaster of American making.

They are upset about the coffins being shipped home and billions being shipped into who-knows-who's pockets.

They want to "withdraw". And when the administration changes they probably will , helicopters from the embassy roof and all. They will leave behind a state in chaos , a "failed state" is the term , which will be far more a threat to the rest of the world than the nasty little dictatorship which preceded it.

Now I would be the first to stress the inherent generosity of the American people. As far as aid to the impoverished parts of the planet America does two things. They promise more than any other nation and , if you follow up , they actually deliver on their promises ( which most European nations don't).

But

Spreading democracy with GIs. Could you PLEASE stop doing this. You bleat about your casualty figures ! Check the collateral damage !

Fortunate Son

Some folks are born made to wave the flag,

Ooh, theyre red, white and blue.

And when the band plays hail to the chief,

Ooh, they point the cannon at you, lord,

It aint me, it aint me, I aint no senators son, son.

It aint me, it aint me; I aint no fortunate one, no,

Yeah!

Some folks are born silver spoon in hand,

Lord, dont they help themselves, oh.

But when the taxman comes to the door,

Lord, the house looks like a rummage sale, yes,

It aint me, it aint me, I aint no millionaires son, no.

It aint me, it aint me; I aint no fortunate one, no.

Some folks inherit star spangled eyes,

Ooh, they send you down to war, lord,

And when you ask them, how much should we give?

Ooh, they only answer more! more! more! yoh,

It aint me, it aint me, I aint no military son, son.

It aint me, it aint me; I aint no fortunate one, one.

It aint me, it aint me, I aint no fortunate one, no no no,

It aint me, it aint me, I aint no fortunate son, no no no,

You could have written that it was written by Credence Clearwater Revival- A gra8t rock band of the late '60's!

Thank You, Thank You Very Much! :o

Create an account or sign in to comment

Recently Browsing 0

  • No registered users viewing this page.

Account

Navigation

Search

Search

Configure browser push notifications

Chrome (Android)
  1. Tap the lock icon next to the address bar.
  2. Tap Permissions → Notifications.
  3. Adjust your preference.
Chrome (Desktop)
  1. Click the padlock icon in the address bar.
  2. Select Site settings.
  3. Find Notifications and adjust your preference.