Nigel Farage: ‘Brexit has failed’

[youreavinalaff]

12 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Ad hominem (again).

I agree. You're going round in circles.

[Scott]

Inflammatory, baiting post reported and removed.  Keep it Civil.  Stay on topic

 

[Mac Mickmanus]

5 hours ago, youreavinalaff said:

555. Yes, I just noticed that too.

U.K supermarkets are huge and have a massive amount of products , like ASDA selling 19 different varieties of fresh tomatoes as well as numerous varieties of tinned tomatoes and tomato sauce and tomato paste  and tomato ketchup.

   Sometimes supermarkets do indeed sell out of produce , only takes a restaurant owner to go into a supermarket and buy all the onions , buy by the sackload and that's it , no more onions until the next truck delivery (which are daily)

   But if you go into a supermarket and they haven't got what you want , then just buy a similar product or just buy something completely different .

   Does it really matter what you have for dinner that night ?

Like, if they don't have carrots, just buy parsnips instead 

   

[Mac Mickmanus]

5 hours ago, dunroaming said:

Raab's seat has always been one of the safest in the country.  True Tory heartland.  The current situation just shows the state of the Conservative Party.  Keep an eye on JRM's "safe" seat as well.  Apparently his constituents are predicting he will be dumped as well.

 

Actually I think that the Tories could yet save the day if they dump the current shower and start negotiating the return to the EU.  If they did that just watch Labour jump on that bandwagon ????

You should send a message to Rishi Sunak :

Dear Rishi, if you would like to win the next election , you should sack all the current M.P's and re-join the E.U and you might get voted in next time  .

   Yours sincerely , a non voter living abroad .

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6 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

You should send a message to Rishi Sunak :

Dear Rishi, if you would like to win the next election , you should sack all the current M.P's and re-join the E.U and you might get voted in next time  .

   Yours sincerely , a non voter living abroad .

I guess when someone has nothing pertinent to say about the issue, instead they take the B.S. route of making it personal.

You've got nothing.

[youreavinalaff]

1 hour ago, placeholder said:

I guess when someone has nothing pertinent to say about the issue, instead they take the B.S. route of making it personal.

You've got nothing.

Exactly right.

 

Your post proves it.

[JonnyF]

Meanwhile, back in reality Brexit Britain's outlook is rosy. 

 

https://news.yahoo.com/imf-says-uk-economy-grow-093137901.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAANJFCyfovZjyQ4stWXqf2wdKH4uHhGHyCGG_A7GmKvdVV7tyZ1NJfheh1LRKWje4O3GYnZVt1FSTmni9DY5quePpgFyv9n7IBRb4NL6K31jR3Fa7etMqaLc4DsSTN2gt9YmzgS6h4RDJExzVZBuRmaYs5FoxMoj4LmbY4Rk6Z0AC

 

 

Farage is correct in some ways, the benefits of Brexit could have been so much better had we negotiated better after the vote. Unfortunately we had traitor Remainers like Thereas May giving up everything to the EU before we'd even started. Many opportunities lost. But even after being sold out by some of our own bitter countrymen, we are better out of the failing corrupt federalist project.

[josephbloggs]

37 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

we are better out of the failing corrupt federalist project.

You want out of the UK???

[candide]

4 hours ago, JonnyF said:

Meanwhile, back in reality Brexit Britain's outlook is rosy. 

 

https://news.yahoo.com/imf-says-uk-economy-grow-093137901.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAANJFCyfovZjyQ4stWXqf2wdKH4uHhGHyCGG_A7GmKvdVV7tyZ1NJfheh1LRKWje4O3GYnZVt1FSTmni9DY5quePpgFyv9n7IBRb4NL6K31jR3Fa7etMqaLc4DsSTN2gt9YmzgS6h4RDJExzVZBuRmaYs5FoxMoj4LmbY4Rk6Z0AC

 

 

Farage is correct in some ways, the benefits of Brexit could have been so much better had we negotiated better after the vote. Unfortunately we had traitor Remainers like Thereas May giving up everything to the EU before we'd even started. Many opportunities lost. But even after being sold out by some of our own bitter countrymen, we are better out of the failing corrupt federalist project.

Barely avoiding recession with a predicted GDP growth of 0.4% is not "rosy". It won't even allow UK to reach pre-pandemic level at the end of 2023.

 

About your second claim, well, It's always the fault of others....

Edited May 25, 2023 by candide

[JonnyF]

19 minutes ago, candide said:

Barely avoiding recession with a predicted GDP growth of 0.4% is not "rosy". It won't even allow UK to reach pre-pandemic level at the end of 2023.

Better than many EU countries. Meaning that leaving the EU is not the cause of low growth, but rather the worldwide economic slowdown caused by Covid lockdowns and the war in Ukraine.

 

Project Fear has been proved to be a lie.

[Chomper Higgot]

49 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Better than many EU countries. Meaning that leaving the EU is not the cause of low growth, but rather the worldwide economic slowdown caused by Covid lockdowns and the war in Ukraine.

 

Project Fear has been proved to be a lie.

So what’s this about ‘Brexit has failed’?

 

And why is the UK the only G7 nation not to have recovered its economy to pre-pandemic levels?

[candide]

57 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Better than many EU countries. Meaning that leaving the EU is not the cause of low growth, but rather the worldwide economic slowdown caused by Covid lockdowns and the war in Ukraine.

 

Project Fear has been proved to be a lie.

When other G7 countries have recovered pre-pandemic level at latest last year and UK still won't reach this level at the end of 2023, it strongly suggests there is a negative impact of Brexit. "Project fear" confirmed so far.

[JonnyF]

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

So what’s this about ‘Brexit has failed’?

Farage wanted the hardest of hard Brexits. Harder than a machete wielding Honey Badger named Hardman McHard. He probably sees ways that we could have distanced ourselves further from the EU and hence sees some missed opportunities. One man's opinion. Interesting to see you and Farage in agreement though. Like 2 peas in a pod. 

 

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

 

And why is the UK the only G7 nation not to have recovered its economy to pre-pandemic levels?

Great point. Except of course, for the inconvenient fact that it HAS recovered to pre-pandemic levels.????

 

https://www.ft.com/content/af5820bf-0af6-4228-8223-4cb79cc5a6d6

 

[JonnyF]

1 minute ago, candide said:

When other G7 countries have recovered pre-pandemic level at latest last year and UK still won't reach this level at the end of 2023, it strongly suggests there is a negative impact of Brexit. "Project fear" confirmed so far.

Ummmmm.

 

https://www.ft.com/content/af5820bf-0af6-4228-8223-4cb79cc5a6d6

[Chomper Higgot]

6 hours ago, JonnyF said:

Meanwhile, back in reality Brexit Britain's outlook is rosy. 

 

https://news.yahoo.com/imf-says-uk-economy-grow-093137901.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAANJFCyfovZjyQ4stWXqf2wdKH4uHhGHyCGG_A7GmKvdVV7tyZ1NJfheh1LRKWje4O3GYnZVt1FSTmni9DY5quePpgFyv9n7IBRb4NL6K31jR3Fa7etMqaLc4DsSTN2gt9YmzgS6h4RDJExzVZBuRmaYs5FoxMoj4LmbY4Rk6Z0AC

 

 

Farage is correct in some ways, the benefits of Brexit could have been so much better had we negotiated better after the vote. Unfortunately we had traitor Remainers like Thereas May giving up everything to the EU before we'd even started. Many opportunities lost. But even after being sold out by some of our own bitter countrymen, we are better out of the failing corrupt federalist project.

Of course, it was the Remainers’ fault.

 

Farage is only right about one thing.

 

Brexit has failed.

[Chomper Higgot]

9 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Farage wanted the hardest of hard Brexits. Harder than a machete wielding Honey Badger named Hardman McHard. He probably sees ways that we could have distanced ourselves further from the EU and hence sees some missed opportunities. One man's opinion. Interesting to see you and Farage in agreement though. Like 2 peas in a pod. 

 

Great point. Except of course, for the inconvenient fact that it HAS recovered to pre-pandemic levels.????

 

https://www.ft.com/content/af5820bf-0af6-4228-8223-4cb79cc5a6d6

 

Your linked article is behind a paywall.

[candide]

11 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Ummmmm.

 

https://www.ft.com/content/af5820bf-0af6-4228-8223-4cb79cc5a6d6

Hmmmm...

The latest 2023 Q1 report by the ONS (released 12 Mai, so more up-to-date data than the article you linked)

 

"The first quarterly estimate of UK real gross domestic product (GDP) shows that the economy increased by 0.1% in Quarter 1 (Jan to Mar) 2023 (Figure 1). This follows growth of 0.1% in the previous quarter. The level of quarterly GDP in Quarter 1 2023 is now 0.5% below its pre-coronavirus (COVID-19) level (Quarter 4 2019)."

https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/grossdomesticproductgdp/bulletins/gdpfirstquarterlyestimateuk/januarytomarch2023

 

[JonnyF]

9 minutes ago, candide said:

Hmmmm...

The latest 2023 Q1 report by the ONS (released 12 Mai, so more up-to-date data than the article you linked)

 

"The first quarterly estimate of UK real gross domestic product (GDP) shows that the economy increased by 0.1% in Quarter 1 (Jan to Mar) 2023 (Figure 1). This follows growth of 0.1% in the previous quarter. The level of quarterly GDP in Quarter 1 2023 is now 0.5% below its pre-coronavirus (COVID-19) level (Quarter 4 2019)."

https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/grossdomesticproductgdp/bulletins/gdpfirstquarterlyestimateuk/januarytomarch2023

 

The figures were revised.

 

 

 

Edited May 25, 2023 by JonnyF

[RayC]

1 hour ago, JonnyF said:

Better than many EU countries. Meaning that leaving the EU is not the cause of low growth, but rather the worldwide economic slowdown caused by Covid lockdowns and the war in Ukraine.

 

Project Fear has been proved to be a lie.

The Office of Budget Responsibility (OBR) disagree

https://obr.uk/forecasts-in-depth/the-economy-forecast/brexit-analysis/#assumptions

[candide]

4 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

The figures were revised.

 

 

 

The ONS report was published on May 12th.

Release date:
12 May 2023

 

Have you noticed this on the FT article?

Valentina Romei in London

 APRIL 13 2023

[youreavinalaff]

2 minutes ago, RayC said:

The Office of Budget Responsibility (OBR) disagree

https://obr.uk/forecasts-in-depth/the-economy-forecast/brexit-analysis/#assumptions

That's a forecast.

 

JohnnyF has been posting up to date figures.

 

IMF made some forecasts about UK in recent months. Look what happened to them.

[JonnyF]

22 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Of course, it was the Remainers’ fault.

 

Farage is only right about one thing.

 

Brexit has failed.

Clutching at straws...

 

What was it Project Fear said? 8% loss in GDP? ???? Yet here we are doing just fine. Predicted to do better than Germany of all countries, the powerhouse of the EU.

 

They were lies, and thankfully 52% of British voters at the referendum ignored them. 

 

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-05-23/imf-upgrades-uk-growth-but-warns-rates-may-need-to-rise-further#xj4y7vzkg

 

 

Dear oh dear. 

[JonnyF]

4 minutes ago, candide said:

The ONS report was published on May 12th.

Release date:
12 May 2023

 

Have you noticed this on the FT article?

Valentina Romei in London

 APRIL 13 2023

You're posting forecasts. I am posting results. 

[RayC]

31 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Farage wanted the hardest of hard Brexits ......  He probably sees ways that we could have distanced ourselves further from the EU and hence sees some missed opportunities.

 

????

 

Once again, one of the problems of Brexit is highlighted: There is no clear vision of what it is.

 

Farage's vision of Brexit is different from Sunak's which is different from Gove's which is different to .... How can it possibly succeed if you don't know what "it" is? 

[Chomper Higgot]

4 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Clutching at straws...

 

What was it Project Fear said? 8% loss in GDP? ???? Yet here we are doing just fine. Predicted to do better than Germany of all countries, the powerhouse of the EU.

 

They were lies, and thankfully 52% of British voters at the referendum ignored them. 

 

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-05-23/imf-upgrades-uk-growth-but-warns-rates-may-need-to-rise-further#xj4y7vzkg

 

 

Dear oh dear. 

The OBR estimates a 4% hit to GDP from Brexit.

 

Not my idea of a success, why even Farage says ‘Brexit has failed’.

 

https://obr.uk/forecasts-in-depth/the-economy-forecast/brexit-analysis/#assumptions

[JonnyF]

1 minute ago, RayC said:

Once again, one of the problems of Brexit is highlighted: There is no clear vision of what it is.

 

Farage's vision of Brexit is different from Sunak's which is different from Gove's which is different to .... How can it possibly succeed if you don't know what "it" is? 

"It" is leaving the EU.

 

We have left.

 

[Chomper Higgot]

2 minutes ago, RayC said:

Once again, one of the problems of Brexit is highlighted: There is no clear vision of what it is.

 

Farage's vision of Brexit is different from Sunak's which is different from Gove's which is different to .... How can it possibly succeed if you don't know what "it" is? 

Farage is very clear on what Brexit is, Brexit is a failure.

[candide]

5 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

You're posting forecasts. I am posting results. 

Can't you read what I posted? According to the latest results (Q3 data released on 12 May, not forecast):

"The level of quarterly GDP in Quarter 1 2023 is now 0.5% below its pre-coronavirus (COVID-19) level"

 

Edited May 25, 2023 by candide

[Will B Good]

2 minutes ago, RayC said:

Once again, one of the problems of Brexit is highlighted: There is no clear vision of what it is.

 

Farage's vision of Brexit is different from Sunak's which is different from Gove's which is different to .... How can it possibly succeed if you don't know what "it" is? 

I know what it is....but I've been banned too many times to say anything.

[JonnyF]

Just now, Chomper Higgot said:

The OBR estimates a 4% hit to GDP from Brexit.

 

Not my idea of a success, why even Farage says ‘Brexit has failed’.

 

https://obr.uk/forecasts-in-depth/the-economy-forecast/brexit-analysis/#assumptions

There you go again. "Estimates". ????

 

I posted the results above.